If you care about Optimus Prime, WHINE LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!!

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:45 pm

Professor Marcus of TFW2005 recently talked with Roberto Orci about Movie Prime's lips. Here's the original post from this thread:

Hello there!

I am a first time poster here and would like to say a quick "Hi" to everyone here on the forums. Instead of a long-winded introduction, let me get straight to the point by addressing a, IMHO, pressing and important matter: Optimus Prime's lips in the movie. I was over at the official movie boards and asked Roberto if there was any progress on the lip issue. Here's my post:

Roberto,

congrats on the positive review! I'm looking very much forward to the film, but one major gripe still remains - Prime's lips. Seems like people are not warming up to those lips, so, do you have any new info on Prime's exposed mouth? Are the lips gonna go or are they going to stay?

This is Roberto's reply:

Workin on it. Complain on every board you can think of if it's important to you.

Well, I took Roberto's advice to heart and I'd ask everyone who's against an Optimus Prime with an exposed mouth to do the same.

The Powers-That-Be themselves seem to be very uncertain and undecided about the lips and I think if we make enough noise we can still turn the tide on this one. I am quite certain that this is one of those cases where we, the fans, can make a difference. So, what are we waiting for? I invite those against the lips, go to every board you can think of and complain about the lips! I think we still have a chance of getting rid of them if me make enough noise!

The image of Optimus Prime is IMHO very iconic and if the movie makers had to get the look one character right, it would have been Optimus Prime. With those lips they, again IMHO, they failed to do exactly that. So, here's my suggestion to all the like-minded people out there who think that Prime should wear his mouthguard all the time, go tell the movie makers that you want exactly that. Make some noise and the design might get changed.

Thank you for reading ...

According to this, if enough people gripe and whine about the lips, they may be removed. If you care about Optimus Prime, let all hell break loose.

My part: *Ahem*...MOVIE PRIME LIPZZ SUX0RZ!! MOVIE PRIME HAZZ KOW LIPZZ!! GRIPE GRIPE WHINE WHINE DRIBBLE DRIBBLE DRIBBLE!!!

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:30 pm

I don't like lips.

I will say right here, I don't like lips. I don't want to see Op have lips in the movie.

And perhaps I will go to other boards where I have accounts and say something to that effect as well.

But the crusading I leave to the young. I'm much too frazzled to be going on these sort of quests. Take the elf, the dwarf, and the hobbit with you. You shall be known as the Fellowship of the Lips.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:16 pm

Ah to 'make a difference'.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:10 pm

Whine whine ditto ditto... drool drool boobies boobies... oh woops I had myself confused with the baby.

Post by **Denyer** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:05 pm

Boobies is a point I can rally around...

The movie? Couldn't really give a damn. It'd be less silly if they stopped trying to recreate robots with organic facial features, but then it'd be less silly if they dropped the ideas that a "magic technology thing" gives life to inanimate appliances, or instantaneous morphing between alt-modes.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:40 am

I would be much more inclined to see the movie multiple times and purchase multiple DVD releases if Prime did not have lips.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:10 am

I just don't get Bay.

All the other bots we know and love actually have lips (Starscream, Jazz, Ironhide, etcc), but they are abandoned, seemingly because it's too difficult to give them facial expressions.

But then the ONE FREAKIN BOT that we all love that doesn't normally have lips, the most iconic Transformer of them all, is given freakin lips???????

I......HATE......PRIME'S....LIPS!

Post by **Best First** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:13 am

i would suggest its becuase he has more of a central role and trying to get him to convey emotion is somehow more important.

agree about the boobies though.

mmmmm.

i have officially stopped caring - i don't like the designs partiulcarly, i don't buy the arguement that they had to go in this direction for 'realism' but i am still going to see the ****ing thing the second it comes out and i am still going to get a semi when some orchestral version of the theme kicks in.

All we can hope is that Don and Spielberg end up spending all the money of cars and strippers and IDW get to make the sequel...

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:06 am

hmmm Prime's boobies? what?!

oh...

yes. right.

FACEPLAT3 NOTT LIPZ!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue May 01, 2007 2:26 pm

Best First wrote:
i have officially stopped caring - i don't like the designs partiulcarly, i don't buy the arguement that they had to go in this direction for 'realism' but i am still going to see the ****ing thing the second it comes out and i am still going to get a semi when some orchestral version of the theme kicks in.

Precisely.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Tue May 01, 2007 2:46 pm

Best First wrote:i would suggest its becuase he has more of a central role and trying to get him to convey emotion is somehow more important.

agree about the boobies though.

mmmmm.

i have officially stopped caring - i don't like the designs partiulcarly, i don't buy the arguement that they had to go in this direction for 'realism' but i am still going to see the ****ing thing the second it comes out and i am still going to get a semi when some orchestral version of the theme kicks in.

All we can hope is that Don and Spielberg end up spending all the money of cars and strippers and IDW get to make the sequel...

Prime had glowing eyes! Those were his emotions in the G1 cartoon. lol And he was a well rounded character here. I mean, he's not going to be crying or spouting poetry or anything.

If there was some sort of international referendum, where when you go to vote, you are given a piece of paper that says "Boobies", and there is a box for yes and a box for no, I would check the box for yes.

About this whole movie thing....

I totally agree with BF that whatever, I'm going to go see it ASAP. IMO, the biggest pain of it is having all my friends know me as the guy who likes TF, and I'm going to have to talk about it endlessly, and explain why they look all weird, and what I thought about it, etc. etc. And I'll probably try to give them an optimistic viewpoint, despite how sucky the movie is, just for the sake of TF. It's just going to be a lot of s*** shoveling. lol

Post by **Best First** » Tue May 01, 2007 3:36 pm

yeah, well put.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed May 02, 2007 12:20 am

This movie does not open until August 4th in Japan. It opens in July in Korea. I am seriously thinking about flying over to Korea so that I don't have to wait until August 4th. The decision will be made based on if Prime has lips through a sizable portion of the movie.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have tickets to see Spider-Man 3 tonight. Later!

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:14 pm

It's been somewhat of mild torture for me as the bits and pieces of this movie slowly get revealed.

Just when I finally swallow the latest bit of news, slowly reclining back in my chair from the shock of new revelations, its "Prime has lips" and I'm jumping out of my chair screaming "PRIME HAS LIPS?? PRIME HAS LIPS!"

Except this time, I'm not really slinking back into my chair muttering to myself in a hushed tone, reasoning deep down that this can somehow still be Transformers. I'm still on my feet screaming "WTF!"

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:52 pm

and, even worse, apparently his web shooters are organic!

you read it here first folks.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:08 pm

Personally wouldn't mind Prime having lips... if they hadn't made everyone else's face look like a gaping hole, a bug or some form of vagina in the name of 'alien realism'.

Swore I wouldn't pay to see the flick thanks to the general awfulness of its co-producer and I stick to it. Doesn't mean I won't catch it though, but I will be surprised if I actually manage to watch it all the way through based on what I know of the script.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:10 pm

Best First wrote:and, even worse, apparently his web shooters are organic!

you read it here first folks.

The change to organic web shooters is a trivial change at best compared to Prime missing his faceplate, Starscream becoming an ape/chicken, Megatron looking like Predator put through a shredder, Bumblebee being a mute, and Frenzy looking like an anorexic General Grievous with Robot Chicken's shredded head on his neck. If Spiderman was wearing a tutu, clown makeup, and a pacifier in his mouth and Mary Jane was a blonde, then you would have a valid comparison.

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:50 pm

prime having a mouth is not a big deal. happened in beast wars.

i didn't draw comparison to the other things you mention, so it seems rather pointless that you mentioned them.

also the spidey thing was a massive deal for some people.

i don't like the designs in most cases (Prime actually seems to be one of the 'truer' ones to me) but its been said hasn't it? Hollywood has decided it knows better and its readily apparent that we are not in a position to do much about it other than accept the knowledge that a better job probably could have been done but it wasn't and this is what we are getting.

I see this as a slightly different kettle of fish to say, Dreamwave, where half the fandom could actively have done something better, no one else is going to make a live action TF movie to show them how it should have been done, so this is it. TFs on the big screen.

Some of us don't like the designs - noted.

Some of us think the plot sounds pretty poor - noted.

So that's that isn't it? Other than making the same points? And trying to sound really angry over something the state of which has actually been clear for ages.

i'm getting to the stage where i am less concerned as to how the movie will turn out and more bothered about being associated with some of the gibbering idiocy it is generating to be honest.

hate to say this, but its only Transformers. I know its a thing we all love deeply, but we have a blinding IDW continiuity, we are getting to see Oppy P on the big screen and **** me there are more important things in the world aren't there?

Not that you can't go on about it if you want i guess, its your right.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:28 pm

Best First wrote:prime having a mouth is not a big deal. happened in beast wars.

That was Optimus Primal. Different character altogether. Optimal Optimus was a mix of the two so the lack of a mouthpiece is because Primal was the one in charge of the body. Cybertron Prime had a mouth, but he had that mouthguard that Primal had, while Movie Prime has neither.

i didn't draw comparison to the other things you mention, so it seems rather pointless that you mentioned them.

also the spidey thing was a massive deal for some people.

I was saying that the few changes made to Spiderman for the movie(organic webshooters, Goblin wearing a suit that looks like a goblin) are few and minor compared to the numerous major changes in the Transformers movie and that comparing the changes in both movies is like comparing a pebble to a stone.

i don't like the designs in most cases (Prime actually seems to be one of the 'truer' ones to me) but its been said hasn't it? Hollywood has decided it knows better and its readily apparent that we are not in a position to do much about it other than accept the knowledge that a better job probably could have been done but it wasn't and this is what we are getting.

I see this as a slightly different kettle of fish to say, Dreamwave, where half the fandom could actively have done something better, no one else is going to make a live action TF movie to show them how it should have been done, so this is it. TFs on the big screen.

Some of us don't like the designs - noted.

Some of us think the plot sounds pretty poor - noted.

So that's that isn't it? Other than making the same points? And trying to sound really angry over something the state of which has actually been clear for ages.

I wasn't trying to sound angry. Just making a point while using creative descriptions to back up my statement.

Also, the reason I made this topic is because we are actually getting a once-in-a-blue-moon chance to influence the movie the slightest bit for the better, not to just gripe. On the factor of Prime's mouth, Orci said that the higher-ups were on the fence about the mouth, and that if everyone gripes enough that they'll possibly lean in our favor.

i'm getting to the stage where i am less concerned as to how the movie will turn out and more bothered about being associated with some of the gibbering idiocy it is generating to be honest.

hate to say this, but its only Transformers. I know its a thing we all love deeply, but we have a blinding IDW continiuity, we are getting to see Oppy P on the big screen and **** me there are more important things in the world aren't there?

Not that you can't go on about it if you want i guess, its your right.

I don't see any gibbering idiots here. Do you?

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:42 pm

anyone ever just feel like giving up the internet?

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:39 pm

Was some of that directed at me, Besty?

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:23 am

not really, no.

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:24 am

not really, no.

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:58 am

Yayy

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:38 pm

Best First wrote:i'm getting to the stage where i am less concerned as to how the movie will turn out and more bothered about being associated with some of the gibbering idiocy it is generating to be honest.

hate to say this, but its only Transformers. I know its a thing we all love deeply, but we have a blinding IDW continiuity, we are getting to see Oppy P on the big screen and **** me there are more important things in the world aren't there?

Not that you can't go on about it if you want i guess, its your right.

And Bingo was his name-o.

Every time I see movie whining I have a terrible urge to be needlessly sarcastic, cruel and argumentative, and this is something I am trying to avoid doing on the intertubes now. I've written loads of posts and just not bothered posting them in the end so many times...it's really not worth the effort, at least until we've all actually you know, seen the film.
Not saying that anyone here is whining, it's just that there is a lot of it about on the net and BF's post struck a chord with me for various reasons, not the least of which is that he's right.

God, I sound like such a suck-up. Um, having a box for a head is stoopid!

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:36 pm

I guess we lost, boys. Orci played us for fools.

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Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:54 pm

Allow me a second to compose myself from the abject shock and surprise which has permeated my being.

BTW, Hot Shot, is there any way you could get your hands on another Alt Optimus besides that one? Or are they already gone from your local shelves?

Post by **Best First** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:57 pm

Hot Shot wrote:I guess we lost, boys. Orci played us for fools.

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er, who's this us exactly?

Anyway - having a box for a head may be stupid but its better than having a monach as a portable telephone you skank monger.

Agree on the cutting down of sarcasm etc on the netherweb, tricky tho isn't it?

Also - Shia Labeof IS Papa Snarl, seriously.

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:42 pm

Shanti418 wrote:Allow me a second to compose myself from the abject shock and surprise which has permeated my being.

BTW, Hot Shot, is there any way you could get your hands on another Alt Optimus besides that one? Or are they already gone from your local shelves?

No, they're all gone. The one I put online is the last of a group I bought at a Walmart that forgot to cancel their 50% off clearance. Funny fact: One Skids was missing the name on his licence plate. I just wish the store had a Mirage.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat May 05, 2007 9:50 pm

TBH the piccy doesn't look half bad- reminds me of Rodimus Prime. Shame they couldn't have done that for the others really.