Stormbringer #4 (SPOILERS)

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:32 am

i get both the intent and the backlash bit (the suit being alive seemed to be implied by the shot of it in the tank and the way it encompassed him) - i just don't quite get where he got enough power to take on avery TF on Cybertron.

in terms of Marvel U analogies i'd be more inclined to go with Venom.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:38 am

Best First wrote:in terms of Marvel U analogies i'd be more inclined to go with Venom.

I get that.

I think it's more half-way between the two... as Thundy created the suit.

Where the power came from... unleashed extra potential within as a side-effect? Maybe it was the intent of the suit to give him that much boom.

Blatant "created a monster" analogue... let down by lack of detail. Maybe it'll be expanded on at a later point? We can hope.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:44 am

Brendocon wrote: Blatant "created a monster" analogue... let down by lack of detail. Maybe it'll be expanded on at a later point? We can hope.

Presumably, if we're ever going to see any other Pretenders in the IDW universe, they're going to have to go over this, surely?

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:51 am

I hateto say this (oh god do i) but its a rather Mickish approach to writing - he's powerful because he is

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:58 am

Oh - forgot a point.

With the whole Venom, Parker and Brock get stronger because the symbiote has its own strength which enhances it.

With the Hulk... the serum only really enhances what Banner's already got.

Was sorta what I was driving at. "Why does TW take so much to defeat when he's only got these extra bits cobbled together?" is roughyl akin to "Why does the Hulk take so much to defeat when he's only really made out of what exists in Banner?"

By no means an explanation obviously... the main issue remains the same... just explaining where I was coming from on the Hulk analogue.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:35 am

maybe.

Was T-Dub messed with as a child?

Probably, with a name like that...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:58 am

Best First wrote:maybe.

Was T-Dub messed with as a child?

Only in the Ang Lee version.

Where he stops dead not because of the triteness of Prime's speech or the firepower, but because he had a flashback of his father and the emotional trauma made him stop with the killing.

After throwing a tank and jumping the Grand Canyon.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:28 am

don't mak em ang lee, you woulnd't like me when i'm ang lee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltT9dMGiFjI

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:37 am

Which would we prefer - an Ang Lee Stormbringer, or a Pat Lee Stormbringer?

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:38 am

A Stewart Lee Stormbringer.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:03 pm

Best First wrote:
Brendocon wrote: Didn't quite get the Earth thing. Shockwave laced multiple planets? Therefore they need to go to Earth? Eh? Eh.
i think... i think Shockers intended to seed multiple planets, but started with Earth, and got mugwumped by the Dino's - so earth is the only source.

I figured that Prime's decision was because Prowl had notifed him of the Earth Infiltration Unit going into Siege Mode unexpectedly. Prime comments "I don't believe in coincidences".

So, other planets may well be seeded, but they are not the immediate threat.

And, as Brend says, the implication is that the suit is 'organic'. I suppose this, and the invulnerability is a nod to the old Pretenders. If the organic material is capable of protecting the wearer from the hostile cosmic radiation, then it could afford proection from weapons as well, perhaps.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:18 pm

hmm, given that i am made of organic material... not entirely convinced on that one.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:21 pm

Best First wrote:hmm, given that i am made of organic material... not entirely convinced on that one.

[clutching at straws]maybe it's more technorganic than organic... [/clutching at straws]

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:24 pm

Best First wrote:hmm, given that i am made of organic material... not entirely convinced on that one.

Well, we know that the part of point of synth skin is to shield from energon radiation (cf BW)... and that it's also to protect from harsh climate conditions (cf Spotlight #1)...

Maybe a byproduct is that it's resistant to the energy blasts produced by TF weaponry? Presuming that said weaponry is primarily energy based...

[/straw]

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:35 pm

so us humes (for example) are immune to TFs guns?
cool! that explains the GiJoe/TF crossovers somewhat then i guess...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:37 pm

Legion wrote:so us humes (for example) are immune to TFs guns?

... was the inference I was hoping I could gloss over.

Though I guess we're talking about synthesised organics, which is of course different... or not...

Post by **Best First** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:41 pm

Legion wrote:so us humes (for example) are immune to TFs guns?
cool! that explains the GiJoe/TF crossovers somewhat then i guess...

LOL

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:31 pm

Best First wrote: and, who exactly, are you implying does? same old ****...

Wha..?

I said "I", AS IN MYSELF, don't think this way.

Who was it is some movie that said "Presumption is the mother of all [composite word including 'f*ck']?"

I'm sure there must be fans who do think that way though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:46 pm

Brendocon wrote:
Legion wrote:so us humes (for example) are immune to TFs guns?
... was the inference I was hoping I could gloss over.

Though I guess we're talking about synthesised organics, which is of course different... or not...

Plastics, Chitin, Keratin, Bone, Rubber, Resin, Styrofoam, Wood, etc.

Some of which would prove immune to electromagnetic (i.e. energy) assault, some wouldn't.

Us humes being included in the latter category.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:57 pm

Best First wrote:I hateto say this (oh god do i) but its a rather Mickish approach to writing - he's powerful because he is

Somewhere Yaya is cackling.

I must say, I really could have still bought the big attack without Prime's speech... a little too much pontification. I can see why Furms stayed away from Prime in Infiltration. But the art was SO good. Even better than Sunstorm, where it was the redeeming factor. Don has gone from simply being Mr. Pinup Man to getting darker and more moody, a la Senior.

The difference between the two in my view is, this story was flawed only in the climax. Sunstorm was hard-to-follow all the way through and the climax was weird.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:28 am

Yaya wrote:

Who was it is some movie that said "Presumption is the mother of all ****?"

I'm sure there must be fans who do think that way though.

Ok, who's alt id are you?

I'm betting its MV again.

no one real could write those two sentances together in one post.

could they?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:32 am

Rebis wrote:
Brendocon wrote:
Legion wrote:so us humes (for example) are immune to TFs guns?
... was the inference I was hoping I could gloss over.

Though I guess we're talking about synthesised organics, which is of course different... or not...
Plastics, Chitin, Keratin, Bone, Rubber, Resin, Styrofoam, Wood, etc.

Some of which would prove immune to electromagnetic (i.e. energy) assault, some wouldn't.

Us humes being included in the latter category.

Rebis = teh god.

Pretender shell = organic material = immune to energy weapons = invulnerability explained.

Awesome! Truth through science.

It's all very Terminator time transport, isn't it?

Now we just need to rationalise the energy supply...

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:19 pm

Yaya wrote: Who was it is some movie that said "Presumption is the mother of all fickups?"

Sorry, but this is killing me. What movie is this from, anyone remember?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:59 pm

Soap: "Oh, you assume do ya? And what do they say about assumption being the brother of all [composite word including 'f*ck'] ups?"
Tom: "It's the mother of all [composite word including 'f*ck'] ups, stupid."

~ Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:37 am

I am Yaya. It's true

Post by **Best First** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:38 am

glad we cleared that up.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:44 pm

So now Yaya is Commander Shockwave, but he really is MV in disguise?

I'm confused...

Back on Pretenders, the shell's organic nature makes it possible to do things unorganic material cannot, like regenerate, multiply, alter it's shape/form.
Just think why the Borg were so keen on being cybernetic AND organic at the same time, both have strenghts and weaknesses.

I wonder if we'll see the other big advantage of Pretender shells in the future, the fact that they can be remote-controlled, essentially doubling a soldier's firepower.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:49 pm

Will be interesting to see what route (if any) the human like shells go... whether they'll be TF size (ala Marvel) or human size (ala Masterforce)...