How can Anyone complain about the movie?

[Tane]

I don't get it.

It seems like the more hardcore a fan is to sometihng, the more they're going to HATE everything that comes out

Upon hearing the news about the transformers movie, I got Excited. REAL excited.

Upon hearing the cast of autobots, I got even MORE excited. All Originals. All from season 1.

I looked at the decepticons, and Saw that Megatron was there, Starscream was there. I'm happy. Starscream is going to keep the same backstabbing relationship with megatron, Iu'm already thinking that This movie is going to be AMAZING.....Pretty much what I've been waiting for ever since I saw the cartoon movie.

I THEN found out that Peter Cullen will be doing Prime's voice, and most likely Ironhide's too.

and Frank Welker (sp?) Is auditioning for the Voice of Megatron, and most likely other decepticons as well.

Now I'm thinking, the Only thing better would to have Starscreams original voice added on. (Which is obviously impossible)

If none of you knew about the movie yet. And This Was the information that you heard, Would Every single one of you NOT be Excited out of your mind? I tihnk that this info is enough to be excited for. I tihnk that some of the people in here are expecting perfection, or are expecting the movie to go the way THEY would make it.

I was really excited to get back into the TF universe, came to transfans for the first time in a couple years, expecting to share in the overall joy that a CGI Transformers movie is finally being made, but what do I find???

I find the majority of you Picking this apart, whining and complaining about everything that isn't your ideal image of what a transformer movie Should be.

It Seems like the most of you are more resentful of the fact that a transformer movie is being made in a different way than you would make, and would rather there be no movie at all.

You hate the script, you hate the designs, you hate so much about this movie, you guys are just ruining this for yourselves.

I've always been a starsceram fan, and Always stuck true to the G1 Universe. And Sure the prototype for Screamer isn't quite what I had in mind, but to ME....that is over shadowed by the fact that they are MAKING A LIVE ACTION/CGI TRANSFORMERS MOVIE, INVOLVING MOSTLY ALL ORIGINAL CHARACTERS!. Sure, Optimus Prime has flames on the side of him, and It looks really stupid. But to ME...that Is overshadowed by the fact that they are MAKING A LIVE ACTION/CGI TRANSFORMERS MOVIE, INVOLVING MOSTLY ALL ORIGINAL CHARACTERS!

A casual fan would think that this would bwe the most exciting news in the Transformers universe to come along in a long long time, but I come here to discover a bunch of ungratful whiney little brats who can't help themselves but to complain about everything they possibly can.

I like you guys. I haven't been here in a while, but I like it here. with taht said, I must conclude with

QUIT YOUR BI#@$&*G AND BE APPRECIATIVE THAT THEY ARE FINALLY MAKING A LIVE ACTION/CGI TRANSFORMERS MOVIE, INVOLVING MOSTLY ALL ORIGINAL CHARACTERS!

AND THAT THEY GOT PETER CULLEN AND FRANK WELKER

[The Last Autobot]

Not news stuff but, lets see:

Upon hearing the cast of autobots, I got even MORE excited. All Originals. All from season 1.

If I name my pets (that I dont have) Optimus, Megatron and Jazz and make a picture you would be excited too? The names are faaaaar from being the issue.

I looked at the decepticons, and Saw that Megatron was there, Starscream was there. I'm happy. Starscream is going to keep the same backstabbing relationship with megatron, Iu'm already thinking that This movie is going to be AMAZING.....Pretty much what I've been waiting for ever since I saw the cartoon movie.

They have the same relationship? Considering how everything is going it will be something like: "SS: I will overthrow you Megatron" "M: Never". They may have it, but im very worried in how it will be handled.

I was really excited to get back into the TF universe, came to transfans for the first time in a couple years, expecting to share in the overall joy that a CGI Transformers movie is finally being made, but what do I find???

The point is that some of us never went out in the first place

I THEN found out that Peter Cullen will be doing Prime's voice, and most likely Ironhide's too.

and Frank Welker (sp?) Is auditioning for the Voice of Megatron, and most likely other decepticons as well.

Well Welker makes the voices of dozens of movie characters, and I think there are dozens who look more like Megatron than the one we have seen so far.

QUIT YOUR BI#@$&*G AND BE APPRECIATIVE THAT THEY ARE FINALLY MAKING A LIVE ACTION/CGI TRANSFORMERS MOVIE, INVOLVING MOSTLY ALL ORIGINAL CHARACTERS!

I personally want, really to be positive. But I think a monkey with a typewriter and a blind would have made a better script and designs.

I think this movie will make -at my eyes- much better the first and second ones.

[Shanti418]

First and Foremost....this is in no way News.

I don't get it.

It seems like the more hardcore a fan is to sometihng, the more they're going to HATE everything that comes out

Upon hearing the news about the transformers movie, I got Excited. REAL excited.

Upon hearing the cast of autobots, I got even MORE excited. All Originals. All from season 1.

I looked at the decepticons, and Saw that Megatron was there, Starscream was there. I'm happy. Starscream is going to keep the same backstabbing relationship with megatron, Iu'm already thinking that This movie is going to be AMAZING.....Pretty much what I've been waiting for ever since I saw the cartoon movie.

I THEN found out that Peter Cullen will be doing Prime's voice, and most likely Ironhide's too.

and Frank Welker (sp?) Is auditioning for the Voice of Megatron, and most likely other decepticons as well.

Now I'm thinking, the Only thing better would to have Starscreams original voice added on. (Which is obviously impossible)

If none of you knew about the movie yet. And This Was the information that you heard, Would Every single one of you NOT be Excited out of your mind? I tihnk that this info is enough to be excited for. I tihnk that some of the people in here are expecting perfection, or are expecting the movie to go the way THEY would make it.

And in this fictional point in time, where we know all these things, but we don't know the director is Michael Bay, we are extremely excited.

I find the majority of you Picking this apart, whining and complaining about everything that isn't your ideal image of what a transformer movie Should be.

It Seems like the most of you are more resentful of the fact that a transformer movie is being made in a different way than you would make, and would rather there be no movie at all.

You hate the script, you hate the designs, you hate so much about this movie, you guys are just ruining this for yourselves.

This site is a comic site. Most people here love the TF comics, because there is characterization there. There is development, there are themes and allegories and all bunches of fun stuff. That's what Transformers could be. And you could still have all the explostions and action and XBox Transformers you wanted. But instead, the movie is getting made into an action movie where the only thing that IS G1 are some of the name and a resemblence in alt mode. There is nothing in the script to suggest anything beyond the most cursory character sketch outside of Megatron and Optimus, who are defined as the "Bad Guy who Hates Freedom and the Good Guy who Always Knows What's Right".

Maybe I AM selfish and old fashioned, but there's something more to Transformers than just slapping on a title and making some CGI robots.

[Tane]

the Main point here, is that They've actually gone out and went ahead with making a TF movie. I think there's more good than bad that comes along with this.

I hope nobody actually expected this to be Exactly like G1 was....I lost that hope during the robots in disguise, armada, energon days. to me, THOSE were disappointing.

I look at this movie as being far more like G1 as the recent "reboots" that have come out lately.

I'm thinking the Starscream design that everybody's seen is going to be altered. That was leaked, what, in may? and everybody complained about it. I think they'll touch it up a bit.

A Transformers movie that Mirrored the G1 universe I just don't think is realistic. After all the reboots we've seen, I just think that some of the 80's models are outdated, and they felt they had to update things a bit.

Again, you guys talk about what the movie "could be" and I DO agree with that. I think just about all of the fan made cgi transforming videos look a lot better than the prototypes I've seen for the movie. But the Fact is, these fans arn't putting up 100 + Million dollars to make a movie for us. Dreamworks IS.

I don't understand that the most hardcore fans wouldn't be thrilled that a project this big is being done for them.

Not news stuff but, lets see

not news, but this was the only place I really saw the movie being discussed

If I name my pets (that I dont have) Optimus, Megatron and Jazz and make a picture you would be excited too?

lol, Actually, I think it'd be cool. Three Cats named Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp would be sweeter though. My buddy gave his fish all swedish hockey players names, and dubbed them the swedish swimming team. thought It was hilarious. (niklas, daniel, henrik, tomas)
So, Yes, I think the names add a lot to the characters

The point is that some of us never went out in the first place

Agreed, part of that was because I went over a year without a computer, and part was, I don't collect the toys, I never got a chance to read the comics, and I don't really like the newer cartoons. There's only so much I can talk about, know only of the cartoon.

Well Welker makes the voices of dozens of movie characters, and I think there are dozens who look more like Megatron than the one we have seen so far.

I don't get it. Are you even complaining about the fact taht they got the Original megatron? I don't think they could have done anything to make you happy.

And in this fictional point in time, where we know all these things, but we don't know the director is Michael Bay, we are extremely excited.

So what you're saying is, They can give you all kinds of good stuff, but you'll jsut sit around and wait for One negative to completely turn on the movie and hate it. For, perhaps the only reason being, you take yourself WAY too seriously as a Transformers fan, and to allow Anybody who's not deeply involved in the TF universe (ie. comic book writers) would be insulting to you as a transformers "insider" Because Micheal Bay hasn't dedicated his life to Transformers, you will not accept him as someone who can provide an entertaining piece of Transformers media to you. You feel that someone that doesn't know the history in all continuities (cartoon, US comic, UK comic, japan, Beast Wars etc.) cannot give the history and depth to a transformers movie. And you refuse to allow a lesser being in the transformers univers (bay) to impress you.

You guys have already written this movie off, months before anyone's even seen it.

This site is a comic site. Most people here love the TF comics, because there is characterization there

I wouldn't say that at all.
I for one have only read a few of the comics, when they had them scaned here on transfans. Other than that, I'm all about the cartoon. and I know there are a bunch of others on here who know only of the cartoon. To say that this is a comic site, alienates a large portion of the community.

Maybe I AM selfish and old fashioned

Yes, you seem to be. And for That reason, it seems that you will not be able to enjoy this movie when it comes out.

the bottom line is this.

I'd rather have all original G1 characters
I'd rather Starscream look less like a monkey
I'd rather it follow more the stories we already know.

But On July 4th 2007, while you guys are being miserable complaining about starscreams arms, or the fact that you can see all of their inner wiring, or that the script should have called for this or that, or "that's not how the comic book said that happened" Or "this is how I would have done that"

I'll be sitting back, eating my popcorn, next to my girlfriend, who's miserable to be there, (cause she thinks liking transformers makes me "such a nerd", in which I reply, yeah, but it got me a hot girlfriend, and you're jsut dating a nerd :P)

I'll Be geeking out when I hear Prime's voice, When I hear Megatron's voice, when I see the jet Megatron turns into (they're hyping it up real good), when I see Starscream, I'm going to enjoy the 20$ I spend that day.

You guys, who are MUCH bigger fans than me, are going to spend the same amount of money, and go home with a head full of complaints and negative thoughts.

Who's the Real winner here?

[spiderfrommars]

First and Foremost....this is in no way News.

Indeed. Moved to G1 (note the new forum title!)

It Seems like the most of you are more resentful of the fact that a transformer movie is being made in a different way than you would make, and would rather there be no movie at all.

A strange statement. I thought it would go without saying that its better to have no movie at all rather than a really crap one.

I'd rather have all original G1 characters
I'd rather Starscream look less like a monkey
I'd rather it follow more the stories we already know.

I feel my concerns are less trivial. All I want is something more than a mindless action movie that has sketchy characterisations for the TFs.

But I do feel not using more traditional designs was a mistake (simply because the originals are by and large more aesthetically pleasing and more recognisable as a brand).

[Best First]

Who's the Real winner here?

The bandwidth fairy?

[Kaylee]

Sorry, I don't buy the 'it's a movie so just shut up and be grateful' attitude. If the movie's anything like the script that's leaked I'd rather they just hadn't bothered- it's adding nothing to my enjoyment or appreciation of the franchise so why should I be in any way enthused about it? I'm sure some people will think it's the bee's knees, personally I couldn't care less since I'm the one who would be watching it, not them.

The points that have been raised, if you bothered to read them, generally fall along the lines of a total lack of character and personality amongst the protagonists, gaping plot holes and a generally rotten concoction for a film. Again, nothing there to be grateful for- especially since the producers of this movie aren't doing it for our gratitude, they're doing it to make megabucks so it's not as if they're going to be out of pocket for my dislike.

[Best First]

i agree with Karl, your point is very similar to those who used to claim 'we should just be grateful' when we were getting turgid comics from DW.

If you don't care about the quality of what you getting and just the fact you are getting it all you are doing is encouraging people to make a crappy product because they know their are people blinkered enough by the brand name to buy it anyway.

Personally i would rather see a franchise that i care about reach towards its full potential as a character based series of war storys framed by a fun and epic sci-fi concept.

I'd also, if i was in charge of re-inventing these characters in a new medium endevour to do my best to not lose the aspects that make them most iconic, and the fact is some of those are visual.

From what you are describing they could just take a Power Rangers movie and re-dub it so that all the charachters have g1 names.

So i'm afraid i have to say your arguement is rather flawed and your rant unneccessary IMO.

[Metal Vendetta]

Who's the Real winner here?

The bandwidth fairy?

Yup, I can't imagine how many words have been written on the internet about this movie so far, but if they were collected in print form they'd fill a good few phone books.

For the record, I've been open-minded about this since the beginning (though Furman as writer and Verhoeven as director would have been the obvious choice for me) and I was keeping positive that the movie won't be a big steaming **** sandwich. But magic glasses and "celtic tattoo" Megatron, Bumblebee commiunicating through the medium of song and XBOX transformers, lots of "wow, aren't the US military great" moments (heh, they can handle TFs but a few Islamic insurgents are kicking their asses) and so on don't inspire confidence.

As fans, we're supposed to be the people who drag their friends to go and see this movie, telling them it will be the best thing ever. I can't see many of us doing that come July 4th, in fact I'll probably download it and watch it at home.

[Brendocon]

in fact I'll probably download it and watch it at home.

Burn me a CD when you're done?

I've deliberately tried to stay as far away from plot details as possible, and flat-out refuse to condemn the movie on the grounds of a script. After all, the script isn't the finished movie. Of course the fact that the man in charge of converting said words into visuals is Michael Bay hardly inspires confidence... but it just means I'll approach it as a by-numbers popcorn action movie, rather than The Sting.

The visuals don't bother me that much. RiD Megatron doesn't look much like the original, but that doesn't make RiD a steaming pile of poo. All it means [as far as I'm concerned] is that they've lost the recognition value to the casual audience. The people who hear the brand name and immediately think of the original line -- rather than about a dozen different continuities, most of which are visually and stylistically distinct from one another -- won't be as inclined to go and see it. Which means it'll probably be a flop more than a bad movie (the Bay thing kinda guarantees the latter).

To me, this movie's no more "G1" than it is Armada. That alone won't make me condemn it, as each series has its own individual merits and shouldn't be disregarded solely for being different.

But yeah - seriously low expectations. Ideally I'd have preferred Joel Silver to Don Murphy, James Cameron to Michael Bay, and an actual scriptwriter over the guys responsible for some of the more "what is actually going on?" episodes of Alias. But we can't have everything.

What we can have is a brand new spanking Transformers franchise, launched by a decidedly dodgy "I, Robot" clone as opposed to a decidedly dodgy Pokemon clone. And seeing as I won't be buying the toys anyway, as I am poor, it's not that different in my eyes to Cybertron.

Wow... that was a lot of writing for a post of utter indifference, wasn't it? I guess the only thing agitating me is that people are getting so agitated about it... you can only watch the cycle of "oh my god no! it's different and therefore evil!... actually it's kinda alright if you take it on its own merits... yeah, I'll accept that as a seperate entity" so many times before you get bored of it.

Only real difference here is that the majority of them are fugly. Ho hum.

And, just to further subvert the issue, I spotted "New Movie Franchise" Megatron in an episode of Angel yesterday:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/ ... 09_001.jpg

[Shanti418]

Agreed, part of that was because I went over a year without a computer, and part was, I don't collect the toys, I never got a chance to read the comics, and I don't really like the newer cartoons. There's only so much I can talk about, know only of the cartoon.

That's great! You know why? Because YOU'RE the casual fan that they want to go see the movie. They're making this movie for you, buddy!

Of course, as you just stated, they could call a steaming pile of poo Starscream and just bury a tape recorder in it that repeats the phrase, "I should be Leader of the Decepticons!" over and over again and you'd die of excitement.

The cartoons, as cool as it was to see the Transformers animated, were 22 minutes of poor plot. If you were to rewatch them now, you'd gain significantly less enjoyment from them because you're all grown up, and they're aimed at little kids. There barely was any continuity and character development, and it mostly (just like the early days of the comic book) was just an excuse for Hasbro to show off their new wares.

I mean seriously....this is not organic webshooters. this is not nipples and crotchpiece on the Batsuit. This is making CGI characters however you want, slapping the right name on it, and expecting everyone to buy it.

If I were to go into a LOTR forum before the trilogy and go, "Hey all of you harcore fans, you should just shut up about them making Legolas into an Irish ninja with a penchant for making fart jokes! The point IS, he's named Legolas, he's an elf, and he uses a bow! QUIT YOUR BITCHING! I mean, I know nothing of LOTR except for having some bedsheets as a kid and having to watch The Hobbit in elementary school, but I know what I'm talking about," I'd be retarded.

I look at this movie as being far more like G1 as the recent "reboots" that have come out lately

How so? Those had G1 Character names. Those had duplicitious, power hungry Starscreams. What was soooo non G1 about Armada/Engeron/Cybertron that this movie somehow captures?

Again, you guys talk about what the movie "could be" and I DO agree with that. I think just about all of the fan made cgi transforming videos look a lot better than the prototypes I've seen for the movie. But the Fact is, these fans arn't putting up 100 + Million dollars to make a movie for us. Dreamworks IS.

See BF's post.

Because Micheal Bay hasn't dedicated his life to Transformers, you will not accept him as someone who can provide an entertaining piece of Transformers media to you

No, I don't accept him as someone who can provide a GOOD piece of Transformers media. And that's based solely on the fact that I carry the burden of having watched Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, Bad Boys II, The Island, etc. All against my will and all completly horrible.

I wouldn't say that at all.
I for one have only read a few of the comics, when they had them scaned here on transfans. Other than that, I'm all about the cartoon. and I know there are a bunch of others on here who know only of the cartoon. To say that this is a comic site, alienates a large portion of the community.

If those people DO exist, they certainly don't post or stand up for the cartoon when people on here bash it.

Who's the Real winner here?

The entertainment industry, because they have convinced you to consumer whatever they produce simply because, "Hey, it SAYS Transformers, and you DID spend millions of dollars, so here's all my money!"

[Brendocon]

I mean seriously....this is not organic webshooters. this is not nipples and crotchpiece on the Batsuit. This is making CGI characters however you want, slapping the right name on it, and expecting everyone to buy it.

Gotta agree with this sentiment. The webshooters were changed as a practicality (much like the spider being genetically modified rather than altered through radiation - more relevance). Changing the physical appearance of the TFs to this degree can't be justified as making them more "realistic." It's a completely superfluous redesign for purely cosmetic ends.

Unless you regard it as an entirely new line, a la BW/Armada/whatever... which bring us nicely to...

I look at this movie as being far more like G1 as the recent "reboots" that have come out lately

How so? Those had G1 Character names. Those had duplicitious, power hungry Starscreams. What was soooo non G1 about Armada/Engeron/Cybertron that this movie somehow captures?

... another point that I can't help but agree with. These "new" Transformers sharing names with the originals is absolutely no different to the slew of recent lines... yet, seemingly in this instance, the new movie will be good, based solely on the name-sharing. Does. Not. Compute.

GuNN not Flying Thing!

If those people DO exist, they certainly don't post or stand up for the cartoon when people on here bash it

Mainly because most of the criticisms levelled against the cartoon here are pretty indefensible... people who can't carry a coherent, rational argument don't tend to stick around here very long... and those who can tend to realise that defending the shortcomings of the cartoon is being on a hiding to nothing, and therefore don't.

[Autobot 420]

I wouldn't say that at all.
I for one have only read a few of the comics, when they had them scaned here on transfans. Other than that, I'm all about the cartoon. and I know there are a bunch of others on here who know only of the cartoon. To say that this is a comic site, alienates a large portion of the community.

If those people DO exist, they certainly don't post or stand up for the cartoon when people on here bash it.

uh I did......I love the G1 show.

[Scraplet]

I wouldn't say that at all.
I for one have only read a few of the comics, when they had them scaned here on transfans. Other than that, I'm all about the cartoon. and I know there are a bunch of others on here who know only of the cartoon. To say that this is a comic site, alienates a large portion of the community.

If those people DO exist, they certainly don't post or stand up for the cartoon when people on here bash it.

uh I did......I love the G1 show.

Burn him!

[Autobot 420]

If those people DO exist, they certainly don't post or stand up for the cartoon when people on here bash it.

uh I did......I love the G1 show.

Burn him!

What's wrong with me liking the G1 show. I love it and watch it often along with Headmasters and Masterforce. the only comics I have read were the dreamwave G1 limited series and have never read the old marvel comics., so I don't really care for them but I don't think people who like the comic are stupid nor are the people who read them. like i said I just don't care.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

OK. what was wrong with the comic Armada?

Now. look at the chracter design, is that seriously what you want? They look TERRIBLE.

If you have to make it "car first-robot second" go freakin talk to the Alternators design team FFS. Real cars that looked believeable in robot mode.

And the story is plain ****. I almost get the feeling Im gonna hear "Thanks Bumblebee. Now we know!" "And knowing is half the battle" at some point in this movie.

[Autobot 420]

OK. what was wrong with the comic Armada?

Now. look at the chracter design, is that seriously what you want? They look TERRIBLE.

If you have to make it "car first-robot second" go freakin talk to the Alternators design team FFS. Real cars that looked believeable in robot mode.

And the story is plain ****. I almost get the feeling Im gonna hear "Thanks Bumblebee. Now we know!" "And knowing is half the battle" at some point in this movie.

I totally agree the alternators designs should have been the way to go with the movie designs (except for Prime as a dodge ram)

[Shanti418]

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.....you've got Binaltech, you've got all these fancy car commercials with transforming cars, you've got all these test shot amateur CGI people making Transformers on the Net..........


And they're just like, "Naaaaah, we'll just make them virtually unreconizable."



And as far as the cartoon points raised by 420.

1. The simple demographics are that the cartoon lovers on this site are in the minority.

2. You should go read the old Marvel comics. Right now.

And Most Importantly.....

3. Watching Headmaster and Masterforce PLUS G1 is a whole different ball of wax than watching just G1.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

my problem is: why not just make a movie based on G1 - its good enough, the fans are happy, everyones happy. what we get isnt transformers. just Mr.Bays ideas.

pointless.

[jboyler]

TF fans have opposed the movie from the very moment it was announced. Just the thought that Hollywood would make a bad movie threw TF fans into fits and preadolescent temper tantrums. Every time any new fact emerged, whether it be producers, directors, cast, robots... Virtually anything at all... it has been met with nothing but wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Most of the movie's detractors are people who decided in advance that they would hate the movie and now are doing everything they can to fulfill that prophecy.

Right now Transfans are acting like petulant two-year olds who decide they hate their dinner before they even try it.

There is no question in my mind why Michael Bay is disregarding the fan's opinions. After listening to people's reactions to the new movie for almost two years now, I would ignore the fans, too. Their attitudes have been so critical and immature that they have lost all credibility.

I have seen nothing, absolutely nothing, that suggests to me that this movie will be anything less than a total success. I look forward to it eagerly.

-J

(How's that for a crappy return to the forum?)

[Optimus Prime Rib]

(How's that for a crappy return to the forum?)

There seems to be a secret little trick to transfans.net.

If you can present something worthwhile, well appreciate it. If you can reasonably argue something, well agree with you.

If you present us with ****. Its going to be called ****.

Hows that for a "if youre gonna be a prick take another break from us"?

[jboyler]

If Transfans would stop acting like children, we wouldn't have this problem.

But hey, whatever you say.

-J

[BB Shockwave]

If Transfans would stop acting like children, we wouldn't have this problem.

But hey, whatever you say.

-J

the fans were HATING the movie from the START?

Jboyler, ever been to Murphy's forum? About a thousand people, all devout TF fans post there... and about 70% of them likes EVERYTHING Murphy comes up with, even if he says "Uh guys, I ate to much and spent my whol afternoon on the toilet" they applaud him and say "Keep up the godo work Mr. Murphy!" and "OMG you are the best producer ever!"

Did we moan and bitch when we heard the movie was gonna made? NO.

Did we moan and bitch when we heard considered dircetors are Spielberg and Zemeckis? NO.

Did we moan and bitch when we heard what the planned Bot/Con roster would be? NO. (cause then, there was no mention of Blackout or any other newcomers).

We DID start moaning and bitching when the guy who wrote Catwoman and The Core was hired to write the script... when Murphy started telling us Ratchet's gonan be a firetruck 'cause he wants it so (stupid 9/11 tribute, I guess). Even when Bay was hired, we didn't spat on him, just became worried.

And time showed us we were right.

So don't say the Fans were negative about this FROM the start... nope. We were hoping, Primus knows, I was still hoping when the script was leaked thinking it was fake, they couldn't mean that seriously. Guess what, they do.


EDIT: just found it on Shortpacked!

[Impactor returns 2.0]

If Transfans would stop acting like children, we wouldn't have this problem.

But hey, whatever you say.

-J

What a stupid thing to say.

No one is acting like a child here, everyone is talking about the movie with well constructed and rounded argument. thats what adults do.

Chucking stupid attacks at us, with no thought what so ever is as daft as this movie looks to be turning out.

Seriously, if you cannot debate or even talk on a grown up level then perhaps this isnt the place for you. you sound very immature.

[Brendocon]

TF fans have opposed the movie from the very moment it was announced. Just the thought that Hollywood would make a bad movie threw TF fans into fits and preadolescent temper tantrums. Every time any new fact emerged, whether it be producers, directors, cast, robots... Virtually anything at all... it has been met with nothing but wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Most of the movie's detractors are people who decided in advance that they would hate the movie and now are doing everything they can to fulfill that prophecy.

Right now Transfans are acting like petulant two-year olds who decide they hate their dinner before they even try it.

There is no question in my mind why Michael Bay is disregarding the fan's opinions. After listening to people's reactions to the new movie for almost two years now, I would ignore the fans, too. Their attitudes have been so critical and immature that they have lost all credibility.

Speaking of the fandom in general, I agree with every single word of that. So if anybody's going to tell him to [composite word including 'f*ck'] off because of that, then you can tell me to leave too.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

TF fans have opposed the movie from the very moment it was announced. Just the thought that Hollywood would make a bad movie threw TF fans into fits and preadolescent temper tantrums. Every time any new fact emerged, whether it be producers, directors, cast, robots... Virtually anything at all... it has been met with nothing but wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Most of the movie's detractors are people who decided in advance that they would hate the movie and now are doing everything they can to fulfill that prophecy.

Right now Transfans are acting like petulant two-year olds who decide they hate their dinner before they even try it.

There is no question in my mind why Michael Bay is disregarding the fan's opinions. After listening to people's reactions to the new movie for almost two years now, I would ignore the fans, too. Their attitudes have been so critical and immature that they have lost all credibility.

Speaking of the fandom in general, I agree with every single word of that. So if anybody's going to tell him to **** off because of that, then you can tell me to leave too.

I honestly took that as "transfans" as in this site. So I back off on my attack a bit.

[spiderfrommars]

Welcome back jboyler!

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Balls - 'Transfans' as ppl are not acting as 2 year olds, they are acting like fans, who know thier content and are un-happy at the direction this film is moving in.
I dont like what I am seeing in regards to megatron etc, I dont like the script ive read, and I dont like the attitude of the directors and producers.

If I had the money to make this film, I could make this film as interesting to the genral public as any other sci-fi film whilst still giving the fans what they want. no-one is acting like 2 year olds, the evidence exists for me not to like it.

I have an opinion, its based on education of content, and my own education in industrial design + media. I dont have to like somthing just because its got transformers written on the title.

[Kaylee]

Personally I see little value in lumping everyone together who has an issue with the movie as being moronic 'fanboys' (most. meaningless. insult. ever.) who will just bitch and moan no matter what. Some people are, believe it or not, capable of stringing more than two coherent ideas together and still have problems with the noises being made by the studio and associated entities.

The idea at the start was that the individuals in charge of this wanted to listen to us, or so I understood. When did the accepted MO suddenly become 'shut up and wait for the movie'? It's a little bit late to make constructive suggestions about its direction *after* it's all filmed, editted, packaged and released. Unless digital film making techniques have improved exponentially in the last 15 minutes.

So yar, ignoring absolutely everyone is probably not a good idea. Ignoring some (possibly large) elements of the fandom is probably a very good idea, but if we could be a little less sledgehammer in how we differentiate these areas instead of 'likesproposedmovie=clever dislikesproposedmovie=moron' we might get a little further.

[sprunkner]

I am a huge Isaac Asimov fan. In the mid-90s, there was a script that Harlan Ellison had written for "I, Robot" that was absolutely amazing. I read it and wrote Warner Brothers and asked them to make that script.

They didn't. They made the film with Will Smith. However, I liked that one, though it wasn't half what the Harlan movie would have been, and it strayed much farther from the source material. But it was well-constructed, with interesting characters and the elements of Asimov's story incorporated to some degree.

But now I ask myself: if I could have the Harlan movie instead, would I miss this one? Of course not. The Ellison version was deep and layered and beautiful. It tried things most movies never go near. Transformers the live movie could be Target: 2006, G2 or the Unicron Saga if it were done right. We're getting something obviously inferior instead. It could turn out all right, if mediocre, like I, Robot did. But if it goes for something less than it could be, hell yes I will complain.[/i]