Fort Max, hero or ***hole?

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:25 pm

Anyone notice when Max is trying to sneak up on Megs on the ark that he really doesnt seem concerned with the safety of Spike? "I just need you for a little longer Spike." What kind of crap is THAT!? I dont think Spike signed up for that when he went back to help ol Max out. And what does Max do? Gets him and Spike blown up, and doesnt even kill Megatron!

Nice work, a-hole.

Post by **Computron** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:31 pm

Max gave Spike ample opportunity to escape.

Besides Spike knew the risks and accepted them when he put on his Headmaster armor.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:31 pm

I think in general Max is an idiot.

He runs away from the war on Cybertron and inadvertantly subjects Nebulos to Decepticon tyranny.

Next he gets Spike on board, which leads the Autobot army to be led by a teenager (lets face it, he spent a lot of time headless which was a fat lot of good). Why not figure out a way to put him back together without needing a headmaster?

Then he gets beaten up by Ratbat.

And he acted like a total ****wit in Time Wars.

After that he got less annoying, but I still cheered on Galvy and G2 Megs.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:23 pm

Optimus Prime would never have sacrificed Spike's life the way Max did, infact, very few autobots would have. kind of contradicts what they stand for really.

Max was a goner before he threw himself into the Ark's energy core, he should have saved spike.

I dont actually care that much about Spike though, he was annoying too!

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:10 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:I think in general Max is an idiot.

He runs away from the war on Cybertron and inadvertantly subjects Nebulos to Decepticon tyranny.

Max fought in cybertron for 4 million freaking years!!! he deserved a time of peace -well Nebulus was a bad choice- but otherwise he couldnt be blamed. Op fought for a few thousands and ended stranded in Earth, when Ratchet died he was all disturbed and he wanted out. Imagine how he would be If he was fighting that heck of a time in Cybertron like Fort.

Post by **snarl** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:48 pm

Hmm, I dont seem to be able to fookin vote.

Would've voted Max as a tool.

He effed enough times, then just when you think he got it right (massacres Galvy) He gets bested by an inferior opponent - in a massive way! G2 Megs wasn't even close!

Kinda reminds me of how Spurs thrashed Chelsea 5-1 in the Worthy semis only to piss it up against Blackburn...

Post by **Computron** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:53 pm

snarl wrote: G2 Megs wasn't even close!

Well to be fair Fort Max had been in a neglected state of decay for a quite a few years.

That and the Galvy at the end of the original run didn't seem to be up to snuff.

Then again did FortMax really kill that Galvy? He kinda threw him in a lake and that was that.

Blacksword · Post by **Blacksword** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:21 pm

Aye, that Galvatron was nutty as fruitcake and had just walked out of starship crash. On a normal day Max would have been confetti. And given what it took to kill the other Galvatron I doubt a dunk in a lake or the ocean (the exact location is hard to tell - depends how far north the crash site was) would finsih him. With all those open wounds the warter might have shorted him out, and after taking all that damage I doubt he'd have much energy to enact repairs.

Post by **snarl** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:28 pm

Not really arguing over whether Maxy killed Galvatron outright or not, fact is that he beat him up bad.

Galvatron is Galvtron. Him being insane I would argue made him a far worse opponent. He would not go down. We've seen him at times bested when fighting based on Skill, most notably by Magnus. However, once he snaps, you're in the absolute ****, he's kicked Magnus and Roddy to pieces after he's found his rage.

Kinda like Old skool Hulk Hogan!

As for being in a crash landing... Lads, he's suffered far worse (Rodimus kicking + Atmospheric re-entry + Galvy, meet pavement > crash landing in a largely intact Ark) and still kicked [composite word including 'f*ck'] out of the combind weight of the Dinobots and a tidy bunch of autobots including Blaster. He only legged it because he prefered not killing his own troops, assuming he was going to go back to the future (where we're going there aren't any roads!) or would rest command of the present cons from Shockers.

Max was **** hot to not beat, but whoop Galvatron. The fact that he bought it so bad V G2 Megs was imo down to Furman abusing his licences as a writer, turning the old variable power levels method on as a means to crank up dramatic tension for Megatron further along the G2 run.

Regardless, it still makes Max look a chump

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:41 am

Erm, you forget one thing.

Galvatron gets his power mainly from Unicron (that's why v1 Galvy built the power siphon to compensate).

Now, when Max battles Galvatron, it's after the destruction of Unicron. I dare say Galvy wasn'T as powerful as in EoE... he defeated Megs, yes, but Megs got in a few punches even though he was seriously screwed mentally.

As for G2 Megs, kidding? Thanks to his new body, he's uber-powerful. Remember how he beat OP around? Plus Megs "took care of his (Max's) dormant form" as he mentioned.

Blacksword · Post by **Blacksword** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:09 pm

Besides it's rather dubious whether Max could take out G1 Megatron. Max is slightly stronger than Scorpy, and Scorpy's on about the same power level as Shockwave, which puts Megatron at about parity with Max. Take that into account and it's absolutely no stretch to have G2 Megs whip Max, whether Max is damaged or not.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:59 pm

Blacksword wrote:Besides it's rather dubious whether Max could take out G1 Megatron. Max is slightly stronger than Scorpy, and Scorpy's on about the same power level as Shockwave, which puts Megatron at about parity with Max. Take that into account and it's absolutely no stretch to have G2 Megs whip Max, whether Max is damaged or not.

Good reasoning, but as we saw in G2, even Bumblebee would have defeated Jhiaxus if Furman wanted the story went that way. And also considerate that physical strenght is not the only thing that can resolve battles.

BlackZarak · Post by **BlackZarak** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:58 pm

I find it interesting that Galvatron was disposed of in the same manner that he was in the Headmasters series: lost in Arctic ice; put there by Headmasters.

Of course, he later came back as Super Megatron when Dark Nova freed him from the Ice.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:20 am

Hmm, coincidence? I hardly think Furman watched the series, he didn'T even watch the US toon. Primus works in mysterious ways...

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