What DON'T you know?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:39 pm

What aspects of the TF franchise do you know the least about?

For me its probably the Japanese cartoons, though I will start looking into these shortly. I'm also not much of a toy enthusiast - my collection is quite average.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:38 pm

I'm kinda hazy on Armada > Cybertron cartoons, though I've been watching some of the Galaxy Force subs. Some of the more obscure Japanese toys, I suppose.

Quite into the European-only/end of G1/start of G2/later released as Machine Wars stuff at the moment...Thunderclash, Pyro, Clench and especially the Predators are tragically under-explored characters. I love the way the Predators all have a certain "look" as well as shared colours, implying they may be a different breed or race of Decepticons. Maybe Furman will get to do something with them someday.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:38 pm

Same as you probably, my knowledge of the Japanese only stuff (toys and cartoons) is very limited, tis definitely my weak spot.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:39 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:I love the way the Predators all have a certain "look" as well as shared colours, implying they may be a different breed or race of Decepticons. Maybe Furman will get to do something with them someday.

The originators of the later "Predacon" faction maybe?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:55 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Quite into the European-only/end of G1/start of G2/later released as Machine Wars stuff at the moment....

I dabbled quite a bit at the time (there wasn't a comic then). I picked up a few Axelerators and (I think) Predators (or whatever the 'con jets were - Tornado was one). I found a lot of those toys weren't very durable and broke easily but looked cool.

Apparently Clench was to be a 'con leader? Furman would have certainly explored further if the G2 comic didn't get axed.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:30 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Apparently Clench was to be a 'con leader? Furman would have certainly explored further if the G2 comic didn't get axed.

According to his techspec, yeah, Clench > j00.

My weakspot is the current stuff. Cybertron, Energon... Armada and RiD to a lesser degree. Still not got round to watching Victory. Huge blindspot for a lot of the Gen 2 toys, too.

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:24 pm

Anything that doesn't really interest me. There are excellent resources, I can blag some things and have picked up others through osmosis, but I'm largely Old Stuff. Stories and implications rather than detail.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:41 pm

anything non G1/G2... Ive never really connected with the other stuff. I mean im aware of whos who etc... but I dont really know any stories

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:53 pm

I've only read a handful of the British comics, and I haven't read more than one or two of the earlier Marvel comics. The issues leading up to and following the 'Matrix Quest' I know in and out, but very little before that.

I know nothing about the Japanese cartoons.

Weird as it sounds, I never got into Beast Wars. When it first aired, all I could think was "Transformers aren't supposed to be animals!" Now I see the error of my ways, but I'm still too much of a G1 fan to bother going back.

So basically everything I know about BW/BM comes from the TF encyclopedias.

-J

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:30 pm

yeah i know next to nothing about energon/cybertron etc, but as spidey had posted this in the g1/g2 forum, i guessed we weren't talking about those

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:53 pm

I know everything about nothing, and not a lot about that...

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:35 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:I know everything about nothing, and not a lot about that...

And if you know someone who knows what he knows...

Post by **Denyer** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:53 pm

... something something something ...

Meow!

Yeah, okay, it's "Then you must know Henry's Cat..."

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:44 pm

if i knew what i didnt know then i would already know what i didnt know because i knew what i dont know which means that what i dont know, i know already

or something >____>

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:17 pm

Has to be RID. I couldn't bear to watch more then 2 episodes, which I immedtaitly deleted afterwards...

Spidy, Furman mentioned in an old interview (from DW era) that he wanted to do some stuff with the Obliterators (Clench and Pyro) in TWW. Would have been cool as I quite like these guys... Btw I just bought my last Predator jet, Falcon, last week (for 2,5$ no less...

). I think, in time, we would have seen them too in TWW just like we did see the Turbomasters.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:38 pm

Josh wrote:if i knew what i didnt know then i would already know what i didnt know because i knew what i dont know which means that what i dont know, i know already

or something >____>

But, as we know, there are known knowns - there are things we know we know. We also know that there are known unknowns - that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

So which category of unknowns are your unknowns in?

Post by **Best First** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:07 pm

Don't know much about:

Japanese cartoons
Beast Machines
RID
Armada cartoon
Energon Cartoon
Cybertron Cartoon
Cybetron Toys

of the above i only really care about finding out about Beast Machines.

For those intersted in Japanese Toys, J. E ALverez's book is quite fun:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 50-0595621

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:42 pm

i have to say, i know next to nothing about the exclusives, like Botcon and what not... these Wreckers toys/storyline and such like...

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:59 am

Best First wrote:For those intersted in Japanese Toys, J. E ALverez's book is quite fun:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 50-0595621

Yeah, I have the BW edition of that, it's great.

'Til some bugger spilled red wine on it at a party, anyway.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:42 am

Best First wrote: of the above i only really care about finding out about Beast Machines.

i know the 'cartoon' of BM quite well i think, but the toys... whole new ball game.

Best First wrote: For those intersted in Japanese Toys, J. E ALverez's book is quite fun:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 50-0595621

ooh, i think i actually have that somewhere! i'd forgotten about that... right, digging that out tonight when i get home!

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:45 am

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Best First wrote:For those intersted in Japanese Toys, J. E ALverez's book is quite fun:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 50-0595621
Yeah, I have the BW edition of that, it's great.

'Til some bugger spilled red wine on it at a party, anyway.

Ouch...

What's that OP figure in the middle? I thought I knew all the japanese G1 toys but I haven't seen that one yet...

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:08 pm

BB Shockwave wrote: What's that OP figure in the middle? I thought I knew all the japanese G1 toys but I haven't seen that one yet...

No idea, i've only just remembered i own the book!

Post by **Best First** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:49 pm

I think its is Metal Force Op.

Basicaly its a non transfrorming die cast figure - it came with its own matrix, as pictured.

er, i think, anyway.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:48 pm

Damn! Id forgotten i'd remembered that i own that book - i'll try and remember to check it out tonight, but i think Besters might be right.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:37 pm

Best First wrote:I think its is Metal Force Op.

Basicaly its a non transfrorming die cast figure - it came with its own matrix, as pictured.

er, i think, anyway.

Yeah, now I remember too! A friend of mine asked me that he can buy it for 50$ and whether he should... It looks a bit different on the book cover.