Dreamwave artists...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:30 pm

In what order of goodness would you place the Dreamwave artists?

In the main there was (in no particular order):

Pat Lee
Don Figueroa
James Raiz
Guido Guidi
Joe Ng
Alex Milne
Rob Ruffalo
Andrew Wildman
Jae Lee

How would you order them from best to worst?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:44 pm

Figueroa and Wildman are amazing. Don slightly ahead.
Raiz, Guidi, Ng and Milne are all very good TF artists - I'd lean more towards Ng 'cause I thought AoW had some brilliant visuals, but I may be slanted towards that because of the subject matter. Milne's run on Energon was also very good.
Did Jae Lee do the WWII stuff? Yeah, I'd be happy to see him do TFs again, as long as they were a bit more well-lit this time.
Pat, Rob...no.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:26 pm

Lemme see. In this order I would say.

Don Figueroa (no comment truly needed)
Andrew Wildman (he was a bit out of shape really)
Jae Lee (his vision of the transformers was truly different and frightening almost)
James Raiz
Alex Milne(incredible visuals in the last issues of Energon, loads of people on screen at the same time)
Joe Ng
Pat Lee
Guido Guidi (he's improved immensely now that he can run free, but at the time I didn't like him at all)
Rob Ruffolo - ... Should have stuck to his colouring.

Post by **Denyer** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:05 pm

Predabot wrote:he was a bit out of shape really

And his work being inked by someone who had one hand tied behind their back... nothing to do with the end result, I suppose?

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:32 pm

Well, I don't know. I've done some colour-work on the a few of the raw pencils that were released, without any inks on them. And I still think he's slightly inhibited or something on them.

I think it was the new style.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:25 am

Can someone please explain the attraction to Pat Lee's artwork? I really don't get it.

Guido Guidi-Draws TFs AND humans to perfection!
Don Figueroa-Draws TFs just the way I like 'em.
Andrew Wildman-Amazing sense of how a comic works.
James Raiz-Strengths of Don/Guido/Wildman, but to "robotic" looking.
Jae Lee-phenominal, but when his inker figured out that the tone of the book was "dark," he took it as "lets cover all the detail with solid black ink."
Joe Ng-Made the "Pat Lee style" look semi workable with TFs.
Rob Ruffalo-Same style as Lee, but has a better sense of flow.
Pat Lee-burn in hell you self-important, thieving, no talent, anime-wannabe, son of a bitch.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:09 am

Uh... do you acctually mean that Rob Ruffollo is a better artist than Pat Lee?! Lee isn't exactly brilliant, or even among the top tier in his former company...

But worse than Ruffollo?!!

Ye gads...

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:36 am

Predabot wrote:Uh... do you acctually mean that Rob Ruffollo is a better artist than Pat Lee?! Lee isn't exactly brilliant, or even among the top tier in his former company...

But worse than Ruffollo?!!

Ye gads...

As a poster artist, Lee's better than Ruffollo. As a comic book artist, Pat Lee is far worse, imo. At least in Micromasters, I knew what was going on from page to page. With TF volume 2, there were times when I didn't even know what I was looking at.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:16 pm

I think some of the inking ruins alot of artists work at DW

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:06 pm

Who were these inkers anyway?? Don't seem as they were inking in the old marvel-tradition exactly... any of them got jobs now?

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:27 pm

Predabot wrote:Who were these inkers anyway?? Don't seem as they were inking in the old marvel-tradition exactly... any of them got jobs now?

They are hiding from fear of disgruntled Transfans who cite "you ruined Dark Ages!" at them. Which they did... with their LACK of ink. I guess they leave everything to the colorists nowdays.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:21 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:
Predabot wrote:Who were these inkers anyway?? Don't seem as they were inking in the old marvel-tradition exactly... any of them got jobs now?
They are hiding from fear of disgruntled Transfans who cite "you ruined Dark Ages!" at them. Which they did... with their LACK of ink. I guess they leave everything to the colorists nowdays.

Ever wonder how Don Fig's Mega Litho wound up looking so spectacular? Talk to the inker of the project...

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:05 pm

I'm guessing there was none.. or he wore a striking resemblance to a certain talented comic-artist that's primarily made some great art-work on various transformers-titles. And has a southern-european sounding last-name.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:06 pm

Predabot wrote:I'm guessing there was none.. or he wore a striking resemblance to a certain talented comic-artist that's primarily made some great art-work on various transformers-titles. And has a southern-european sounding last-name.

Geoff Senior?

Post by **Best First** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:13 am

They had inking?

anyway:

Giudo Guidi
Andrew Wildman
Jae Lee
James Raiz
Don Figuroa (best technically, but not best storyboard or drama wise i'm afraid)
Joe Ng
Alex Milne
Pat Lee
Rob Ruff

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:24 am

Predabot wrote:I'm guessing there was none..

That's right. Espen colored Don's original pencils.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:06 am

Man, that's bad... I never saw the final project, only the preview pieces.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:06 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:Man, that's bad... I never saw the final project, only the preview pieces.

The piece is, imo, the best looking thing to come out of Dreamwave. It makes me wonder why DW bothered with inkers at all if their colorists could work so well with the raw pencils.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:53 am

personally i like working with pencils more than inks

guess its cuz i dont ink my own work and go from pencils to colors

just gives a different feel to the piece

and there werent too many inkers @ DW

i know Elaine To and Ferd Poblete were the inkers i remember most

and if i remember right, Jae Lee inked his own work. the huge use of blacks is just part of his style

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:19 am

Josh wrote:
and if i remember right, Jae Lee inked his own work. the huge use of blacks is just part of his style

Ah. I'll have to bump Jae down to the bottom of my list, then.

Well, maybe not all the way down. Pat (and his abs) still deserve that very bottom spot.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:04 pm

It seemed most things Elaine To worked on looked good. You could compare an artists work with her inks one issue and someone elses the next, and there'd be quite a difference in quality.

Anyway, my order would be (ish):

Don Figueroa
James Raiz
Andrew Wildman
Guido Guidi
Alex Milne
Jae Lee
Joe Ng
Pat Lee
Rob Ruffalo

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:55 pm

My order :

Guido Guidi - great cartoony art, not too detailed but clean, plus he did great panels. I especially like his MTMTE entries (just like old Universe entries) and his Energon run.

Don Figueroa: The 'Don'. While his art is incredible, I never liked his MTMTE entries much as the unnecesary 'posing' often made some bots look awkward.

Andrew Wildman: still as good as ever. Less fleshy faces, yet all full of emotions (well except Shockwave's)

Pity about the inking (or lack of it)

James Raiz: Good, but in Armada, the proportions were sometimes waaay off. He got better in Energon.

Alex Milne: Umm, can't recall what he drew.

Jae Lee: Did he do anything?

Joe Ng: Bah. When I saw the profile of Goldbug, I nicknamed the artist who drew him 'the cubist' without knowing it was NG. His 'put together a few boxes, paste them with useless details" bots didn't work for me, neither the exagerrated robot faces and the always changing perspective. In the end, he even got a bicycle pump and tried to look like Pat. But I guess that was Pat's doing....

Pat Lee: Gah.

Too many mistakes to list here. Guy calls himself an comic artist? Still, better then Ruffolo because he did some nice lithos.

Rob Ruffalo : should have stuck with coloring. But then, Pat liked his art and he came through with Micromasters. Ironical, that both as toys in 1990 and as a comic, Micros spelled bad for the TF line...

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:36 am

As fa as I am concerned:

Andrew Wildman
Guido Guidi
James Raiz
Don Figueroa
Jae Lee
Alex Milne
big gap
Joe Ng
Pat Lee
Rob Ruffalo

BB Shockwave wrote:Alex Milne: Umm, can't recall what he drew.

Energon #26-29.

BB Shockwave wrote:Jae Lee: Did he do anything?

Transformers/G.I.Joe.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:04 pm

Ah, yeah. Forgot MIlne, he was quite good.

Jae Lee did that one issue of the TF/Joe crossover, right? Not the WW2 one...

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:58 pm

No, Jae did that one set during WW2. The only issue of the second one had breakdowns by Pat, finishes by somebody else and backgrounds by one other guy.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:54 pm

man.. i cant wait to be a "supahstar" artist and have other people draw stuff for me so i can stamp my name on it

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:52 am

Apparently, that's why Pat Lee's so popular with other companies. He has a team of people that make sure his work gets finished VERY quickly.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:03 am

yeah

the reason he's so fast is cuz he only draws the characters :P he has everybody else do everything else for him.

man, what i'd give to have that kind of a team :P
my art would rule

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:21 am

Josh wrote:yeah

the reason he's so fast is cuz he only draws the characters :P he has everybody else do everything else for him.

man, what i'd give to have that kind of a team :P
my art would rule

Make them an offer when Pat inevitably forgets to pay them somewhere down the line.

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