Did ANY characters get better treatment in Dreamwave...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:27 pm

...than in the Marvel comic?

Skywarp?
Thundercracker?
Jetfire?
Trypticon?
...anyone?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:17 pm

i was going to try to be funny and say Sunstorm... but in all fairness, his treatment in the Marvel comic was better than what he got in the Dreamwave one...

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:17 pm

It looked like Furman was finally going to give Blaster the story he deserved, but we never got to see it. Much like we did in Marvel.

I liked WW Ratbat - a nice use of the character. But he got treated pretty well in Marvel too.

...

I'm stumped.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:18 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:I liked WW Ratbat

I'm guessing you mean Furman's not Mad Bricks?

Post by **Best First** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:06 pm

Good topic.

No.

kidding, maybe...

Skywarp and TC (he's the leader of the pack) didn'tr eally get any development did they? Ok they got screen time, but not a great deal in the way of characterisation.

Trypty - he was more or less the same as Marvelw asn't he? Maybea bit embellished, so yep, maybe slightly better.

Jetfire - meh, niether continuity is great imo. The reason vs faith angle was really laboured and badly done in the sunstorm arc tho (IMO).

I'm working thorugh other chars in my head now and strugling to come up with much. Soem chars got more exposure but MIck and Patyks appraoch was often so heavy handed (Sideswipe, Cliffjumper, Bluestreak and especially Sunstreaker) that i would have rather they had just not bothered.

Shockwave? ha ha - altho that does suggest there is also an obvious flip side to thsi topic.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:12 pm

Best First wrote:altho that does suggest there is also an obvious flip side to thsi topic.

Yeah, I didn't want to go there. We'd be here all day!

Post by **Best First** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:25 pm

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:33 pm

Good point. Maybe we should have a 'Characters Dreamwave screwed up' thread.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:54 pm

Brawn had his moment(s), I think they captured his cartoon persona pretty well. He was pretty rubbish in the Marvel comics.

erm...i'm stuck for more.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:39 pm

Legion wrote:
Metal Vendetta wrote:I liked WW Ratbat
I'm guessing you mean Furman's not Mad Bricks?

Mad Brick did some of War Within?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:57 pm

Rebis wrote:
Legion wrote:
Metal Vendetta wrote:I liked WW Ratbat
I'm guessing you mean Furman's not Mad Bricks?
Mad Brick did some of War Within?

damn my eyes, i read WW as DW!

/me gets his coat.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:00 pm

Legion wrote:
Rebis wrote:
Legion wrote: I'm guessing you mean Furman's not Mad Bricks?
Mad Brick did some of War Within?
damn my eyes, i read WW as DW!

/me gets his coat.

How could you get that wrong? The whole feakin' topic's about DW!

*sheds*

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:09 pm

Rebis wrote:
Legion wrote:
Rebis wrote: Mad Brick did some of War Within?
damn my eyes, i read WW as DW!

/me gets his coat.
How could you get that wrong? The whole feakin' topic's about DW!

*sheds*

Because I ran out of gas! I got a flat tire! I didn't have change for cab fare! I lost my tux at the cleaners! I locked my keys in the car! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!

because i wasn't paying attention

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:01 pm

Rebis wrote:*sheds*

http://www.stickysheets.com/

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:52 am

WW Grimlock was great.

But so was Marvel Grimlock.

Other than that, nobody really stands out.

-J

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:59 am

The Micromasters?

Warcry · Post by **Warcry** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:19 am

Bugly jumps to mind right off the bat. The guy only got, what, ten lines throughout the entire Marvel run? I certainly don't recall him getting any real characterization, which I suppose was par for the course for most of the Pretenders.

It's a pity, too, because even as a second-string character in Dark Ages he showed some potential. He had a definate air of arrogance and smug superiority about him (although that had as much to do with the way Wildman drew him than it did with the lines he got, IMO), which could have made him an enjoyable B-level villian. We never really got any payoff on that, mind you, since he spent most of his time acting as a background goon. Still, better than the Marvel treatment.

Pretender Bumblebee · Post by **Pretender Bumblebee** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:35 am

Jetfire and Ultra Magnus would be my chocies. They really went deeper then the cartoon or comic did with either of these characters. Giving them interesting moments and situations that they had never really been in before.

Ultra Magnus especialy with using his White Optimus Prime form I thought was a nice touch and play up on something that was never really talked about or looked into. The toy clearly came with the ability for him to be the small robot version yet it seemed ignored in every other place talked about him. I give a huge kudos for Dreamwave in using that element as to further the connection of him and Optimus Prime. Great story devlopement in my opinoin that really expanded on him and made him a more interesting character.

As for Jetfire.. nuff said. Just check out any of the moments he and Sunstorm had and right away you can see a whole new character then the one we saw in either the cartoon or the Marvel comic who was quickly over looked and dumbed down as just a jet for the Autobots and not much more.

The rest.. not really enough to put them ahead what we saw previously. If anything I thought Optimus was worse displayed in the Dreamwave version then previously seen. Bumblebee was same ol trying to prove himself stuff. Nothing new there. The rest were all typical of what we saw before. Thats off the top of my head. Haven't read the issues in awhile so I may be forgetting someone who had good development but those two above are the ones who stick out.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:15 am

Hound wrote:Brawn was pretty rubbish

fxd

At a push, I guess I'd go for Jetfire also, although I did not find the latter stages of his characterisation terribly convincing. I did like his DW incarnation on the whole, tho.

Bumblebee, while not being a new characterisation, did manage to get a little complexity going? I may be off here, but I seem to feel that in the Marvel comics he was either 'trying to prove himself' or 'had proved himself'. Not really a progression from one to the other except for putting on a Pretender shell. I guess I'm trying to say I never got the impression from his early Marvel appearances that he 'had the stuff' until he actually 'got the stuff', if you know what I mean.
In DW I kinda felt that his potential was already there, he just had to use it, rather than find it/develop it first. Whether that is better long-term writing is debatable.
As said, may be quite off on that call.

Trypticon was more. He was fun.

The Micromasters?

Despite getting a whole mini-series focused on them, they got retrograded rather than bettered, surely? I love MMs but in DW, most of them are completely unsympathetic fools.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:11 am

Bugly's a good one.

Deluxe Insecticons? Though I think we got overkill there.

I think what potential Bumblebee had was dropped in the Ongoing when he bizarrely quit.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:41 am

Ultra Magnus?!!!!

Marvel Magnus would turn the DW whiner into an ashtray.

And surely the whole 'white magnus' thing was, in fact, appalling fanwank of the lowest order?

Man i really don't like DW Ultra Magnus at all. What a bell.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:43 am

He certainly got miles more characterisation than in Marvel US I guess.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:47 am

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say Megatron, at least under Mick's tenure. Sarracini's Megatron was pretty awful but Mick seemed to get the characterisation just right here. Furman didn't get Megatron really right until G2...

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:47 am

spiderfrommars wrote:He certainly got miles more characterisation than in Marvel US I guess.

as a bell...

i think the key point is more does not equal better, look at Sideswipe and Sunny.

Magatron - maybe, but i think a lot of it was very State Games to be honest.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:53 am

Megs in the Prey arc (UK 96 to 104), Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire (213,214) and in G2 has no equal.

Dead Head · Post by **Dead Head** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:27 am

Pretender Bumblebee wrote:Jetfire and Ultra Magnus would be my chocies. They really went deeper then the cartoon or comic did with either of these characters. Giving them interesting moments and situations that they had never really been in before.

Wha? Deep? So Bradley McMickelson's characterisation of Ultra Magnus was deeper?

Pretender Bumblebee wrote:Ultra Magnus especialy with using his White Optimus Prime form I thought was a nice touch and play up on something that was never really talked about or looked into. I give a huge kudos for Dreamwave in using that element as to further the connection of him and Optimus Prime. Great story devlopement in my opinoin that really expanded on him and made him a more interesting character.

Using a previously unused configuration from the toy? Fine. Defining and introducing it in such an utterly terrible fanwankish manner? AWFUL.

Not only that, but this whole dimwitted 'brothers' crap really grates. A sterile cliche that shows such a lack of imagination. It's on a lame-idea par with having a certain toon character start almost every sentence with "Me Grimlock...".

Post by **Best First** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:40 am

spiderfrommars wrote:Megs in the Prey arc (UK 96 to 104), Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire (213,214) and in G2 has no equal.

good shout chief.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:00 pm

Best First wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:Megs in the Prey arc (UK 96 to 104), Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire (213,214) and in G2 has no equal.
good shout chief.

Well let's not forget that Fall and Rise was Straxatron, hm?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:33 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Best First wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:Megs in the Prey arc (UK 96 to 104), Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire (213,214) and in G2 has no equal.
good shout chief.
Well let's not forget that Fall and Rise was Straxatron, hm?

Must we?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:49 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Must we?

Sorry dude, as far as treatment of his character went, Marvel went pretty baldy for Megatron. The only times he was vaguely competent were when he was a clone of himself. That's poor, in my book. At least DW Megatron really was Megatron, as far as we know...