Rubbish endings!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:49 am

Can you think of a multi-part TF story that you feel was let down by the ending?

Obviously there's a fair few.

I'll go for a not-so predictable one. I was rather dissapointed by Part 3 of Crisis of Command, which I felt had nowhere near the intensity of the first two issues. I missed Geoff Senior's art as well. Still, the issue does have Prime beating up every single Decepticon, which I suppose is why some like it...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:52 pm

Time Wars, bitch,

It's a five!

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:10 pm

Space Pirates... So whatever happensto the Quints? WE never hear from them again. Or perhaps that's a good thing...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:47 pm

Brendocon wrote:Time Wars, bitch,

It's a five!

bollox, u mightnot like the finnal battle but the ending is all wrapped up nicely

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:26 pm

Rebirth, now that was a rubbish ending.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:46 pm

the last G1 issue

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:52 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:the last G1 issue

It was wrapped up veeery quickly but i still find the ending sweet. im such a sucker for happy endings n_n

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:17 am

Time Wars has problems in the middle, but the ending I really like. Prime vs. Galvatron, Galvy's "stand" against time storm, Scourge and Shockwave's saving the day, and the last exchange between Prime and Shockwave.

I think DW's Transformers/G.I.Joe is a winner (loser?) here.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:43 pm

fire on the high, the way it leves the conclusion in that years annual. sell-out!

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:52 pm

Ozz wrote:I think DW's Transformers/G.I.Joe is a winner (loser?) here.

Oh, hell yes.

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:03 am

Devil's Due's GI Joe / Transformers was actually very good in many ways. It took a very original approach to both the TFs and the Joes and it's dark and gritty style was superbly executed by Jae Lee. And for the roles of Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow, it wins the trophy for best ninja fight in the history of comics.

The downside was that it was sometimes so dark that you couldn't see what was happening. It also had a pacing problem, in that what should have been an 8 or 9 issue series was crammed into six. This made the story hard to understand at some points, not to mention the fact that its ending was cut short.

On the Dreamwave side of the house, their TF/GIJ was just a lot of bright and happy rubbish regurgitated from the cartoon show. No single idea actually killed it, but unlike the WW2 era issues, this one had no originality and no effort was made to elevate it above the cartoon.

TF/GIJ 2, the one with the time travelling, is perhaps the worst comic I have ever read. The bad encompasses everything else. Its all hackneyed drivel slapped together with the tripe left over from the cartoon series. And that's the most galling thing... they intentionally imitated the cartoon and didn't put any kind of original spin on it whatsoever. It's a paint-by-numbers story, and the art has some unforgiveable elementary mistakes. I can't run out of bad things to say about this one.

However, the good moments include the dark, bloodthirsty Ratchet and the crippled cyborg Duke. Interestingly, this one actually has a good ending. It be a deus ex machina, but having Grimlock show up and whup everybody's *** is great.

-J

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:54 am

jboyler, you've got the DW and DD crossovers the wrong way round there.

I'll agree that the World War 2 stuff was entertaining in the main. Vol 2 looked interesting too (before DW folded). The DD stuff was rudimentary (Vol 1) or just plain bad (Vol 2).

Post by **Best First** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:56 am

i preffered volume 2 to behonest. Dark Ratchet was cool.

Time Wars was a pump ending - oh look, hol ein the sky, which for some reason Shockwave shoots, all wrapped up. pants.

Not to mention the fcat that time wars was in fact the ending to a much greater saga, and for me fails to deliver on the promise shown in T2006, Wanted; Dead or Alive, Salvage, etc.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:06 am

EJ Su's art in the last issue of DD Joe vs TF V2 was great as well.

Time Wars ending was a let down. I would have preferred 12 pages of Galvatron stomping Magnus into the ground over and over again, like we were promised...

Post by **Best First** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:33 am

i always conceived it as being the other way around...

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:44 am

You would

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:02 am

Again I dont think theres anything wrong with the ending of TW but I do feel the culmination of the story is an anti-climax.

The whole, galvy getting torn apart, scourge + shockers flying into the time storm, OP saving roddy, and the handshake at the end. thats alright as an ending.

So its the climax, or lack of therefore I think.

Galvy V Magnus and Galvy V OP in more then 1 issue.

Personaly I would extend it by 2 issues, have a Magnus and roddy V Megatron and Galvy combo fight.

the victors being Galvy and Magnus of course, then OP enters the fray, megs buggers off as he realises hes not actually galvatron and then we have a good issue for a fight and tieing up losse plot ends.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:12 am

jboyler wrote:Devil's Due's [Dreamwave's]GI Joe / Transformers was actually very good in many ways. It took a very original approach to both the TFs and the Joes and it's dark and gritty style was superbly executed by Jae Lee. And for the roles of Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow, it wins the trophy for best ninja fight in the history of comics.

The downside was that it was sometimes so dark that you couldn't see what was happening. It also had a pacing problem, in that what should have been an 8 or 9 issue series was crammed into six. This made the story hard to understand at some points, not to mention the fact that its ending was cut short.

I really like the first 5 issues. Then the last issue makes me want to drown things. Well, drown the editor.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:29 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Personaly I would extend it by 2 issues, have a Magnus and roddy V Megatron and Galvy combo fight.

the victors being Galvy and Magnus of course, then OP enters the fray, megs buggers off as he realises hes not actually galvatron and then we have a good issue for a fight and tieing up losse plot ends.

Don't forget 12 pages of Galvatron stomping Magnus into the ground over and over and over again...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:28 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Personaly I would extend it by 2 issues, have a Magnus and roddy V Megatron and Galvy combo fight.

the victors being Galvy and Magnus of course, then OP enters the fray, megs buggers off as he realises hes not actually galvatron and then we have a good issue for a fight and tieing up losse plot ends.
Don't forget 12 pages of Galvatron stomping Magnus into the ground over and over and over again...

Yes this will be shown in the special extended G.Senoir issue, with detailed shots of head stomps.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:18 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Yes this will be shown in the special extended G.Senoir issue, with detailed shots of head stomps.

*drools*

Yunno, I don't think I could ever get enough of Geoff Senior drawing Ultra Magnus getting whaled by Galvy.

*flips open T2006, Fallen Angel et al*

*drools*

Post by **Best First** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:53 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:You would

Yeah, thanks for that. Previous narrative tends towrads Galvy getting beaten, Time wars suddenly decides to ignore this in favour of largly cheap thrills, even if some of the visuals associated with it are great.

I suppose we could have 12 pages of Galvy failing to kill Magnus evenwhen he has him at his mercy, eh?

I think that intriducing Op and Megs is one of the things that screw Time wars to be honest. The whole sage has had a nice scope of characters then suddenly it gets blown out of the water and things all become fairly menaingless from the point where Sounwave and co travel back in time to do sod all onwards.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:46 pm

Best First wrote:I suppose we could have 12 pages of Galvy failing to kill Magnus evenwhen he has him at his mercy, eh?

It was only a narrow ledge that stopped Magnus becoming a slick in Galvy's volcano, remember?

Best First wrote:I think that intriducing Op and Megs is one of the things that screw Time wars to be honest. The whole sage has had a nice scope of characters then suddenly it gets blown out of the water and things all become fairly menaingless from the point where Sounwave and co travel back in time to do sod all onwards.

Fair point, the future 'Cons are nothing but filler, while the future 'Bots really do very little except get in the way. The Wreckers/Mayhems fight drags on for far too long, while we don't see much of what happens once the others join in. The absence of present day UM - even if he would just get stomped GS-style - is tragic.

Although I still love Megs's exit. Dunno why, it reverberates.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:43 am

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Best First wrote:I suppose we could have 12 pages of Galvy failing to kill Magnus evenwhen he has him at his mercy, eh?
It was only a narrow ledge that stopped Magnus becoming a slick in Galvy's volcano, remember?

Nah. Turns out they can both survive lava anyway.

Best First wrote:I think that intriducing Op and Megs is one of the things that screw Time wars to be honest. The whole sage has had a nice scope of characters then suddenly it gets blown out of the water and things all become fairly menaingless from the point where Sounwave and co travel back in time to do sod all onwards.
Fair point, the future 'Cons are nothing but filler, while the future 'Bots really do very little except get in the way. The Wreckers/Mayhems fight drags on for far too long, while we don't see much of what happens once the others join in. The absence of present day UM - even if he would just get stomped GS-style - is tragic.

aye. Bluntly i'd have like to seen the spaklers there as well, even if it was just so Fizzle and Sizzle could get nailed to the wall.

Although I still love Megs's exit. Dunno why, it reverberates.

shame that angle never went anywhere after the US stuff, his return to Cybertron was great and then... ooh! Back to stupid revenge schemes. Ironic Furman seemed to be making hima credibel threat and then undermined himself, leaving us to wait until G2 for a decent Megs.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:14 am

it was pre-ordained!

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:19 am

Best First wrote:aye. Bluntly i'd have like to seen the spaklers there as well, even if it was just so Fizzle and Sizzle could get nailed to the wall.

Mmmm...Guzzle as one of the Survivors

Post by **Best First** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:33 am

like, obviously.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:24 pm

if only, that would have be pure class.