At last, I'm watching Beast Machines. May contain spoilers.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:23 am

Autobloke wrote: Campaign is a good idea. Who exactly do I have to sleep with? That'll scare them into doing whatever we want.

Start with the bloke who hosts 'Shake' on channel 5

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:59 pm

Rebis wrote:All other episodes qwith Beast Wars in the title are Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, both are Japanese productions.

Forgive the ignorance, but does anyone know if these are dubbed and available for purchase here in the states? Sub-titled would work as well.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:45 pm

Hopefully now we're getting the full Headmasters series etc, we might finally get those too.
Still doesn't help with the Beast Wars stuff though.

And I think I'd prefer subtitles.

And I've seen that 'Shake' bloke. I think I've just suddenly developed 'standards'.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:52 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:
Rebis wrote:All other episodes qwith Beast Wars in the title are Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, both are Japanese productions.
Forgive the ignorance, but does anyone know if these are dubbed and available for purchase here in the states? Sub-titled would work as well.

No idea about dubbed, but my only experience with the odd few I've seen has been with, what appear to be, quite good subbing.

adam.creighton · Post by **adam.creighton** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:47 am

Who wants to borrow B.M on DVD?

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:43 pm

adam.creighton wrote:Who wants to borrow B.M on DVD?

Are you serious?

Me please!

Are you in the UK? If so, I'll pay your postage and return them when I'm done.

Whats your final opinion now you've watched them?

adam.creighton · Post by **adam.creighton** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:44 pm

Yep, they're there for whoever wants to borrow them. Got a few glitches to iron out of the discs, and your DVD player/PC needs to be able to play DVD+R. I'm off to japan for the whole of August, so I thought instead of gathering dust, people who have never seen B.M get the chance to. Yes, I do live in Blighty, Leicestershire. B.M season two is very good, has a lot more humour than Season One and a lot more Megatron. I'll get the discs sorted by next week, just make sure you carry on this thread and pass the discs round the community.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:03 pm

adam.creighton wrote:pass the discs round the community.

Like little silver whores.

Glad you spotted this Scraplet. I meant to PM you and mention it but I - well - forgot. I've still got me vids, so I'm okay.
Nice board spirit adam - but I suppose you can make as many copies as you like now, so no risk of losing them in the post (did anyone watch those recent 'Dispatches' shows?), whereas I only have one set of vids and I don't want to lose them, or whether they'd copy well considering the age of the tapes. As such - no shame on my part.

And now you have to give us YOUR thoughts on BM, Scraplet.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:48 am

adam.creighton wrote:pass the discs round the community.

Like 'Bloke said, thats really cool board spirit. Do you want the discs to make their way back to you at some point, or shall I send them on to the next person who asks?

Autobloke wrote:Glad you spotted this Scraplet. I meant to PM you and mention it but I - well - forgot.

Thanks for the thought anyway!

I tend to only check the BW board occasionally, 'cos not much tends to happen. Thats why it took me a few days.

Autobloke wrote:And now you have to give us YOUR thoughts on BM, Scraplet.

As soon as I've seen 'em, I'll let you know!! If I can convince my son to watch them with me instead of all six 'Land before Time' movies (his current obsession), then I'll probably get through them quicker!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:50 pm

adam.creighton wrote:pass the discs round the community.

Good man.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:02 pm

How much do you think it would run to get those over here in Texas and back?

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:08 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote: How much do you think it would run to get those over here in Texas and back?

My ebay-obssessed wife, who is usually quite accurate with her postage-price guesses reckons about £3 (not sure what the coversion rates are; about US$5

) for a DVD in a case.......

She recently got a double DVD recently from the States for £4 P&P.....

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:24 pm

Cheap as chips, SC. Bounty up.

adam.creighton · Post by **adam.creighton** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:11 pm

Series one is all ready, the sound is completely out of sinc on episode 6, cant do anything about it unfortunately, but the rest of the eps are fine. Having a problem with episode ten on season two, wont convert to MPEG so might have to put it on a VCD, but the rest of the eps are fine. Can do first 14 eps of Galaxy Force aswell, if ive got time.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:37 pm

That there Galaxy Force sounds tempting...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:19 pm

adam.creighton wrote:Having a problem with episode ten on season two, wont convert to MPEG so might have to put it on a VCD

The VCD encoding standard is MPEG-1. If your file won't convert to MPEG, it's unlikely you'll be able to VCD it. Or SVCD (MPEG-2) for that matter.

adam.creighton · Post by **adam.creighton** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:39 am

Scraplet, please e-mail me you adress by 12.00 tomorrow so I can post out the Beast Machines DVD's.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:12 pm

adam.creighton wrote:Scraplet, please e-mail me you adress by 12.00 tomorrow so I can post out the Beast Machines DVD's.

Cheers mate, you are a star

I've just dropped you an email.

Did you say you were off to janpan for a month? Hope you have a great time. Let us know how it was when you get back.....

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:08 pm

OK, I've received the DVDs - Cheers Adam

I've watched the first series now (two consecutive evenings of my wife giving me condesending smiles and sniggering at some of the more over-the-top dialogue as she passes - she even tried to appeal to my carnal desires in order to tempt me away.......but I digress

)

Initial impressions; the overall look is fantastic. I love the animation, more realistic and less 'polygony' than Beast Wars, but I suppose that reflects the inprovements in technology in the intervening years. It seems a little jerky at times - like there are not enough frames per second or something......but thats a minor complaint. I like the whole premise of the plot - I know a lots of transfans are critical of it, but the whole organic origin works for me.

The way the plot is revealed is very refreshing - at first I thought I must have missed an episode. The suspense is great....

I love the character development in Optimus and Cheetor. Some of the most mature charaterisation in any TF continuity IMO. Optimus' guilt leading to bouts of rage; his hippyish spiritual side coming out; these things effecting his ability to function a a leader - all well scripted and none of it feeling like a forced plot device. You get a gradual feel for the change in both Optimus and Cheetor as the series progresses......real character development in a 'toon

Cheetor's headstrong nature and cockyness / arrogance tempered by his maturation into a potential leader - I love the way the changes in Primal provide the need / catalyst for Cheetors development....this is really effective storytelling. It's driven by characters not situations, if you get what I mean.......a real rarity.

BM Cheetor is what G1 HotRod / Rodimus Prime should have been....

The introduction of Rhinox/Tankor into the equation is a cool twist. Its nice to be rooting for Megatron for once (he's behind you!

)

There are a couple of episodes that are obvious fillers which don't contribute to the overall series plot, which could have been better or binned. Most notably, the one where Rat Trap feels he is being unappreciated and goes to Megatron, where he is equiped with what appears to be 'The Wrong Trousers' from Wallace and Gromit

Very poor. It could be reformated as a G1 'toon plot. But i won't let one or two bad apples spoil the applecart.

I hate BW Silverbolt. He's not even tongue-in-cheek, just crap. He's only cropped up for about 30 seconds, when BA temporarily revived him, but that was enough to make my heart sink. Please tell me he doesn't make a full comeback in BM series two

. Well I'll find out tonight.......

Its nice to see the Matrix given it 'mysticism' back, but vector sigma......

. Ah well, other than sticking it firmly in the G1 'toon continuity it's well handled, so I should't be too critical for purely fanboy reasons. But after all the BW references to Primus, we get Vector Sigma

Series 2 tonight

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:27 pm

Scraplet wrote: I hate BW Silverbolt. He's not even tongue-in-cheek, just crap. He's only cropped up for about 30 seconds, when BA temporarily revived him, but that was enough to make my heart sink. Please tell me he doesn't make a full comeback in BM series two . Well I'll find out tonight...

You'll enjoy the later eps then...

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:40 pm

Autobloke wrote:
Scraplet wrote: I hate BW Silverbolt. He's not even tongue-in-cheek, just crap. He's only cropped up for about 30 seconds, when BA temporarily revived him, but that was enough to make my heart sink. Please tell me he doesn't make a full comeback in BM series two . Well I'll find out tonight...
You'll enjoy the later eps then...

I'm nine episodes in now, and I have to say I like the new Silverbolt. He's hardcore!!

I suspect that he will be enlightened by love by the end of the series tho

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:43 pm

Scraplet wrote:I suspect that he will be enlightened by love by the end of the series tho

Or dead. Or changed back to a Vehicon.
Now you have to work out if I was kidding there or not.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:14 pm

Autobloke wrote:Or dead. Or changed back to a Vehicon.

Either of those would be my prefered options!

adam.creighton · Post by **adam.creighton** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:30 am

Just want to say hi. Hi

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:59 pm

Are ya back then?

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:18 pm

Hi Adam! I've not quite finished with the DVDs yet, cos my player is broke (bloody children)............up to episode 10 of series two.

And, Autobloke, if he not back then he's probably not able to afford to be online for much longer than that sentence. He sent me an email a week or two back and mentioned that the cost of logging-on from Japan was crippling!! He also mentioned all the cool TF stuff he was seeing in Japan to make you very jealous, 'Bloke!

I think he's away for a month.......is that right, Adam, if you're still there?!? If so he should be a way for another week or so, I think.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:53 pm

Scraplet wrote:logging-on from Japan was crippling

Not literally, I hope.

Scraplet wrote:He also mentioned all the cool TF stuff he was seeing in Japan to make you very jealous, 'Bloke!

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:12 pm

Having finally got a new DVD player I've fished watching the series now.

Wow, those last 3 episodes are fantastic - real edge of the seat stuff. If it wasn't for the slightly lame resilution to Meg's and Primal's final showdown, I'd put it in the same league as 'the Agenda'.

Meg new body was a good twist - I didn't see that coming.

And I was happy that they kept a lid on Silverbolt until the end.

I've no problem with the concept of the end itself (which is the part most BM haters seem to criticise), but I do think it could have been handled better. Its like they didn't bother to put much through into what a techno-organic cybertron would actually be.

Overall very enjoyable. Cheers Adam - you are a star and I own you one!!

Right! Who would like the DVDs next? First come first served!!!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:41 pm

I'd love to see 'em.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:33 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:I'd love to see 'em.

Sold, to the man at the back with eight legs!!

PM me your address, Spidy, and I'll bung 'em in the post!