LOL!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue May 17, 2005 6:47 pm

Look Prime, your robot mode looks like you transform into an earth vehicle thats not even been invented yet!

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Tue May 17, 2005 7:32 pm

The same could be said for the all the transformers, with Shockwave being the exception.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue May 17, 2005 7:56 pm

"Oh my god! It's happening again!"

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:56 am

Hasbro made the comic do that, the cartoon was just pants.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:34 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Hasbro made the comic do that, the cartoon was just pants.

But I thought Shockwave did it?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed May 18, 2005 8:51 am

This is nothing new in any format. It was really War Within that first addressed the matter fully. One point to Dreamwave (well, Figueroa really).

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:00 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Hasbro made the comic do that, the cartoon was just pants.

do you have any evidence to support that?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:40 am

yes

no...

but it felt good!

the funny thing is, the seekers in the cartoon have alt forms, as does Jazz, bumblebee and soundwave etc... so why make thier robot forms look like earther transformations?

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:42 am

they do it in the comic as well tho - Prime appears to be some bulky gun emplacement thing.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:36 pm

That's quite correct. With a big-arse cannon that looks a bit like megs Fusion-cannon. (Funny that altho they state that Prime is the only one that has a fire-power potential comparable to Megs he doesn't utilize a weapon as monstrous as his for the most part. Must be that autobot-thingy with peace-lovin')

I also believe that one of the reasons that they change appearance several times troughout the comic was because the guys at Marvel kept getting new model-sheets of what the characters should look like. Anybody notice that horrendous toy-accurate(??) version of 'Cybertronian' Bumblebee? Ugh!

Don is indeed the best thing to happen to TF since creamed corn.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:05 pm

Predabot wrote: Don is indeed the best thing to happen to TF since creamed corn.

He did some lovely art, some of the best, but I believe Senior's was better, it didnt have the detail of Don's work, but it was fluid and emoted.

The Magnus and Galvatron fight scenes poop over any piece of DW art.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:09 pm

Yeah its GS for me, don is good, but hes more an 'illustrator' then an 'artist' ... if you get what I mean

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:38 pm

Am I the only one that feels that Senior isn't the best TF-artist ever? I was always more of a Wildman-man myself. The Shockers - Scorps fight for instance shows that he can indeed convey much motion.

Heck, I even like Delbo!

I think I might be the only one in existence that does that...of TF-fans that is. He's worked on quite a few DC & Marvel titles.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:47 pm

Andys great aswell, a bit too abstract when it comes to robots, but hes good.

Seriously tho, GS has had some magic moments, his ability at scene compostion, dynamic angles and actualy TF drawing are 2nd to none.
Its all so natural.

perhaps a thread showing of the best of each artist?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:21 pm

I believe all the early artists had to go on WAS the toy models, or at least that's in fact what they went with.
What's the exact release of the comic vs. cartoon?

I remember hating Wildman when he first showed up on the scene, and then swearing that he and Senior were the only ones that should EVER draw TF by the end.

veritech · Post by **veritech** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:54 pm

Didn't the Cartoon and Comic debut within months of eachother in 1984?

My fav pic in the comic is the toy-accurate Ratchet in the first issue. Looks like crap.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed May 18, 2005 8:03 pm

veritech wrote:Looks like crap.

Looks like an alien robot to me!

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Wed May 18, 2005 8:14 pm

When did creamed corn happen to the TFs? I think I missed that issue. Sounds tasty.

veritech · Post by **veritech** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:08 pm

I have always wondered, who came up with the idea to change the designs of the TF characters from toy to cartoon/comic. Obviously, the cartoon and comic were marketing tools to sell the toys. I don't see how changing the designs so much would help sell toys that didn't look at all like what they see on the television.

I remember being very upset when I picked up a Bumblebee figure only to find out that it looked nothing like the cartoon.

Of course, in hindsight it worked and the comic/cartoon marketing really did work. Maybe kids are just ignorant, huh?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu May 19, 2005 1:07 am

I want my war within toys...

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu May 19, 2005 2:38 am

GF Starsceam

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:11 am

I think Floro Dery said that the animation models for the characters came over from Japan reasonably similar to how they ended up onscreen and he only had to simplify them a bit. I could be wrong about that, but I still think he's the one who translated the designs to the anim mods that got used.
The pics in the Generations book....are they the original designs?

The pages in the comics aren't produced in reading order. I believe the Marvel guys were given the anim models late, and had already started work on the comic. Which is why there are a lot of toy-based designs scattered about in the first couple of issues. Chages to animation model was also reflected in the comics, for instance in Megatron IIRC.

Warcry · Post by **Warcry** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:30 am

Predabot wrote:Am I the only one that feels that Senior isn't the best TF-artist ever? I was always more of a Wildman-man myself. The Shockers - Scorps fight for instance shows that he can indeed convey much motion.

*agrees*

Wildman's art was certainly the most striking...the way he would include battle damage (and carry it over from issue to issue) and the detail he put into his TFs was unprecidented.

Senior's work was a lot more blocky and...simplistic, for lack of a better word. That's not meant to belittle him...he did a great job conveying emotions and his use of shadows was masterful. It just wasn't as pretty as Wildman's stuff.

Heck, I even like Delbo! I think I might be the only one in existence that does that...of TF-fans that is. He's worked on quite a few DC & Marvel titles.

Delbo actually had talent, so I'm left to assume he just couldn't be bothered most of the time (possibly because he knew Yomtov was going to ruin anything he produced anyway...). I mean, his work on Rhythms of Darkness or Totalled is miles and miles better than a lot of the dreg he produced.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:18 am

KingMob wrote:Changes to animation model was also reflected in the comics, for instance in Megatron IIRC.

Yeah, Meg's head design changed quite a lot early on before settling on the bucket we know and love. I have a hoodie with his original model on the front, weird head and all...

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:22 am

I almost bought that t-shirt (is it made by W.K.E?)

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Thu May 19, 2005 9:15 am

At first Wildman wasn't so hot, especially because the comics looked like a two-year old was doing the inking. Later on, Wildman returns (the issue following the battle with Unicron) and for the rest of the series his art is Grade A stuff. The last few issues have the best art of the entire series, and the best writing of any TF series.

-J

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 19, 2005 10:26 am

i think GS just pips it for me, Wildman is close tho.

Both are better comic artists than any of the new crop though, of that i am certain.

Of the new boys i think Guido and Raiz are the best at telling stories with their art, even though Don is obvioulsy the best technically.

I was realy enthused when Guido said he would like to emulate their more paired down renderings in his recent interview - i hate this notion that mech art has to contain **** loads of detail. Get the basics right first.

Plus it was nice to see someone actually acknowledge these artists massive contribution.

what was this topic about again?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:40 pm

Darth Aux wrote:I almost bought that t-shirt (is it made by W.K.E?)

Dunno, my friend bought it for me from the Glastonbury festival...most probably a bootleg or something...

AW's Scorponok vs. Shockwave fight is awesome. Then again EOE is probably the best single issue of any TF series...