How does PMOP revert back to normal Oppy in G2?

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Thu May 05, 2005 10:40 am

I was looking at the cover of an old Marvel comic with PMOP on the front (and being the TF dumby that I am), I wondered how Prime well first off became PMOP and then afterwards reverted back to PMOP.

Also the same with Megs, Megs to Galvy, Galvy to Megs??? But how and why?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu May 05, 2005 10:52 am

Short version?

- Prime died
- He got rebuilt as a Powermaster
- He died again
- He got rebuilt (as an Actionmaster, though there's not enough evidence to show if he could transform or not)

As far as Megatron and Galvatron go, in the comics they are two seperate beings. Galvatron is still an alternate version of Megatron, just one who has been (1) thrown back in time or (2) plucked from an alternate dimension.

The detailed version can be found here: http://transfans.tfarchive3.com/comics_ ... p?series=2

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:02 am

Cheers

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu May 05, 2005 2:09 pm

And G2 basically just ignores the whole "Weren't Grimlock and Optimus Prime Actionmasters?" problem altogether.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:31 pm

That's why we need "Trans-formers: The Lost Years".

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:37 pm

Or a flashback sequence. I love flashbacks.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:44 pm

I thought Furman wrote a Text story set between G1 and G2 explaining that they either i) found a way to neutralize the Nucleon's effects or ii) it just wore off by itself.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:53 pm

If he did, I hope it was better than Alignment. I know I read about his ideas in an interview or two (one in a recent collector's magazine or something) but non-canon is non-canon.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Thu May 05, 2005 5:31 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:I thought Furman wrote a Text story set between G1 and G2 explaining that they either i) found a way to neutralize the Nucleon's effects or ii) it just wore off by itself.

Another Time and Place is an epilogue to original series, not a bridge story between End of the Road and Generation 2. It ends with all Decepticons from Bludgeon team killed or captured, plus Megatron destroyed after the attempt of reviving him.

Post by **Denyer** » Thu May 05, 2005 5:57 pm

Shanti418 wrote:And G2 basically just ignores the whole "Weren't Grimlock and Optimus Prime Actionmasters?" problem altogether.

Since it's just a case of retooling (and Prime wasn't an Actionmaster anyway—he was rebuilt by the Last Autobot) it's not such an incredible leap... in fact, in ATAP it was just a case of refueling with a different type of Nucleon.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Thu May 05, 2005 6:01 pm

Denyer wrote:
Shanti418 wrote:And G2 basically just ignores the whole "Weren't Grimlock and Optimus Prime Actionmasters?" problem altogether.
Since it's just a case of retooling (and Prime wasn't an Actionmaster anyway—he was rebuilt by the Last Autobot) it's not such an incredible leap... in fact, in ATAP it was just a case of refueling with a different type of Nucleon.

Yeah, it was rather a lame cop-out way of getting round the action-master effect.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Thu May 05, 2005 6:15 pm

A lame cop-out of an even lamer idea brought on by cheap toy designs.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Thu May 05, 2005 7:58 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:A lame cop-out of an even lamer idea brought on by cheap toy designs.

In plot terms, the idea of action masters wasn't that bad - Transformers losing the thing that makes them Transformers. But as toys, the idea definitely sucked.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:09 pm

Fair enough, and agreed.

Post by **Denyer** » Mon May 09, 2005 12:07 am

Bouncelot wrote:as toys, the idea definitely sucked.

Some of favourite toys as a kid, actually. Early 'G1' bricks just stood in a couple of positions; action-masters were a lot more playable.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:30 pm

Denyer wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:as toys, the idea definitely sucked.
Some of favourite toys as a kid, actually. Early 'G1' bricks just stood in a couple of positions; action-masters were a lot more playable.

OK, as toys that were supposed to be Transformers, the idea definitely sucked.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:40 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
Denyer wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:as toys, the idea definitely sucked.
Some of favourite toys as a kid, actually. Early 'G1' bricks just stood in a couple of positions; action-masters were a lot more playable.
OK, as toys that were supposed to be Transformers, the idea definitely sucked.

Yup.

Though I must say the accompanying components ('pets', packs, etc) that transformed were neat and an idea that should have been employed a long time prior and forever afterward in my opinion.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:43 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
Denyer wrote: Some of favourite toys as a kid, actually. Early 'G1' bricks just stood in a couple of positions; action-masters were a lot more playable.
OK, as toys that were supposed to be Transformers, the idea definitely sucked.
Yup.

Though I must say the accompanying components ('pets', packs, etc) that transformed were neat and an idea that should have been employed a long time prior and forever afterward in my opinion.

A bit like Targetmasters, then?

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:46 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
Señior's Covenant wrote:
Bouncelot wrote: OK, as toys that were supposed to be Transformers, the idea definitely sucked.
Yup.

Though I must say the accompanying components ('pets', packs, etc) that transformed were neat and an idea that should have been employed a long time prior and forever afterward in my opinion.
A bit like Targetmasters, then?

Yeah, but not nearly as annoying a concept to me as the 'equipment' for the Actionmasters was still entirely Cybertronian.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon May 09, 2005 4:08 pm

So, Minicons then?

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Mon May 09, 2005 4:38 pm

Autobloke wrote:So, Minicons then?

I guess. I've never managed to get into the newer series of TFs.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon May 09, 2005 4:46 pm

Who has?

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Tue May 10, 2005 7:17 am

Well, I guess I get to be the devil's advocate.

When I was a kid I really wasn't that enthusiastic about TFs because they were all pretty much bricks with oddly proportioned arms and legs. For poseability and playability, Ninja Turtles and GI Joe were much better. I actually liked the Action Masters better than the regular TFs because they were A) cartoon accurate and B) were more articulated.

I still have my Action Master Bumblebee, and the only G1 toy I own is a pretender Bumblebee. I'm a bit baffled as to why anyone buys the reissues, because they're all tiny little bricks with midgety arms and heads.

The G1 reissues are ludicrously overpriced, and that's money that I would much rather spend on Energon, Universe, and GF toys.

And to answer the other question, yes, the Action Master accessories were sorta like Minicons.

-J

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Wed May 11, 2005 8:04 am

I have to chime in and say I agree; I recall that as a kid, once the Action Master toys came out, they were certainly played with a lot more than most of my earlier, 'brick' Transformers. I liked them, and their little companions/equipment quite a lot. I recall pitting them against my GI Joe/Action Force figures quite regularly.

I also recall Action Master Blaster being one of my very favouritist toys because I never had the 'proper' Blaster toy and he was character I really liked.

Sure, I didn't really understand why they made 'transformers that didn't transform' when I was a kid and thought it was a weird idea, but I rated the toys. AMs and Micromasters all the way, baby.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:00 pm

Hey, I LOVED the Action Masters. I still have all of mine (pretty much the whole set - including the hard to find Bombshell). I thought it was great to have TFs that looked like their comic versions. And the individual figures were only £2.99 here. I had just started work and my parents gave me bus and lunch cash until my first wage. I'd go hungry for the day (or take sandwiches) and buy an Action Master every day of the week. The vehicles were a bit pump though, and I didn't like that Megatron and Prime didn't have their iconic weapons. Shockwave and Soundwave were the best. Although Blaster and Bumblebee were very close behind.

Ah, happy days...

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:04 pm

Hmm, guess I'm just bitter and good at holding a grudge.

Autobloke wrote:...I thought it was great to have TFs that looked like their comic versions...

Which is where the grudge came from. I convinced my dear mother to pick up a few on a singular store visit so long ago, was sooooo happy I had new Transformers that looked so much like what they SHOULD in robot mode, then once I opened'em up, starting reading the packaging and looking & toying around with the actual figures I was lost. I knew not of the comic series events leading to the line at the time and as such was stuck with the thought, "Transformers.....that don't.........transform.". I was pissed. Never got over it. Go figure.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:12 pm

I was about 16. I knew they couldn't transform before I bought them (not that they could AFTER either

) so I wasn't disappointed at all.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:47 am

I knew they didn't transform, and that's why I didn't buy them.