Transformer government

[bobaprime85]

A little something I've tossed around in my head when I get bored and now I've decided to submit it to the Court of TransFans.

Okay, we know that until they all got really dead, the Autobot council pretty much ran things with the "Prime" fulfilling a mostly "spiritual" role which amounted to keeping track of the Matrix. It wasn't until the war that the Prime became any kind of military commander, and it wasn't until Optimus that command held much actual weight behind it. Even then, OP had to contend with their wishes. Now, after Trannis (was it Trannis? I can't remember) ran roughshod over Iacon, the only remaining member of the council was Xaaron, who assumed whatever control there was left of the Autobots, but command seems to have been spaced out depending upon where you were. Guys like Fort Max pretty much ran their own show after that, it seems.

Anyway, when Prime woke up from his nap, he was now often referred to as the "leader" of the Autobots, even though Xaaron was still alive and kicking. So, shouldn't Prime technically be under Xaaron on some official level, or has total power basically been turned over to OP, in effect making him a bit of a dictator?

As for the Decepticons, I really don't know. It seems to be run mostly like an intergalactic pirate ship.

[Autobloke]

There were mentions of a Decepticon high command, but I don't see Megatron answering to anyone.

[Legion]

Wasn't Xaaron the like the only council member who wanted to hand control over to Prime anyway? Probably after the council got wiped out leaving Xaaron and Prime, Xaaron was probably only too happy to take a back seat behind Prime. The fact that for four million years Xaaron kept the troops going whilst Prime has his little kip has got nothing to do with it...

[Autobloke]

Xaaron: replaced by Alpha Trion in ALL continuities now. Boooo!
Isn't Xaaron mostly just a mentor to Prime now? But still with command?

[Legion]

Xaaron: replaced by Alpha Trion in ALL continuities now. Boooo!
Isn't Xaaron mostly just a mentor to Prime now? But still with command?

Alpha who? *puttup*

Xaaron was in command of the cybertron bots up until he bought the um... Unicron "stare of much evilness" in EOE...

[Autobloke]

Xaaron rocked! Even for an old dude. Looked a bit like a gold Megatron with his mouth wired though...

[bobaprime85]

Xaaron: replaced by Alpha Trion in ALL continuities now. Boooo!
Isn't Xaaron mostly just a mentor to Prime now? But still with command?

Alpha who? *puttup*

Xaaron was in command of the cybertron bots up until he bought the um... Unicron "stare of much evilness" in EOE...

Xaaron had some control over the Cybertronian Autobots, but not enough to keep Fort Max from running away like a wuss.

There really isn't much in the way of a centralized Autobot government. Each little group just does its own thing, unless there are some off-panel strategy sessions we don't know about.

Oh, and Xaaron >>>>>>>>>>>..........>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alpha Trion

[Autobloke]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vector Prime?

[Metal Vendetta]

The Decepticon High Command was a triumverate who appointed Thunderwing. As for who the hell they were or where they went afterwards...well, who knows?

I always liked Xaaron's resemblance to Megatron. They were both older Transformers, and it seems natural that they should look a bit similar.

[Autobloke]

Brothers? One silver, one gold?

[bobaprime85]

Brothers? One silver, one gold?

Yuck, sounds like a bad DW plot.

Probably means they would have done something along those lines if it ever occurred to them.

[spiderfrommars]

The High Command were also mentioned in Enemy Action - they sent the Firecons to Earth to recruit Galvatron.

Basically, I reckon after Ratbat/Scorponok left, the high command kept central control of the Cybertronian 'cons. They appointed Legonis, Octus and Seizer to Helex, and eventually Thunderwing as Lord High Commander in Polyhex.

[Autobloke]

Brothers? One silver, one gold?

Yuck, sounds like a bad DW plot.

Probably means they would have done something along those lines if it ever occurred to them.

I was kidding. It's an awful idea alright.

[bobaprime85]

The High Command were also mentioned in Enemy Action - they sent the Firecons to Earth to recruit Galvatron.

Basically, I reckon after Ratbat/Scorponok left, the high command kept central control of the Cybertronian 'cons. They appointed Legonis, Octus and Seizer to Helex, and eventually Thunderwing as Lord High Commander in Polyhex.

Question is, why didn't we hear much about them afterwards? Could they maybe have been killed when Unicron attacked, and that's why they weren't mentioned as being with Bludgeon's squads that attacked Klo? Or any other time?

[spiderfrommars]

Maybe Thunderwing had them murdered.

[Autobloke]

I'd have thought that when Megatron returned to Cybertron he killed them all. They probably only formed the 'High Command' 'cos Megs was asleep on Earth for 4 million years and they wanted a bit of power.

[bobaprime85]

They probably only formed the 'High Command' 'cos Megs was asleep on Earth for 4 million years and they wanted a bit of power.

Well, to be fair, a High Command would really be somewhat necessary after Megatron dissappeared, along with Shockwave and a good chunk of the Decepticon hierarchy. The only way of sustaining the war effort, and such.

And they were probably killed by either Thunderwing or Megatron. Could make for a semi-interesting fanfic, if anyone's up to it.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Maybe Thunderwing had them murdered.

To the Thunderwing topic! *cues Thunderwing music which sounds a bit like 1960's Batman...*

[Legion]

I don't think Thunderwing had the balls to bite the hand that fed him... at least not pre-matrix and he didn't really get the chance post-matrix. Megs on the other hand... after his turning point in "Rise and Fall" he probably smited the high command and put himself back in the top spot of the heiracy.

[Guest]

Xaaron: replaced by Alpha Trion in ALL continuities now. Boooo!
Isn't Xaaron mostly just a mentor to Prime now? But still with command?

Alpha who? *puttup*

Xaaron was in command of the cybertron bots up until he bought the um... Unicron "stare of much evilness" in EOE...

Xaaron had some control over the Cybertronian Autobots, but not enough to keep Fort Max from running away like a wuss.

There really isn't much in the way of a centralized Autobot government. Each little group just does its own thing, unless there are some off-panel strategy sessions we don't know about.

No, you've got it right.

Following the fall of Iacon, the Autobots went from defensive to guerilla tactics, with each now-isolated pocket forming its own resistance movement. Xaaron, probably believed dead by the majority of Cybertron, would've only been leader of a single group.

[Legion]

Following the fall of Iacon, the Autobots went from defensive to guerilla tactics, with each now-isolated pocket forming its own resistance movement. Xaaron, probably believed dead by the majority of Cybertron, would've only been leader of a single group.

True, but after Max wimped out and Perceptor and co relocated to Earth we didn't see any other Cybertronian Autobot forces. Even when Prime returned to Cybertron (briefly) and galvanised the autobot forces we only see Xaaron's group... and later during the Matrix quest, we only see Xaaron's group, i reckon that around the time they learnt that Prime was still alive, the autobot forces began to concolidate under Xaaron.

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[bobaprime85]

Y'know, one would think that Prime would have put some effort into forming some kind of centralized Autobot government, especially when guys like Fort Max and Grimlock came under his command on Earth. Perhaps they simply had too little material to back the effort a push like that would require? Still, it would seem like a newly-minted central government with guys like Optimus Prime and Xaaron would do a heck of a lot to energize moral, at the very least. If I were the PR guy for the Autobots, I would be shouting something like that from the rooftops.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

The Wreckers dont wear Autobot badges... so they were Mercs, under Xarrons controll.. strange..

[jboyler]

I always equated Xaaron to an important executive and Prime to be the actual military commander.

And it is true that the different groups seem to run themselves autonomously. However, this is true whenever you have a rebel-guerilla type structure. Decentralization is always important to avoid getting your tucus stomped.

-J

[Bouncelot]

Following the fall of Iacon, the Autobots went from defensive to guerilla tactics, with each now-isolated pocket forming its own resistance movement. Xaaron, probably believed dead by the majority of Cybertron, would've only been leader of a single group.

True, but after Max wimped out and Perceptor and co relocated to Earth we didn't see any other Cybertronian Autobot forces. Even when Prime returned to Cybertron (briefly) and galvanised the autobot forces we only see Xaaron's group... and later during the Matrix quest, we only see Xaaron's group, i reckon that around the time they learnt that Prime was still alive, the autobot forces began to concolidate under Xaaron.

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I reckon the consolidation happened a bit earlier than that - Xaaron seems to have been the top dog in the resistance movement during Target: 2006. Probably he sent guys off to start resistance groups around Cybertron, and tried to establish links with any existing resistance movements. Remember the 'cons wanted to kill everyone but Xaaron in the last part of Target: 2006? Presumably he knew more about the various resistance groups than all those leaders supposedly at the conference combined.

Of course, with the return of Prime, it would have been a lot easier to start consolidating things - after all, Prime was THE legendary Autobot hero, and the perfect figurehead around which to consolidate the movement. I'm guessing that Xaaron, wily buzzard that he was, used Prime's return to consolidate control in his own hands, as Prime was obviously too busy with the situation on Earth. And he probably hushed up Prime's death in Afterdeath as well.

[Legion]

And he probably hushed up Prime's death in Afterdeath as well.

He might not even have been aware of it... the 'bots weren't in contact really with Cybertron at that point, the only link with Prime and Cybertron was the Matrix Flame... which wouldn't have gone out as we all found out later, the Matrix was alive and well and travelling through space to VsQs...

[Autobloke]

And he probably hushed up Prime's death in Afterdeath as well.

He might not even have been aware of it... the 'bots weren't in contact really with Cybertron at that point, the only link with Prime and Cybertron was the Matrix Flame... which wouldn't have gone out as we all found out later, the Matrix was alive and well and travelling through space to VsQs...

Yeah, the Matrix flame only went out when Prime was mass-displaced to that other dimension in Target: 2006.
Hey, wouldn't that flame have been an inexhaustable source of energy, sustained as it was by the Matrix? They could have made little energon cubes from that flame.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

sacrilege!!

[Autobloke]

But, y'know - in a crisis. When energy was low.

[bobaprime85]

sacrilege!!

Impy-speak for "A great idea!"