Do sparks make sense?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:18 pm

Makes you think. Fort Max was a huge Autobot asset, I'm surprised they didn't just stick his old head back on or find a new partner. Letting him gather dust... irrational.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:11 pm

Remember, Spike's onyl commitment to the Autobots was to find and save Buster, that's the entire reason he became a Headmaster.

It's rare to find someone who joins up with a cause for their own agenda, and once they finish that agenda they simply leave as easy as that. It was a very understandable and human thing to do, not everyone can become pure-hearted saviors of the Universe. Not his fault they couldn't find anyone else to merge Max with.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:50 pm

As we're currently on the subject of Headmasters, what happened to the original heads? Are they still on Nebulos? Sometimes it's explained that the original heads were rebuilt to make the exosuits (as in the cartoon), but the bonded Nebs were happily chatting to the heads in the comic in one scene. Did they take the heads when they left, and if so, where'd they go? If they did, why not reinstall the heads when they left the planet?
And, getting back to the main topic, how does all this jibe with the concept of sparks? If a Headmaster Nebulan dies, is the bonded TF affected sparkwise?
And yes, Spike was such a dick in his partnership with Fort Max. If a TF can change his HM partner (Galen to Spike), why didn't FM just find a more willing partner to replace the selfish tit?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:38 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:It was a very understandable and human thing to do, not everyone can become pure-hearted saviors of the Universe.

I actually agree with that. It was quite realistic, not everyone wants to be a superhero.

Plus he did the right thing in the end, giving his life for the cause.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:10 pm

I think the orginal heads are part of the body suit, they use an anal probe to gather power from the nebulans...

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:15 pm

Brings a whole new meaning to 'head' master.
I'm still certain that the post-bonded Nebulans had a scene where they talked to the removed heads in the four part comic. Of course I haven't seen the issue for ages (I bought the Titan reprint, but not read it yet), so perhaps I mis-remembered it.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:02 pm

Even if they did, I think that Bob retconned his own work so that the heads were integrated into the bio-bonding suits the organic partners wore. The whole 'original heads are still somewhere' thing was ignored after Issue #2 of the Headmasters comic.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:40 pm

I'm not sure if 'ignoring' something and going with a whole new explanation is retconning it as I didn't see any subsequent metion of the heads as part of the suit. Then again, hindsight is a bugger if a cartoon/comic story is already out in the public when a better solution comes along - we fans just moan about the inconsistencies regardless. Not complaining though - I just missed out on the revised suit/head explanation thing somewhere along the line. Works much better the new way.
So, where ARE the HM TF sparks then? In the suits? Or, if BW and BM is to be believed, in the chest - which means that a HM could have his Neb partner blown up and still survive the unfortunate matter.
Hmm... applying spark rules to old TF stories is kinda complicated after a while, isn't it?

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:53 pm

Anyways, about them not using Fort Max again after Underbase, I don't think it was JUST because Spike left. I think Fort Max's body itself was still badly damaged from fighting Starscream, remember that the Headmasters and Powermasters Nebulan and Human components survived, but their robots boides were all still wrecks. It wasn't until later on in the sereis most were revived. Since Fort Max's body was bigger and more powerful, and it took a long time to repair less fatal damage (he was still weak for a while after his fight with Shockwave) so maybe they just didn't have the time to fix him, which is why he was such a wreck in "The Last Autobot" and the beginning of G2.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:53 pm

Or maybe he was such a wreck at the beginning of G2 because Megatron did his utmost to wreck him (as he said he did!), and during the Last Autobot, because he was a passenger on a crashed spacecraft?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:46 pm

And he seemed in fine condition in Man in the Machine.