Transformers is the 37th best cartoon ever, apparently.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:45 am

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/t ... sults.html

I suppose the Beast Wars series bumps up it's quality somewhat, as the original G1 show didn't have much going for it other than some memorable voice acting and that transforming sound.

Do you think it's placing is justified?

Now, if it was Top 100 toys I think the TFs would derseve to be in the Top 10, but Top 100 Comics? I fear TFs wouldn't make the grade...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:51 am

I like their disclaimer:

Poll is indicitive of the opinions of those people who both knew about it and were in a position to vote; as well as being compiled from a subjective shortlist of a hundred nominations decided upon by a bloke with ten minutes to come up with an idea to plug a hole in our schedule.

"Reality is a choice, Wesley. You see what you wanna see and I see what I wanna see."

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:05 am

Ah.

I just read about that list on he-man.org. Apparently they made fun about just about all of the cartoons and just sawed em down, and saw it like spoof. Made those british f*cks (bloody bollocks named channel4 is a british channel innit? I believe they said so in the other place, that and that you talk about it all the time..)

should have considered the fact of doing an acctual list of the greatest cartoons ever, and list their strengths and why they should be in the list, but nooooooo...

I believe that the list was compiled by people voting on the internet. I see nothing wrong with that, as the greatness of a cartoon is also judged by it's popularity.

Gonna check that list out now, and come back and rant and rant & rant some even more.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:21 am

Why are you so angry, Preds? I don't follow. Oh, and dog's bollocks means really good.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:25 am

I just felt as if they were showing alot of disrespect for these cartoons, as if there had never been any good about any cartoon ever made. I suppose I fired myself up a bit too much I guess. I tend to do that for some reason.

Dogs-bollocks was the good one? Slag. I knew that, 51st State & all: "So dogs-bollocks is the good bollocks?" I'll correct it.

Oh, and... *clicks link*

EDIT: That list is a swizz-cheese of errors! And why on earth is animated movies included in the list?? South Park shouldn't be that high!

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:11 pm

I have to disagree. South Park is one of the finest animated series/movies I have ever seen and long may it continue to reign over us.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:15 pm

Hmm...

well it is supremely successful, so I suppose your right.

Oh well, personal preference and all that.

Snowcat · Post by **Snowcat** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:20 pm

I think the point is here, that yes, it was voted 37th in the poll, which is a great thing, because it wasn`t even on the original shortlist, so people`s opinions DID count when the voting took place, but the programme didn`t reflect this.

The "celebrities and experts" (so quoted because I didn`t know who the hell they were) that commented on the cartoon slagged it completely, saying that it wasn`t memorable, and that the toys were crap anyway.

Shows what they know. 21 years after their original release, and they`re still going strong. The stuff they commented that they DID like (mainly Disney bollocks) was all MUCH lower down, so it seems the public don`t really like Disney as much as they`d like to think.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:31 pm

Snowcat wrote:and that the toys were crap anyway.

Nooo!

*hugs his unposeable Prowl reissue*

*hears a snap*

*goes off to buy some superglue*

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:51 pm

Snowcat wrote:
The "celebrities and experts" (so quoted because I didn`t know who the hell they were) that commented on the cartoon slagged it completely, saying that it wasn`t memorable, and that the toys were crap anyway.

Did they show clips from Beast Wars or the movie?

Snowcat wrote: The stuff they commented that they DID like (mainly Disney bollocks) was all MUCH lower down, so it seems the public don`t really like Disney as much as they`d like to think.

Thats probably fair comment, though Jungle Book is still a bit too low for my liking.

As are the non-Disney genius of Road Runner, Pink Panther and Top Cat. Oh well.

Snowcat · Post by **Snowcat** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:04 pm

They didn`t show either. They showed the tiniest bit of the opening titles, and a transformation sequence.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:37 pm

im happy we were there - we beat wacky racers anyhows!

Dogs bollox!

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:11 pm

I love Family Guy, but I don't think three seasons is enough to put it in the Top 5. I also thought King Of The Hill should have been rated higher, but I had a hard time putting it in front of anything that was above it.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:36 pm

No Evangelion? Cowboy Bebop? Tetsuwan atom??????

So I guess Foghorn Leghorn is better?

mwajajajajajaajajaj

Post by **snarl** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:27 pm

C4 always make **** programmes.

TF:TM should have been in there, that's the only good part of the cartoon other then the first 3 episodes.

The list is a load of ****, as are all C4s 'top 100s'

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:46 pm

when Star Wars got best film ever tho - I got to rub it in my Ex GF face. which was nice.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:06 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:when Star Wars got best film ever tho - I got to rub it in my Ex GF face. which was nice.

literally for figuratively?

Emperor_Starscream · Post by **Emperor_Starscream** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:52 am

The Last Autobot wrote:No Evangelion? Cowboy Bebop? Tetsuwan atom??????

So I guess Foghorn Leghorn is better?

mwajajajajajaajajaj

yeah ...but lion king a copy of simba the white lion is the 7 of the list

well i tink they dont include anime in that list exept the obvious ones like akira or princess mononoke or...pokemon? (that is not my idea of the greatest cartoon ever )
but i agree of south park be one of the greatest

Snowcat · Post by **Snowcat** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:12 pm

Emperor_Starscream wrote:
The Last Autobot wrote:No Evangelion? Cowboy Bebop? Tetsuwan atom??????

So I guess Foghorn Leghorn is better?

mwajajajajajaajajaj
yeah ...but lion king a copy of simba the white lion is the 7 of the list well i tink they dont include anime in that list exept the obvious ones like akira or princess mononoke or...pokemon? (that is not my idea of the greatest cartoon ever )
but i agree of south park be one of the greatest

Hehe, they had Legend of the Overfiend in there, that`s enough to piss Disney fans off, so that`s good enough for me.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:58 pm

the fact Shrek is in the top 10 tells you all you need to know...

Emperor_Starscream · Post by **Emperor_Starscream** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:28 am

well nothing piss off a disney fan like one of their princess being ataqued by a demon like the overfiend

hehehe the other day i see that picture ... i will nver see alice in the same way from now

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:20 pm

Meh, that list is also clearly mince due to the notable lack of The Dreamstone. Which ruled.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:04 pm

Yeah,

Dreamstone was awesome, in an uber-camp sorta way. I've only seen about half a season in total, bits there and there. But it's genuinely cool.

The Transformation/Creation of Zordrak is awesome.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:04 pm

Ah, so that was it! I saw that on Pro7 and never understood a thing of it, but the main villain was very cool-looking, and I loved that fish-dog...

Btw, did you notice... where is Ice Age?

Was far better then the Incredibles, which is propably on the upper regions only 'cause it has been in the cinemas not too long. Give it a few years and it will disappear, while Toy STory still holds it's place...

Also, I 'm mad for Monty Python, but unless you take Mr Gilliam's animations, it's not a cartoon, it's a film....

Edit: Just realised. Where is BATMAN TAS? I would have voted that one for sure.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:43 pm

Best First wrote:the fact Shrek is in the top 10 tells you all you need to know...

the fact Channel 4 compiled the top 100 tells you all you need to know...

Snowcat · Post by **Snowcat** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:39 am

Exactly. Nothing but the Simpsons was ever going to be No.1, seeing as C4 has to push it and push it.

The fact that the TFs were in there at all is bloody amazing, they weren`t even in the original nominations.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:10 pm

Top 100 cartoons. CARTOONS dammit! Not CGI - that isn't a cartoon - so bugger off Shrek, Toy Story et al. Although, no Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within? Yeah, it was crap, but it LOOKED nice. And how can the poor old TF TV series, made on an entire budget of 5p, compete with multi-million dollar Disney movies? Movies aren't cartoons either - they're animated FEATURES! If this was the allowable criteria, then at least judge Transformers by the friggin' movie. And Tom and Jerry at number two? I suppose the number was apt in some respects, if you know what I mean.

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Transformers is the 37th best cartoon ever, apparently.

37th? Thiry-bloody-seventh!?!