Nominate a leader!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:39 pm

Can you think of any Autobots or Decepticons that were never leaders but would have done a damn fine job?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:49 pm

Mirage and Thundercracker. They would have organised peace before you knew it.

Or not.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:24 pm

i think Jazz would have been an ok leader.

altho Furman did a slightly nasty job of doing down everyone from the original crew except Prime in some ways.

Hotspot seemed like he had what it took.

lots of chars have nice bios that suggest stroong leaership potential taht we never saw much of in any continuity - Electro and Countdown (ignoring his appalling characterisation in MM) for example.

We neevr saw magnus lead in the comics did we? Oh, except for the appalling Movie adaption.

From the Deceps... Icepick seemed quite switched on in Rythems of Darkness - probably not hat imposing physically tho, which may be a problem for a con. Again i am sure there are characters whose tech specs implied leadership potential but i'm running low on ideas as to who at the moment.

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:26 pm

Autobots: Jazz, Kup, Blaster (Budiansky version).

Decepticons: Carnivac, Onslaught, Razorclaw.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:52 pm

I would've loved to see Blaster lead after all that Spacehiker/Grimlock nonsense.

But then I guess he's a bit of a lone ranger type... perhaps it wouldn't have worked.

Ratchet would've been interesting.

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:00 pm

I agree, Ratchet seems to embody all of Prime's ideal.

-J

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:24 pm

springer lead the wreckers pretty well, i think ppl would follow him.

not sure about the cons, as thier primary role was mainly 'warrior' not many of them exhibt leadership qualitys

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:48 pm

Blaster/Ravage

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:48 pm

Definitely Ratchet for the Autobots. I'm truly surprised it never came to be given his character. Kup was too ruthless at times to be an Autobot leader in my honest opinion.

Decepticon? That's tough. The greats had it, even when fleeting. Megs, Scorpinok, Shockwave, Bludgeon (should've been given more of a chance damnit!), Straxus (and in an interesting way as far as I'm concerned), even Soundwave. Don't really know. Other than giving a sub-team leader some spotlight for a chance and new characterization, I don't really have another to add to the list.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:26 pm

What about Jetfire? Was he ever a leader? If Shockwave and Perceptor could do it, I'm sure he could.

It's easy to go around and suggest all of the gestalt leaders on both sides, but I think the aforementioned Hot Spot and Razorclaw would be the best, although Hot Spot did tend to get Magnusy at times.

As far as Deceps, I also agree with Senior that everyone who had a shot got a shot. I guess I would say Trypticon, because he was shown to be a relatively smart guy whenever he got some lines, and if Fortress Maximus and Scorpy can do it, why not ol' Tryppers?

I think of Rachet, Grimlock, and Optimus Prime on a spectrum. Grimlock is a warrior, first and foremost, but he's learning compassion. Ratchet is compassionate first and foremost, but he's learning to be a warrior. Optimus is, of course, the happy medium.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:26 pm

Shanti418 wrote:What about Jetfire? Was he ever a leader? If Shockwave and Perceptor could do it, I'm sure he could.

During Target 2006 in Prime's absence Jetfire made a couple of dodgy command decisions. I think he blew it there and then.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:34 pm

J'muk.

You can't argue with "You no go into zombieland, you no get killed by zombie." now, can you?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:46 pm

is it just me, but the badass Perceptor we first see on Cybertron get really like dummed down shortly after , well the first frame he tells the autobots to fire on galvatron...

Warcry · Post by **Warcry** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:52 am

For the Decepticons:

Bugly. He can control others' minds and shoot lightning bolts from his fingertips, amongst other arcane powers. His function is strategist, with a skill rating of 9. So he's got martial skill and the firepower to back it up. He's also something of a prick, but if the Decepticons would follow Ratbat I can't see that being a problem.

Spinister. Smart, skilled, and he actually seemed to care about his fellow Decepticons some of the time.

Autobots:

I'll echo the previous sentiments about Springer.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:14 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:is it just me, but the badass Perceptor we first see on Cybertron get really like dummed down shortly after , well the first frame he tells the autobots to fire on galvatron...

totally - i remember when Prime died and they were all 'ooh! who shall lead?' and i thouht - well Perecptor, obvioulsy. but no one even suggested it, even tho he was leading a whole resistenc cell on Cybertron only a few issues previoulsy.

Not convinced about Springer mind.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:21 am

I think Blaster and Perceptor would make a great joint leadership, with Perceptor in charge of tactics and intelligence and Blaster in charge of kicking ass and pwning Decepticons. I'd also like to see Springer in charge as long as he doesn't pull the Rodimus-esque "Oh I'll never be as good as Impactor" City of Fear-era crap. Oh, and Impactor, obviously. Magnus would be interesting.

For the Decepticons, well, Warcry's Bugly sounds interesting. Maybe Snarler (if Carnivac hadn't crushed him flat) would be another possible choice...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:24 am

Warcry wrote:
Spinister. Smart, skilled, and he actually seemed to care about his fellow Decepticons some of the time.

Good call.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:52 am

Wow, some great ideas, guys.
I like the Spinister and Perceptor suggestions. They're sub-unit commanders who could totally step up to a bigger position.

I also think Razorclaw being in charge of the Deceps is an interesting proposition....

And Ratchet, he is rather almost an 'ideal' Autobot, you get the idea he'd make a great leader if it ever came down to such dire straits.

I would have liked to have seen Jazz make some decisions and have a bit of authority that didn't result in him getting wounded every 5 minutes.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:04 pm

Guzzle!

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:18 pm

Soundwave would make the best Decepticon Leader. Whenever he was temporarily in charge he did a fine job. And he is not the unstable powerhungry dictator that so many other deceps are. With him I think the decepticons could win the war.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:04 pm

Umm, Soundwave was Decepticon Leader, several times, in fact, in the UK comic.

Post by **Best First** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:10 pm

The only problem with almost all the suggestions is they are only any good if Op and Megs aren't in place on the other side.

If they are... squishy squishy.

Altho Blaster could probably kick Megs off a bridge or something. In fact, that i would love to see...

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:57 pm

Ratchet gets my vote, Perceptor would also be excellent. Magnus is clearly the next best thing to Prime though. Did Ironhide get to lead? I don't think he ever got a good deal in the comic but its quite clear he would make a decent stand in.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:15 am

Hound wrote:Ratchet gets my vote, Perceptor would also be excellent. Magnus is clearly the next best thing to Prime though. Did Ironhide get to lead? I don't think he ever got a good deal in the comic but its quite clear he would make a decent stand in.

I dont know about Ironhide, too bullheaded to lead I believe. Plus would be busy looking down on everyone, like Kup

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:05 pm

Best First wrote:The only problem with almost all the suggestions is they are only any good if Op and Megs aren't in place on the other side.

If they are... squishy squishy.

Altho Blaster could probably kick Megs off a bridge or something. In fact, that i would love to see...

You will, if Ages of Wrath will ever get finished... Furman hinted at a battle between those two.

I can imagine gestalt leaders leading smaller contingents, then slowly rise to power...

How about Hun-Grrr? Too bad he never got any character development, but he could be the Con version of Grimlock. Smart guy, but everybody thinks he's stupid 'cause all he does is eat...

Trypticon is too cynical to try to get the position, but I'd like to see him do it. Pershaps he knows it's not worth the trouble.

Onslaught is another choice I'd like to see...

On the bot side, Kup would work nice (comic version). And although he doesn't seem to know it, Swoop has some potential as well.

anna · Post by **anna** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:18 pm

ironhide and cyclonus

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:28 pm

Omega supreme! - or was he big and thus stupid as character creation rules dictate?

I liked the pairing of Cyclonus and Scourge, they had the muscle to lead.

Ironhide sort of led in Target2006, hell it was his plan to dig up Megatron and Soundwave. risky but clever...

Snowcat · Post by **Snowcat** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:02 pm

Ironhide`s a follower, not a leader. Ratchet wouldn`t have done too badly though, IMHO.

For the `cons, hmm, it`s a tricky one, but I always felt Scorponok did quite well during his tenure. And to this day, he`s the only `con leader to have the Autobots surrender to him.

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:15 pm

Autobots: Magnus

I think in the movie he was chucked way in the deep end. Even Prime fell during the start of the film. The bot is looked up to by many of his comrades, he can beat Megs, he can even step up to Galvatron and ok he never quite manages it (or did he once?)

Anyway I think the honour and responsebility of leadership, would give him the fire in his belly he needs to even beat down Galvy too.

Also, I always believed that if Punk Rod hadn't of picked up the Matrix first, Magnus would've been powered up like a MOFO. I just think the Matrix mistook Hotrod as the barer (spelling??) that Prime had chosen. Can you imagine a Matrix powered Magnus, game over ALL ARE ONE.

Decepticons: Grimlock

(OK I think he only joined the cons in DW, maybe once in the cartoon, I'm not really up to scratch on the Marvel stuff)

But the guy can duke it out with the best and he isn't all that thick at all. Plus it would lead nicely to BW megs (As I believe he isn't G1 megs, just takes on the monichor/mantle?)

Well love 'em or hate them, they're my choices and I'll stand by them or maybe behind 'em.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:29 pm

the Matrix chose Hot Rod, didnt matter what Prime chose

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