Fight! Death's Head Vs Grimlock!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:57 pm

These two popular, charasmatic and well 'ard characters have never come to blows before. But if they did, who'd win?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:15 pm

Ooh, now this is a toughie.

Well, considering that Death's Head took on Roddy, Galvatron and Unicron single-handedly, while Grimlock likes to work with his Dino-buddies, it's not really. But it'd still be worth the entry fee!

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:21 pm

Come on! Death's Head is a midget! He's not even a real character!

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:21 pm

as rebis said.. DH has taken on the likes of Galvy, Roddy, Cyclonus & Scourge, Soundwave and Bumblebee *snicker* before and done pretty well... i think it would be a bloody good fight, but i think DH would manage to pull it out of the bag...

Post by **Computron** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:26 pm

Grimlock is a badass, but in the end DH has more "kills" to his credit.

Now DH vs. Ultra Magnus (Angry Magnus, not angst Magnus) is a fight for the ages.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:32 pm

Death's Head has easily got the brains outsmart Grimlock. Hell, the rubber carrot stress-toy on my desk has got the brains to outsmart Grimlock.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:37 pm

Deaths Head - hes just got the killer touch.

as for not being a real chracter? why because he wasnt in the cartoon? ok all characters in the cartoon not in the comic are not real either.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:57 pm

Which Grimlock?
WW=DH
Gen 1 < DH
Nucleon > DH
Super Intelligent > DH
Movie <DH

Blacksword · Post by **Blacksword** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:30 pm

Like OPR said, depends which Grimlock. Over the run of the comic up to G2 Grimlock developed greatly, both in strength and durability (mainly through the nucleon effect) but more critically in wisdom, guile and good judgement. Prime didn't pick Grimlock as his successor because he was a chump, Grimlock still needs some work but has tons of potential.

So G1 Grimlock gets whomped but its a decent fight
Nucleon Grimlock fights DH to a draw.
G2 Grimlock wins by a slim margin.

And IMHO that fight between Galvy and DH wasn't as close as it looked. There are a good few TFs who can put Galvy down. But that's the easy part, it's getting him to stay down that's nearly impossible. Had the time machine not warped DH back to the future there would have been bits of him strewn everywhere in a few more moments. He held his own for a good while and that puts him in elevated company, but no way he wins that fight. Besides is Galvy's neural cluster likely to be any less armoured than the rest of him?

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:49 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: as for not being a real chracter? why because he wasnt in the cartoon? ok all characters in the cartoon not in the comic are not real either.

Deal!

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:15 am

Was Wheelie in the comic?

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:52 am

Dylan wrote:Come on! Death's Head is a midget! He's not even a real character!

interestingly both comments that can be applied to Dylan...

Grimlock would win somehow beause no doubt Furman would write it. yay.

Osku · Post by **Osku** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:00 am

Optimus Prime's Rib wrote:Which Grimlock?
WW=DH
Gen 1 < DH
Nucleon > DH
Super Intelligent > DH
Movie <DH

Against which Death´s Head? Original or the abomination called Death´s Head II?

G1 < DH2
Nucleon < DH2 ?
Movie < DH2
TWW > DH2 (See below. Furman reason, likes Grimlock, hates DH2.)
Dreamwave < DH2

Best First wrote:Grimlock would win somehow beause no doubt Furman would write it. yay.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:02 am

Blacksword wrote: And IMHO that fight between Galvy and DH wasn't as close as it looked. There are a good few TFs who can put Galvy down. But that's the easy part, it's getting him to stay down that's nearly impossible. Had the time machine not warped DH back to the future there would have been bits of him strewn everywhere in a few more moments. He held his own for a good while and that puts him in elevated company, but no way he wins that fight. Besides is Galvy's neural cluster likely to be any less armoured than the rest of him?

Yeah i agree. for instance i think my own large frame and 15 stone weight is probably enough to knock the WWE wrestler the Undertaker over. how long i survive after that is another matter.... *snap*

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:02 am

Best First wrote:
Dylan wrote:Come on! Death's Head is a midget! He's not even a real character!
interestingly both comments that can be applied to Dylan...

Grimlock would win somehow beause no doubt Furman would write it. yay.

bearing in mind Furman loves DH more than anything else (including The Engine, and THAT is saying something!)

that's why i relish bringing up DH being turned into DH2 at Transforce, it's worth it just to see Simon's expression sour!

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:15 am

Best First wrote:
Dylan wrote:Come on! Death's Head is a midget! He's not even a real character!
interestingly both comments that can be applied to Dylan...

Indeed! And we all know I hate competition!

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:32 am

Dylan wrote:
Best First wrote:
Dylan wrote:Come on! Death's Head is a midget! He's not even a real character!
interestingly both comments that can be applied to Dylan...
Indeed! And we all know I hate competition!

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:24 pm

damn unreal midgits...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:44 pm

Obfleur wrote:Was Wheelie in the comic?

Only in Space Pirates. And that may have been too much exposure for most people's liking.

BlackZarak · Post by **BlackZarak** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:15 am

Odds are that Death's Head wouldn't fight Grimlock unless he was hired to do so. In that case, DH would study his quarry, and learn his strengths and weaknesses and exploit them to the fullest to get the job done.

Hands down it would be Death's Head that would win.

If you think Furman loves Grimlock so much that he wouldn't kill him, you'd better read "Alignment" and "Reaching the Omega Point".

I got to talk to him about DH2, and he wasn't happy about what they did to DH, which is why he wrote the "What If..." issue, showing how he would have handled it. That's the reality I hold as Death's Head canon.

Need more proof that DH would win?
Shockwave mopped the floor with ALL of the Dinobots, and Death's Head killed Shocky like he was nothing.

The only way Grimlock would survive is if he offered to pay DH more to kill whomever put the hit out on Grim to begin with.

In that case, Blaster would probably die. heh

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:48 am

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BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:39 am

Heh... "Of course".

How typical Grimlock. I read that page some time ago.

But all in all, consider that Simon never killed GRimlock in an official comic so far (only Budiansky did). Of course given the hints he dropped, I guess this will happen in TWW Vol.3....

On the other hand, poor DH was killed more often then it's healthy, yes?

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:58 am

BB Shockwave wrote:Heh... "Of course". How typical Grimlock. I read that page some time ago.

But all in all, consider that Simon never killed GRimlock in an official comic so far (only Budiansky did). Of course given the hints he dropped, I guess this will happen in TWW Vol.3....

On the other hand, poor DH was killed more often then it's healthy, yes?

Under Furman's writing, I can't think of many occurances?

He was sent offline by Dragon's Claw, but that's about it AFAIK (and I did own/read them all).

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:59 pm

yeah, afaik the only time DH was actually killed was by Minion... and that was written by Dan Abnett (wasn't it? i hope i'm right about that, otherwise i've been disliking the wrong dude for too many years).
Mind you, it wasn't the killing that riled me (that much) it was the complete raping of the character for DHII. I mean, they'd have been better off completely not using DH at all and just have Minion have become sentient on his own.... but anyway...

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:02 pm

Legion wrote:yeah, afaik the only time DH was actually killed was by Minion... and that was written by Dan Abnett (wasn't it? i hope i'm right about that, otherwise i've been disliking the wrong dude for too many years).
Mind you, it wasn't the killing that riled me (that much) it was the complete raping of the character for DHII. I mean, they'd have been better off completely not using DH at all and just have Minion have become sentient on his own.... but anyway...

yeah it was a ridiculous use of DH- essentially they only had him in it at all because they wanted to use his name for a different character. ******* stupid.

essentially his sole purpose in being in that dumbass comic was so they could rename 'minion' to 'Death's Head'.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:56 am

Oops. I didn'T know that.

I only managed to download a few issues of the "Complete DH" from the web. I thought Simon wrote him to the end...

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Fight! Death's Head Vs Grimlock!

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