What ifs

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:20 pm

Following from another topic - Marvel sometimes run a comic line called 'what if....'

for instance 'what if the sentiels ruled earth' - or somthing like that, essentially storys which fork from an orginal plot in a new direction.

for example

'What if Xarron had been assinated?"

Ok so theres one idea, what can everyone else think of, and more importantly, what would have happened?

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:40 pm

Best one is clearly... What if Galvatron had not come back in time?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:46 pm

he would have been a pawn to Unicron? cybertron found earlier?

'what if megatron had killed scourge aswell as cyclonus?"

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:47 pm

Galvatron had to go back in time, because by that point the later versions Cyclonus and Scourge were already running about in Earth's present. I mean past. Or whatever. And they had already timejumped the first time, meaning that Galvatron had to timejump the first time to avoid throwing the entire universe into disarray and I think my brain just imploded again...

"What if DW had concentrated on their finances rather than running 127 variant covers in a botched attempt to increase revenue?"

Ahem.

"What if José Delbo had been a really good penciller?"

"What if Bob Budiansky hadn't stopped trying after a dozen issues?"

"What if Starscream's grand strategy in the Movie hadn't been 'run away the moment we get a clear advantage'?"

"What if Megatron hadn't killed Bludgeon?"

"What if The Last Autobot was just a myth and wasn't actually real?"

"What if Optimus Prime never went into that bloody video game?"

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:05 pm

Brendocon wrote:Galvatron had to go back in time, because by that point the later versions Cyclonus and Scourge were already running about in Earth's present. I mean past. Or whatever. And they had already timejumped the first time, meaning that Galvatron had to timejump the first time to avoid throwing the entire universe into disarray and I think my brain just imploded again...

Ah, but Cyclonus and Scourge were only already in the past because they'd been pushed through Unicron's Time Ring (c)... which he had built to retreive Galvatron from the past... so if galvatron had to go back in time because cyc and scourge were already there then he wouldn't have gone back and unicron wouldn't have built his Time Ring (c) and so Cyc and scourge wouldn't have gone back in time, so he wouldn't have either... *head implodes*

how about a "What If... Hotrod hadn't killed Prime in the movie timeline"?

or "What If... the Autobots had made use of Omega Supreme's abilities after he'd proved himself in "Command Decision?" (not a catchy title I know, but that fact has always bugged me).

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:25 pm

What if circuit breaker died in the hospital?

What if Death's head never jumped through Unicron's time portal?

What if Furman wrote the G1 cartoon episodes?

What if Scorponok never formed a alliance with Optimus Prime?

What if Straxus successfully took over Megatron's body?

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:34 pm

Stormwolf wrote:What if circuit breaker died in the hospital?

What if Death's head never jumped through Unicron's time portal?

What if Furman wrote the G1 cartoon episodes?

What if Scorponok never formed a alliance with Optimus Prime?

What if Straxus successfully took over Megatron's body?

"That man must be butter... ...cause he's on a roll."

Here's one: "What if the Disciples of Unicron had been successful in assassinating Optimus Prime?"

gforce99 · Post by **gforce99** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:37 pm

Interesting what ifs. Although to be honest I am little lost in the TF US/Marvel, TF UK and TF DW stories so I am not sure which stories you are all referencing.

I do remember the Galvatron back in time story (circa TF US ~60-70 roughly).
This Galvatron was from an alternate future where Unicron toasted Cybertron and the Cons took over Earth.

He was the one that merged with Megatron and fought Rachet, correct?

BTW is Ratchet still dead by the end of G2?

veritech · Post by **veritech** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:49 pm

gforce99 wrote:Interesting what ifs. Although to be honest I am little lost in the TF US/Marvel, TF UK and TF DW stories so I am not sure which stories you are all referencing.

I do remember the Galvatron back in time story (circa TF US ~60-70 roughly).
This Galvatron was from an alternate future where Unicron toasted Cybertron and the Cons took over Earth.

He was the one that merged with Megatron and fought Rachet, correct?

BTW is Ratchet still dead by the end of G2?

Well, we never see Ratchet in G2, so yes, I assume that he died when he rammed the Ark into the Earth at the end of G1. but I could never understand why Ratchet died but Megatron survives . . . he always survives somehow.

Also, I think that Ironhide bought it in G2 also.

gforce99 · Post by **gforce99** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:00 pm

Galvatron and Megatron were split...what happened to Galvy?

veritech · Post by **veritech** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:31 pm

In US G1 "The Last Autobot", Galvatron was given a severe beating by Fort Max and then tossed by the same into the freezing waters of Antarctica (?) never to be seen again!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:06 pm

veritech wrote:In US G1 "The Last Autobot", Galvatron was given a severe beating by Fort Max and then tossed by the same into the freezing waters of Antarctica (?) never to be seen again!

after surviving the a volcano, i expect a cooling off wouldnt do much

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:10 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
veritech wrote:In US G1 "The Last Autobot", Galvatron was given a severe beating by Fort Max and then tossed by the same into the freezing waters of Antarctica (?) never to be seen again!
after surviving the a volcano, i expect a cooling off wouldnt do much

Maybe it was his one top-secret weakness???

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:14 pm

Ever taken a cold shower? Shuts you down REAL quick like.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:19 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
veritech wrote:In US G1 "The Last Autobot", Galvatron was given a severe beating by Fort Max and then tossed by the same into the freezing waters of Antarctica (?) never to be seen again!
after surviving the a volcano, i expect a cooling off wouldnt do much

"Different Galvatron, I think."

Here's mine:

"What if Ultra Magnus and the Wreckers had assassinated Optimus Prime?"

"What if Wreck-Gar hadn't tagged along on a trip back in time?"

"What if Shockwave hadn't taken out the Autobots to begin his New Order?"

"What if Galvatron had gone back in time a few years further?"

"What if Shockwave had forged an alliance with Galvatron?"

"What if the Autobots hadn't blasted Prime's body into space?"

"What if Galvatron's superweapon had survived?"

"What if Circuit Breaker had reneged on her deal with the captured Autobots?"

"What if Scorponok had possessed the Underbase?"

"What if Optimus Prime had possessed the Underbase?"

"What if Megatron had possessed the Underbase?"

"What if Megatron had allied himself with Jhiaxus?"

"What if Shockwave hadn't ceded to Megatron after the Autobots stole combiner technology?"

"What if Jetfire had been given life as a Decepticon?"

"What if Swoop had 'survived' Guardian?"

I've got more, but I think others might want a chance to say "What if...?"

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:44 am

what if Skids hadnt gotten knocked out by someone breaking his windshield?

Oh yes, there wouldnt have been a reason to hate Skids..

gforce99 · Post by **gforce99** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:23 pm

Off-topic, sort of:
I was given Skids the toy when I was 9 for Christmas from my sister. He was my first Second Season toy and maybe because of that, I have always really liked Skids. All of my favorite TFs (and the ones I really wanted in the comics) were the same ones I could remember getting as a kid.
Were/Are any of you that way?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:46 pm

What if Spike hadn't binary bonded to Fort Max?

What if Shockwave had managed to extract the Matrix from Buster's head?

What if Staxus hadn't lost his head?

What if Ultra Magnus wasn't a hippy?

What if Daniel had never been born?

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:14 pm

Legion wrote:What if Spike hadn't binary bonded to Fort Max?

What if Shockwave had managed to extract the Matrix from Buster's head?

What if Staxus hadn't lost his head?

What if Ultra Magnus wasn't a hippy?

What if Daniel had never been born?

we could all have a coke and a smile?

oh yeah and Fort Max wouldnt have killed Spike

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:55 pm

Not such an old topic, and one that has almost limitless possibilities - so I thought I'd revive it. I know: I'm a scamp.

So, what if:
The Ark had recognised the organic life on Earth when it scanned the planet in 1984? (Beast/Human Wars?)
The Ark had landed on the Moon? They'd all be Moonlanders and Moonbuggies (or American flags).
Prime/Megatron had been beyond repair in 1984?
Fort Max had stayed on Cybertron/Nebulos?

Hmm... brainfreeze. Let me get back to you with more. It IS limitless - honest.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:38 am

What if Ultra Magnus, rather than Grimlock, had taken command of the Autobots after Prime died in a videogame?

What if Marvel hadn't decided Transformers wasn't in the Marvel Universe?

What if it had been Bumblebee who opened the Matrix in the Movie?

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:29 pm

Here's a scary one:
What if Dreamwave had been around in 1984 and got the license instead of Marvel? (shudder)

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:32 pm

Well, my guess is that they'd have done a good job becuase there'd be no past TF history for them to rip-off or mangle, and they'd be well accpeted by fans since there were no fanboys to piss all over them and talk of how great Furman et all were.

What if...BW Megatron had suceeded in killing Prime, and we had a storyline about the alternate future that resulted from it.

Imagine...."After Optimus: The Age of Unicron"

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:46 pm

ShadowSonic wrote: "After Optimus: The Age of Unicron"

Me likee.

You're right about the DW thing too - didn't think of it like that.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:03 pm

Yeah, at the Transfandom boards me and some other guys were discussing what if BW season 3 had been an "Age of Apocalypse" story about how BW Megs' plan affected the future. Basically, the war was still going on only the Bots and Cons had all split into many factions. One led by Blaster, another by Prowl, another by Grimlock.

The Cons were also split, since without Prime the Bots weren't such a big threat. Shockwave and Megs never had a reason to end their personal conflict and killed each other, Unicron had sensed the Matrix's destruction and was near Earth. Starscream agreed to become his vassal.

Then TM Primal would wake up from a 4 million year stasis lock to find the world in this condition, and learns that TM Megs had also hidden himself away and was now leading one of the Cons factions.

Eventually, Primal and Megs would end up in their own time period (the 300 years after the War time) but learned that without the Matrix to stop him Unicron destroyed Cybertron and was hunting all TFs down. So Primal would sacrifice himself to send BW Megs back in time to stop himself. BW Megs would do so, but then would die in the middle of transferring knowledge of how to save Prime to Primals' past self, and giving his younger self knowlegde of the horrible future his actions would cause.

Then, we'd get "Optimal Situation" and BW Megs' gradual insanity (leading up to BM Megatron) would be the result of his older self's memories conflicting with his current selfs' memories.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:12 pm

So, a kind of 'TV movie' situation, that ends as it began and doesn't affect the show's current continuity. You should write for the Simpsons.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:30 pm

Wasn't my idea. We all just thought it up as a sort of joke. Anywho, it would be a self-contained story with a beginning and an ending (Unicron about the kill off the last TFs when the time chnage happens).

I was thinking as an epilogue, we could have a fast-forward to the G1 time period where someone, maybe Ironhide, asks Prime if he thinks the war will ever end and if anything they do will matter in the future. Prime tells him that he's sure the war will end and that the descendants of Cybertron will be admirable figures, and the last scene would be a shot fo Prime remembering Primal saving him in the past.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:34 pm

Best stories sometimes come from joking about. Anyway, there are loads of opportunities in all TF series for great side-stories - just look at how well Target: 2006 fitted in.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:41 pm

Yeah, except there were some problems. What would keep the Bots from jsut destroying the gun after Galvatron left? If Unicron could mind-control guys in the past, why didn't he just influence Shockwave to destroy the Matrix when he had Prime?

But, a few nips and tucks and it's all good.

Anyways, as an opening for the "Age of Unicron" story I'd have Prime maybe observing a national park or something with Spike, talking about how beautiful Earth is compared to Cybertron's war-torn landscape, and how Prime hopes to restore it's beauty. Suddenly, a red energy wave that absorbing/changing everything it touches happens. When it hits Prime, he disappears, and suddenly the quiet park is now a battlefield, and Spike is now a soldier fighting, etc.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:49 pm

Y'see? This is what I like: ideas I can nick.

Only kidding - I have more than enough stories to fill a hundred comics. Or a few good books. (OL10 is coming...)

The 'BW Megs changes history' has as many possibilities as a 'What if?' topic.

Sorry, I just LOVE that emoticon.