Continuity.... where next?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:08 pm

Right... I had an idea for a poll, and I'd be interested in what everyone thinks.

So.... never mind who gets the licence next (assume its the best company). Never mind who writes/draws it (assume its the best creative teams out there)...

The one thing... the main thing is... which continuity do we use? eh?

I'm talking G1. I take it there will be a Cybertron comic at some point, though whether it is anything like Furman's original vision we'll have to wait and see.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:14 pm

It's a draw apparently. (Thanks to me!) And I say that both need be resolved. But I say we resolve the Dreamwave stuff first, being fresher and more tastily for Hasbro I believe.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:17 pm

Predabot wrote:I say that both need be resolved.

I agree, but its just honestly not practical is it?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:17 pm

I'm fairly tempted to say start over again... obviously in an ideal world we'd get a marvel G1/G2 continuation... but i can't ever see that happening... I do hope i'm wrong about that tho...

If handled correctly a reboot could be done brilliantly... DW kinda had some interesting ideas... but it wasn't really much of a reboot as they didn't start at the beginning.

My guess is that we will probably see a fresh reboot, one that ties into the new movie... although of course that probably means that it wouldn't be made until the film was released...

War Within is good, very good. It's probably my fave DWTF title, i'd love to see it being picked up in the future, but do the redesigned bots remain (c) of DW? or do they default back to Hasbro? (i'm thinking along the lines of the Impactor/Xaaron/Straxus thing that happened with DW/Marvel).

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:19 pm

I'd advocate starting from scratch. And working in one continuity, rather than a past and a present that seem to be working so hard to contradict each other. Probably begin in the past and take it from there.

I think the thing that hamstrung DW's Gen 1 so much was the whole "building towards a revised version of the movie" thing.

To me, it's a nice idea to just start with something basic and just see where it ends up, rather than trying to steer it to somewhere that's already been covered.

It would allow for actual interesting plot twists and more plausible character fates. Age of Wrath - Grimlock's death means pretty much nothing as we know he'll be back. Same goes for Prime and Megs' disappearances. Would eliminate such things as "but where were all the WW characters by the time we got to vol 2? Blah blah" kinda thing.

Obviously there'd be some overall plan of where it's going, but flexibility is nice. I've plotted longterm stories before and they almost never end up where I wanted them to in the actual realisation of it... mainly because I realise as it progresses that a lot of the ideas were actually impractical or weren't best suited for the long-term.

Whilst Mad Brick seemed to have some insane 25 year plan where everything was meticulously laid out and not to be deviated from, which resulted in him not actually paying attention to the in hand product. The big picture can be great, but the smaller picture is what actually matters in the now.

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Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:21 pm

I hate to say it, but i agree with Brend!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:21 pm

Id rather they just went back to where G2 etc left off.

If I want a fresh start then I can pick up armarda or somthing?

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:23 pm

Start again, the DW G1 ongoing writers have already messed up G1 too much to turn it into a good story.

Brad Mick used too much cartoon rubbish, it was so cartoony that they even got cancelled like the cartoon did

But seriously, start over and create a comic aimed at the comic fans.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:27 pm

i'd do it post g2 mainly as this would upset and overjoy all the right people.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:27 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
If I want a fresh start then I can pick up armarda or somthing?

Thats a good point actually. Hasbro continue to reboot the line, but for G1, comicwise, we had 8 years worth of Marvel continuity to be built upon.

I'm fairly confident Energon and War Within 3 will get wrapped up, probably in convention releases or something. That would be a result. But I think Mick/Patyk's extended G1 vision may never see the light of day.

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:32 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:But I think Mick/Patyk's extended G1 vision may never see the light of day.

So atleast one good thing has come from all of this

gforce99 · Post by **gforce99** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:45 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
If I want a fresh start then I can pick up armarda or somthing?
Thats a good point actually. Hasbro continue to reboot the line, but for G1, comicwise, we had 8 years worth of Marvel continuity to be built upon.

I'm fairly confident Energon and War Within 3 will get wrapped up, probably in convention releases or something. That would be a result. But I think Mick/Patyk's extended G1 vision may never see the light of day.

So were Energon and WW3 already created and they just haven't been published yet?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:49 pm

It's always been a tad unclear as to how far in advance things were prepared ahead of publication. The length of the art / inking / colouring / printing process has never really been known.

Energon was at the very least plotted out to the end of the run, if not finally scripted; this much is pretty much a given.

Age of Wrath... well, I'd be stunned if they'd started publishing a mini-series before the scripts had been completed. Furman's comments in interviews about the comic seem to support the notion that his input is completed. Quite how far long they were with the art is another issue, though. One of DW's colourists (Josh Burcham, iirc) pops in here from time to time... he'd probably be the person to ask in that respect.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:24 pm

At Seibs Josh has confirmed that issue 4 is coloured, and Joe has said that issue 5 is half drawn. The scripts are undoubtedly finished.

With Energon, I'd assume the script is more or less done, though 3-4 issues may not have been drawn.

But, with a little effort, I see these stories seeing the light of day in some form or other.

I was actually enjoying all three DW titles at the time of implosion (G1 #10, WW3 # 3, E #30). Oh well.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:26 pm

Josh and Joe Ng said on Seibertron that issue #4 of Age Of Wrath was pencilled, inked and coloured and Ng has pencilled half of #5.

Here's the link to the thread, because its actual topic will probably interest many of you.

I think I also saw someone saying that Energon #31 was completed, too.

As for this topic, I think if anyone would start publishing a Generation 1 comic, I'd like it start all over again. I personally would like marvel series left as it is now.
As for Dreamwave one, like pointed above, it's most likely going to be another version of TF:TM, and I'm not eager to see that.
I'd really like to have the rest of Energon published. And Age Of Wrath, out of curiosity how would it end. DW G1, I don't care much about.

So, I'm for starting from scratch, so whoever who would end up doing it (Ellis or Moore or some equally great

) were free of constraints of not-so-great Mad Brick's stories.

What if, instead more crossovers with G.I.Joe, Beast Wars, Micromasters or War Within, there were two or three ongoing series with G1 characters, and ocassionally some mini-series or one-shot. Like X-books were in 80s before they went into overkill. There might be 'Generation 1' or just 'Transformers' series, accompanied by 'Dinobots' or 'Wreckers' or 'Defenders of Khalis', with occasional mini-series like 'Jazz' or 'Sunstreaker & Sideswipe', with ongoing series having regular artists and writers, who would be planning the story arcs together in order to avoid screw-ups like the ones between DW WW and G1...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:41 pm

Ozz wrote:What if, instead more crossovers with G.I.Joe, Beast Wars, Micromasters or War Within, there were two or three ongoing series with G1 characters, and ocassionally some mini-series or one-shot. Like X-books were in 80s before they went into overkill. There might be 'Generation 1' or just 'Transformers' series, accompanied by 'Dinobots' or 'Wreckers' or 'Defenders of Khalis', with occasional mini-series like 'Jazz' or 'Sunstreaker & Sideswipe', with ongoing series having regular artists and writers, who would be planning the story arcs together in order to avoid screw-ups like the ones between DW WW and G1...

Sounds good to me.

One comic following events on one part of Cybertron
Another comic following events on another part of Cybertron
One comic following events on Earth
Another comic following events somewhere else in the galaxy

All handled by different creative teams, but with some almighty editor overseeing events to make sure everything's progressing towards wherever it's going.

Rather than one comic that flits back and forth between all the locations, giving a hundred characters a panel of development each. Or something.

Yay.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:45 pm

Please people, not the scourge of continuity reboot again...It's just not right. Devils Due pretty much kept the old Marvel continuity, so that proves that there's really no need to reboot every god damn thing.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:48 pm

Ozz wrote: What if, instead more crossovers with G.I.Joe, Beast Wars, Micromasters or War Within, there were two or three ongoing series with G1 characters, and ocassionally some mini-series or one-shot. Like X-books were in 80s before they went into overkill. There might be 'Generation 1' or just 'Transformers' series, accompanied by 'Dinobots' or 'Wreckers' or 'Defenders of Khalis', with occasional mini-series like 'Jazz' or 'Sunstreaker & Sideswipe', with ongoing series having regular artists and writers, who would be planning the story arcs together in order to avoid screw-ups like the ones between DW WW and G1...

That would be lovely - but tbh i wouldbe happy with just one really really good TF comic rather than a collection of crap to not bad ones.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:58 pm

Had to vote Other as the two options I'd go'pher weren't together. I'd love to see War Within finished/continued. Nevermind G1/G2/Whatever. Let it build into what it would be. As well I'd like to see a completely seperate and new series. Whether that be starting from some point in time without the likes of well known names, or a few in new takes, different planet, who cares. Just something new and thoughtful instead of repackaged "G1". If one had to stick with prior continuities, I'd prefer a veritable opposite to War Within. Millions of years in the future and it doesn't matter to me if it's done post G1, post G1/BW, or post G1/BW/BM. Gives a chance for new alien races, little to no chance of old ones, new cast, hopefully no chance at Unicron or the Matrix. And here's a bold idea... ...no one named Megatron or Optimus. *Gasp!*

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:13 pm

Best First wrote:That would be lovely - but tbh i wouldbe happy with just one really really good TF comic rather than a collection of crap to not bad ones.

It would be a perfect world, so all of those series would be top notch.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:18 pm

I echo hoping for one good comic.

But the concept of cross overs like x-men does with spin offs in the fol of cable etc... is a good idea when implemented.

I recall in the x-men 'onslaught saga' cable is talking to a few x-men back at the mansion, and then leaves to do somthing, u can pick up the cable comic and see what hes thinking and where he gos, well it was to have a fight with incredible hulk in a train yard actually...

But its a cool way to write.

i also like 'what ifs'
for example - 'What if Xarron had been killed?" ...

Ok cool topic idea!

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:21 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:i also like 'what ifs'

What Ifs rock. That could be interesting as well. Just have a TF What If Series. One to three issues per story idea.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:51 pm

Let's continue the Marvel series, but not G2- fillin the gap between G1 and G2. I wanna see Action Masters, dammit!

(dodges bricks)

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:53 pm

*Calmly lays down armful of bricks at BB Shockwave's dodging skills.*

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:55 pm

Seriously, I think that they could re-start TWW- make it into a pre-Marvel G1 series! I'mcertain Simon could pull it off without rehearsing stuff.

And wewould see Impactor and Xaaron again...

Dead Head · Post by **Dead Head** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:10 pm

Once that comic book series called "THE TRANS-FORMERS" starts up again, then each individual issue should be it's own self-contained continuity. What a brilliant idea! Or something...

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:18 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I echo hoping for one good comic.

But the concept of cross overs like x-men does with spin offs in the fol of cable etc... is a good idea when implemented.

I recall in the x-men 'onslaught saga' cable is talking to a few x-men back at the mansion, and then leaves to do somthing, u can pick up the cable comic and see what hes thinking and where he gos, well it was to have a fight with incredible hulk in a train yard actually...

But its a cool way to write.

i also like 'what ifs'
for example - 'What if Xarron had been killed?" ...

Ok cool topic idea!

Thought Xarron was killed in Primal Scream?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:34 pm

sorry that should read if Macarbe had assinated him - Instead of shooting my head off!

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:48 pm

ah, right. That makes it alot more clear

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:18 pm

Start completely from scratch. And I mean COMPLETELY. No Cybertron, No Autobots, no Decepticons. Maybe just Prime and Megs, although they're always in new stuff. Treat it like back in 1984: put a talented writer who's never even heard of the TFs in a room with all the G1 toys and a typewriter, and let him/her go wild creating everything - characters, setting, the lot. It could be amazing.
Or, if you want to be a bit dull, why not set it between leaving Cybertron four million years ago and crashing on prehistoric Earth? Just lengthen the journey by a few centuries. The Decepticons chase the Autobots across space, with the 'bots landing on planets looking for energy and meeting new species; taking on alien alt modes and clashing with the bad guys. Characters can die (leaving our core 1984 teams) or switch sides - maybe 'war unsure' Thundercracker used to be an Autobot.
Yes, we'd all know it's leading to an Earthfall, same as with 'War Within', but think of the possibilities of this Star Trek style TF adventure.
Just a thought...

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