So what happens now - DW Aftermath

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:11 pm

Whats gonna happen now, we hear of DD comics perhaps getting a go at the TF license
Whats about the movie, that will surely inspire another comic.

I wish it would go back to marvel - top artists, good writters and such.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:26 pm

You know the old saying... it ain't over till Roger Lee swings.

EDIT - ah, just heard the news. Right, I'm with you.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:42 am

Continuity goes to hell, pt 2?

Ah what am I saying... I barely ever read the DW comics. This is incentive to get my ****load of comics out of the shop finally though... if the dirty scum haven't sold them off on me by now that is.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:54 am

spiderfrommars wrote:You know the old saying... it ain't over till Roger Lee swings.

EDIT - ah, just heard the news. Right, I'm with you.

What news? Don't tell me he got the licensce...

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:04 am

saysadie wrote:Continuity goes to hell, pt 2?

Listen to her, for she speaketh the truth. For once. Tis ye nugget of wisdom.

Post by **snarl** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:33 am

I'm glad DW has folded.

They were ******* utter *****.

[composite word including 'f*ck'] them, somebody else will come in for the licence.

How much do you recon it would cost to contract guido, Don or James to draw a TF comic for us?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:50 am

im gonna assume a few grand, and then thees print costs - or you could buy and view the comic online... which would be hosted here at transfans of course..

Post by **snarl** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:18 am

I dont think we could sell it, but we could host it as a non profit fan project.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:26 am

BB Shockwave wrote:What news? Don't tell me he got the licensce...

I think spider refers to the news about Dreamwave collapsing.

Incidentally, on Polish forum one guy claims that (most of) Dreamwave Transformers series will be continued by Image from the point Dreamwave finished (no new continuity). He says it is not official yet, doesn't say where this come from, but himself is certain that that will be the case...

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:43 am

Ozz wrote: Incidentally, on Polish forum one guy claims that (most of) Dreamwave Transformers series will be continued by Image from the point Dreamwave finished (no new continuity). He says it is not official yet, doesn't say where this come from, but himself is certain that that will be the case...

A poor, foolish deluded soul with no substantial proof what so ever..please give us the link to the topic and a handy translator.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:13 pm

snarl wrote:I dont think we could sell it, but we could host it as a non profit fan project.

I wonder what hasbro would say - if the money could be generated or raised to ask some serious comic ninjas to draw a comic scripted by a team here id happily donate.
Imagine that, would be very cool...

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:17 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Whats gonna happen now

i can 100% gaurantee that stuff will happen... it normally does... eventually.

to be honest, i'm hoping that there is a short period where there isn't any TF material released, let this whole DW thing settle down and become the little footnote on TF history that it's going to be before the next new thing comes along.

DW had some good ideas, but they never really materialsed in any coherent form... the best things came from the old hand... Sir Furman himself.
Mad Brick had some good ideas, using the underrated characters more than the established ones for example... but the focus and pacing was just, well, crap ultimately.

I'm hoping that Wildfur get the license!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:19 pm

Id wet my pants in excitement if Wildfur did... can we pester them?

I dream but id love to see transformers just go back to the end of G2/Alinment and carry on from there. I ask to much I guess...

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:25 pm

saysadie wrote:This is incentive to get my ****load of comics out of the shop finally though... if the dirty scum haven't sold them off on me by now that is.

War Within 1 & 2 stuff is worth a looksee... everything else was pretty much a train-wreck, and most is currently cancelled mid-story...

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:11 pm

Armadaverse was good too.

Chump.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:30 pm

Predabot wrote:Armadaverse was good too. Chump.

will stop being an arse please?

As for post DW. I was planning on having a bath.

Image. meh.

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:18 pm

Predabot wrote:Armadaverse was good too. Chump.

Armada and Energon are the same comic; there is no Armadaverse as such.

Let's talk comics. Aces high, raise you Alan Moore.

edit:

This is my general point... compared to the quality and variety of comics currently out there in collected and ongoing form, hardly anything DW has done is rateable.

You can either look at "good" as a very relative thing: some DW material is good compared to some other comics material and some other TF comics material. Or you can look at "good" compared to what the comics field has produced in total... almost none of the best of which has any connection with Transformers.

I'm going with the latter view, that nine-tenths of everything TF over the years hasn't been great, and noting that we're currently in a good position to cherry-pick content and toys, what with all of the reissuing and catering to adult markets that's going on.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:47 pm

Best First wrote:will stop being an arse please?

As I've stated earlier I'm very upset by the demise of DreamWave.

Unfortunately the DreamWave hate has gotten to me I think, and is now empermiating me with unfocused hate. I will attempt to clean myself up, but it's no small endeavor.

Denyer wrote: Armada and Energon are the same comic; there is no Armadaverse as such.

I think that Worlds Collide safely established that there is an Armadaverse,

and don't forget the cartoon, even tho I can understand why you would want to do so.

Let's talk comics. Aces high, raise you Alan Moore.

Why, you brit-living, trenchcoat-wearing chain-smoking Swamp Thing! Royal flush, raises you with a Neil Gaiman and a Carl Barks. (

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EDIT: Deleted my first post, as I forgot that I was gonna update this instead. What an odd feeling.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:48 pm

Yup nothing in the comic famdom will ever really regard Transformers as anything more than an 80's nostalgia craze. Sorry but thems the breaks. It can be hard at times for you to see outside of the eyes of a Transfans, but their is another world out their filled with Lucas, Batman, Quesada that don't give a damn about transforming robots.

In this industry Transformers are just a flash in the pan to what has come before and what is to come. Never will a toy license ever be considered greater than the creations of some of the best comic writers. It is no sheer genius to add a personality to an outdated Diaclone toy from Japan. The only praise I have ever heard in my lifetime, outside of the fandom, for Transformers has always had a nostalgia connection nothing more.

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:37 pm

Predabot wrote:I think that Worlds Collide safely established that there is an Armadaverse, and don't forget the cartoon

It demonstrated Armada is set in a separate continuity from some other continuities. If we're talking cartoon, that's explicitly tied into a 'G1' analogue by the opening episodes. Energon has already extended the continuity, with the prospect of Cybertron doing so further.

raises you with a Neil Gaiman

Grammatical tautologies aside, I'd say Moore has contributed more and with more consistency, though it's nice to see Gaiman still keeping his hand in and I'd like to see where he was going with the Silver Age stuff...

Carl Barks.

The creator of Scrooge McDuck?

Post by **Computron** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:03 pm

A shame the talents of Figueroa, Raiz, Guidi and others are now gone from Transformers. (For the time being at least). The work those few gems in the darkness did at DW needs to be continued, hopefully with a competent admin team at another comics company.

On another note, with DW gone, the much maligned "Proud Wolf Manga Style" is dead.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:35 pm

Denyer wrote: Grammatical tautologies aside, I'd say Moore has contributed more and with more consistency, though it's nice to see Gaiman still keeping his hand in and I'd like to see where he was going with the Silver Age stuff...

Bah. Moore is partially insane, and had worse artists, at times.
Raises you with a Will Eisner and calls your bluff. Check.

I did not use him at first since he reasently died and it's therefore something of a cheap-shot, everybody thinks of him.

But it's time to put an end to this.

Carl Barks.

The creator of Scrooge McDuck?

The very same. Among many other other characters. Also the one man that shaped much of the Disney comics echoing back to today even. And his stories are some of the best ever in comics, truly classics, that can be read and enjoyed by everyone, from the age of 3 to 110. How many can say that about their comics?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:20 pm

Talking of Moore, I'm currently halfway through his Swamp Thing run. This stuff is genius.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:30 pm

Predabot wrote:
Best First wrote:will stop being an arse please?
As I've stated earlier I'm very upset by the demise of DreamWave. Unfortunately the DreamWave hate has gotten to me I think, and is now empermiating me with unfocused hate. I will attempt to clean myself up, but it's no small endeavor.

Aw diddums. Its not your fault - i see now.

or:

Piss off until you can behave then...

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:38 am

Best First wrote:Piss off until you can behave then...

Nah, I think I'll recuperate much faster here, were my aggressions can be discharged into useful energy, flame.

That one's of course going straight to the sig, even tho I can't fit it in at the moment, since I've got some Dark Ages stuff crammed in there now. Boy, you sure tightened that up when you did the new board..

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:25 am

Predabot wrote:
Best First wrote:Piss off until you can behave then...
Nah, I think I'll recuperate much faster here, were my aggressions can be discharged into useful energy, flame.

That one's of course going straight to the sig, even tho I can't fit it in at the moment, since I've got some Dark Ages stuff crammed in there now. Boy, you sure tightened that up when you did the new board..

not quite getting this are you?

Stop using pathetic excuses to insult people or i will ban you.

understand?

****ing children...

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:33 am

http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=4506

And just so you don't actually have to click the link (unless you want to)

Transformers Comics: Post Dreamwave
Posted by Professor Smooth on Jan 6 05 4:18am

RUMORS: Well, it was a fun ride while it lasted but now Dreamwave is no more. Fortunately, we won't have to wait several years to get our fix of Transformers comics. As we speak (well, probably not as I speak since it's 4 am over at Casa de Smooth) Hasbro is talking with other publishers about the Transformers comic book license. Speculation runs rampant and the rumor mill begins turning, who's going to have the license?

DC? Probably not. Why? Because DC has never had anything to do with Transformers in the 21 year history of the brand. Sure, they might try something new, but this is the company that kept us waiting nearly 60 years for Lois and Clark to tie the knot!
Marvel? Perhaps. They did have great luck for a couple years back in the 80's with The Transformers. They also had terrible luck with them in the 90's. Marvel big-shot Joe Quesada has said that he'd be interested. Quesada's "Daredevil: Father" is currently even later than any Dreamwave Transformers book had ever been, so if Hasbro wants to continue Dreamwave's tradition, Marvel could be a place to start.

Image? Say it with me, Transformers Volume 4 issue 1 Todd McFarlane incentive cover. Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Dream Engine? The new company that's owned by Pat Lee's brother, Roger. It seems to me that this would be like shooting yourself in the foot then thinking that maybe shooting yourself in the other foot wouldn't be so bad. Sure, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but nor does releasing three parts of a combiner several months before the other two.

Wildfur? Simon Furman and Andrew Wildman had their second War Within title butchered both art and storyline wise by Dreamwave; could we see these two writing and drawing Transformers the way they damn-well should be? No. It's not gonna happen.

Devil's Due? The company that's making a go of the GI:Joe license has already put out 10 different Transformers-related comics in the past year or so. It would not shock me if Devil's Due snagged the license and hired James and Adam to write while actually paying guys like Joe and Don to fill pencil their stories. It would also not surprise me if they also brought in Simon Furman to continue his run on Energon/Cybertron.

Whatever happens, I'm sure that I'm not alone in hoping that everyone who contributed to Dreamwave's run with the Transformers license, as well as those who worked on DW's other titles (Yes, they existed) the best of luck in the future. While it's a shame that we might not get many Transformers books in 2005, at least we won't have to keep watching Pat Lee draw Optimus Prime with huge robot breasts!

Source: Every message board, news group, and e-mail you've ever heard of. Yes. Even that one.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:41 am

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:46 am

Best First wrote:woo.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the most unenthusiastic exclamation of joy in the history of the internet. Ric Flair would be rolling in his grave if he hadn't crawled out of it and continued wrestling for the last decade or so.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:10 pm

Professor Smooth wrote: Image? Say it with me, Transformers Volume 4 issue 1 Todd McFarlane incentive cover. Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
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I'm no big fan of Todd McFarlane.

I suppose that I could swallow Devils Due if they acctually hired most of the people at DreamWave that had talent and had them do the comics, but otherwise I feel a bit...sceptical.

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