How effective is human weaponry against TFs?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:53 pm

all im trying to say, is even if they do conduct electricity, why should it hurt them?

If i pass a current across a bit of metal, the metal doesnt erm 'hurt' does it?

Im going to assume they have good circuit breakers to stop over loads

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:00 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:all im trying to say, is even if they do conduct electricity, why should it hurt them?

If i pass a current across a bit of metal, the metal doesnt erm 'hurt' does it?

Im going to assume they have good circuit breakers to stop over loads

You conduct electricity. You feel things, due to your ability to sense changes in your envrinoment.

A bit of metal has no sensation. However, it is altered by the electrical current passing through it. The individual electrons and nuclei react to the current, and if strong enough, can actually escape their surroundings (i.e. the metal deforms/melts).

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:08 am

I guess it all depends on how much the machine feels pain?

Can it for example turn of pain receptors? - is it shielded against high voltage? does a really high voltage even cause any effect?

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:57 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Can it for example turn of pain receptors?

Ratchet switched off Jazz's pain system when he replaced his entire arm in the issue of the Marvel comic where GB Blackrock was being shown around the Ark (during the period when Prime's head was a captive of Shockwave).
I should imagine that TFs have sensors all over their bodies that tells them if things are touching them or if there is a damaged area. Perhaps any electrical or physical damage would overload these sensors and be registered by the TF as pain because it disrupts their delicate neural systems in an unpleasant, ie. not standard, way.

Didn't Arnold say something similar to that in T2?

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:38 pm

Sorry I'm late to the party... I was on vacation.

What this discussion has really failed to touch on is how frighteningly powerful some of our modern day "human" weaponry is.

Even the cutting-edge Chobam armor can't stand up to weapons like the Hellfire antitank missile or a 120mm depleted uranium round. And if anyone has actually seen a 30mm Avenger cannon take apart a tank, you would see how scary some of our weapons really are. And that's not even mentioning smart 'bunker busters' or cruise missiles.

It seems ridiculous that any but the most powerful Transformers could just shrug off modern antitank weapons.

Besides, nowadays a weapon's firepower is only half the equation. The M1A1 has a ludicrously powerful cannon but it also has a very expensive and complex targeting system. And while it's armor is first-rate, it also has a low profile and is highly maneuverable.

In a battle between TFs and a human army, even if the TFs were vulnerable to human weapons they are still mobile enough that the human vehicles would find themselves hopelessly out-maneuvered and out-fought. (As has already been discussed)

-J

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:28 pm

But you assuming you know what a TF is made from, take Ironhide for example he has a trilthium skin or somthing. that for all we know might be totaly resistance to everything par a nuke.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:14 pm

jboyler wrote:cruise missiles.

Did Tom go for a crap then?

Who's to say that 'trilthium' isn't Cybertronian for 'wet tissue paper'?

So, the answer is that we just nuke then, surely?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:47 pm

the TF A-Z profiles says to scratch Metroplex would require a nuke

SnapDragon · Post by **SnapDragon** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:51 pm

Nice to know my posts are of such a high quality they're still the subject of intense discussion a year later

I've always thought that HotSpot getting taken out by a few Hiss tanks was a bit rubbish. Its not like he was holding back on defending himself either: 'This is a fireball cannon. Although it may seem incongrous to my design, you would do well to avoid it!'

But I think that Cyclonus getting made a tit of by the F-14s was believable. He was overconfident and they outflew and outsmarted him. I love that scene. Just because TFs have superior technology doesn't mean they're undefeatable.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:39 pm

SnapDragon wrote:I've always thought that HotSpot getting taken out by a few Hiss tanks was a bit rubbish. Its not like he was holding back on defending himself either: 'This is a fireball cannon. Although it may seem incongrous to my design, you would do well to avoid it!'

The way I saw it, a hit from the HISS tank wouldn't have done much but scratched his armour.

However, a sustained assault from multiple HISS tanks would begin to do some real damage, which is why he reacted the way he did.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:14 pm

Kneejerk reaction.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:25 pm

Autobloke wrote:Kneejerk reaction.

Difference between a water pistol squirt and a flash flood, more like.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:36 pm

I was trivialising.
Anyone ever done a headcount of the actual number of TFs damaged, deactivated or blown up by humans? Well, by their weapons.
And how?

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