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Post by spiderfrommars » Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:37 pm

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The Decepticon Powermasters were sent to Nebulos to find Scorponok to form an alliance, pretty cool when you consider that the powermasters worked for Megatron (a bit retconning done by Furman).
Wasn't 'Race with the Devil' their first assignment for Megs? Coz after that Megs asks them if they wanted to join him.

Still, I like the idea that Megs was pulling the strings all along...
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Post by ShadowSonic » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:39 pm

I can see it now, while we see the Megatron-Straxus clone running aorund on Earth doing his thing, we also see the Decepticon Powermasters getting their orders from a shadowy, yet familiar figure on Cybertron...but it can't be HIM, since he's running around on Earth...

It could be a sub-plot, as in "who's this guy on Cybertron pulling the strings? Can't be HIM..."

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Post by Bouncelot » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:56 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:I can see it now, while we see the Megatron-Straxus clone running aorund on Earth doing his thing, we also see the Decepticon Powermasters getting their orders from a shadowy, yet familiar figure on Cybertron...but it can't be HIM, since he's running around on Earth...

It could be a sub-plot, as in "who's this guy on Cybertron pulling the strings? Can't be HIM..."
Cool. Much better than my idea of just scrapping Two Megatrons and making the one from the end of Time Wars become the one who revived Starscream. I think we need some explanation of how the clone ended up in London's Sewers.

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Post by ShadowSonic » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:31 pm

You can say that once Straxus' followers learnt of Megatron's death, they decided to have Straxus infiltrate the Cons and try to take over pretending to be Megatron, so they spied on the cons to learn just what Megs looked like in the battle and them sent him away. But Spanner, with the last of his strength tried to destroy the copy but instead simply teleported him to London.

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Post by BB Shockwave » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:11 pm

Interesting idea...

I just re-read the Wolf saga today, and realised how good it 'd look on screen...
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Post by ShadowSonic » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:42 pm

Who would do the voices? Since Peter Cullen refuses to do any more action hero types and others are dead. I think we should have a new VA cast for G1. The new TNMT has new actors that are pretty good (I especially like Scottie Ray as the Shredder).

I say, the Ocean Group (The guys who did BW and BM). Who would be who? I think Gary Chalk shouldn't be Prime, his voice isn't deep enough.

Maybe we can have Neil Kaplan fly down from LA to Vancouver to do the voice work as Prime but keep the Ocean guys for everyone else.

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Post by ShadowSonic » Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:41 pm

How long would you want this series to be? A 78 episode series like Beast Wars/Beast Machines or longer? It should have a decisive end so it'd be more like a story rather than just a continuing commercial.

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Post by spiderfrommars » Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:13 am

ShadowSonic wrote:It should have a decisive end so it'd be more like a story rather than just a continuing commercial.
I think the endings of both G1 or G2 are good enough. Both have the good guys winning, and yet still leave you wanting more...
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Post by Stormwolf » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:50 am

spiderfrommars wrote:
ShadowSonic wrote:It should have a decisive end so it'd be more like a story rather than just a continuing commercial.
I think the endings for either G1 or G2 are good enough. Good guys win, and yet you're still left wanting more.
Well, the bad guys aren't gone, so there's always a threat for the future:

G1: Bludgeon withdrew his troops and started building the Warworld.

G2: Only a few of Liege Maximo's troops were beaten.
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Post by sprunkner » Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:22 pm

I really hope somebody from Hasbro is reading this...

Well, you know, the Liege Maximo allows for a whole new twist on the TFs that was never explored in the toys. The "second generation" could be made downright creepy and nasty; and then the cartoon could go on to a better conclusion than "Alignment."

I'm thinking they should have Furman write the whole thing, though. Furman, Forward and DeTillio.

Would you want it to be computer animated?
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Post by Señior's Covenant » Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:25 pm

sprunkner wrote:...and then the cartoon could go on to a better conclusion than "Alignment."
That wouldn't be too difficult.
sprunkner wrote:Would you want it to be computer animated?
Were such a task ever undertaken, yes, but only if it were on the level of Beast Wars/Machines.

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Post by ShadowSonic » Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:16 pm

I know what the majority of TF fans feel for Budiansky, but I still think we should include most of his work on TFs, he gave us "New Order" "Return to Cybertron" "Headmasters" and "Underbase". The ending of the Micromaster wrestling story redeemed the whole thing for me as well.

Furman should be the sotry editor and wrtie some of the stories, but let some other guys do the writing so it's not a word for word adaption and we have some new stuff as well, like how Eastman and Laird are letting some thing be changed in the new TMNT (Shredder and Krang being the saem guy)

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Post by Predabot » Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:25 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:(Shredder and Krang being the saem guy)
Herassy! :x :evil:

Personally I don't have any trouble with Bob B. I consider him a key TF-contributor and god on the same level as Furman. Underbase is one of my fav stories also (I just love the carnage :twisted: Screamers at his absolute best). So by all means, Bob's stories deserve to be in it, altough some of em might indeed need some reworking. :)

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Post by Stormwolf » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:59 am

Bob Budiansky was pretty good early on, remember when he gave us the asskicking version of Shockwave while the cartoon presented the asskissing version.

My only problem with Bob is that his were getting weak towards the end, but that doesn't take away the fact that he created a number of good stories and most of the characters.
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Post by Brendocon » Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:02 am

Stormwolf wrote:My only problem with Bob is that his were getting weak towards the end, but that doesn't take away the fact that he created a number of good stories and most of the characters.
Aye. As I think I've said before, his main problem was that he got too preoccupied on the human-interaction aspect of the series. Take away stuff like Ca$h & Car-Nage, Shooting Star, The Intergalactic Wrestling Championship and the guff with Skullgrin in the movies, and he's got a pretty strong selection of stuff there.
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Post by Stormwolf » Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:19 am

Brendocon wrote:
Stormwolf wrote:My only problem with Bob is that his were getting weak towards the end, but that doesn't take away the fact that he created a number of good stories and most of the characters.
Aye. As I think I've said before, his main problem was that he got too preoccupied on the human-interaction aspect of the series. Take away stuff like Ca$h & Car-Nage, Shooting Star, The Intergalactic Wrestling Championship and the guff with Skullgrin in the movies, and he's got a pretty strong selection of stuff there.
Funny, the bad ones you mention are allot like the average cartoon episodes in terms of story when you think about it :roll: :p
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Post by Brendocon » Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 am

Stormwolf wrote:Funny, the bad ones you mention are allot like the average cartoon episodes in terms of story when you think about it :roll: :p
Funny? Nah. I'd say tragic.

Burn the cartoon! [/Impy]
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Post by ShadowSonic » Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:53 pm

As I sadi, let Furman be the Story editor and write some of the stories, but mostly let other guys write the actual episodes.

And Underbase only suffered from bad or mediocre art, have decent artists (like Geoff Senior) take a crack at it and you'd probably like the story better.

Bob's work suffered from not very good art and coloring as well, so it wasn't just his fault the stories weren't so good.

I mean, Geoff Senior's early art (Target 2006, for instance) isn't exactly the best, the TFs all look like humans in costumes!

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Post by spiderfrommars » Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:19 pm

I think Bob did more good stories than bad stories. But his average stories dwarfed the good & bad.
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Post by ShadowSonic » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:45 pm

So, is anyone still interested in this?

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Post by Best First » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:29 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:
I mean, Geoff Senior's early art (Target 2006, for instance) isn't exactly the best, the TFs all look like humans in costumes!
da fug?

Fully painted Mags vs Galvy is one of the best items of TF art ever IMO.
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Post by ShadowSonic » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:21 pm

Yeah, but whenver I see Impactor or the Decepticons assassins I think "They look like men in suits with silver painted faces!" not "wow, robots!" with the detail we saw in BW, BM, or the DW comics.

Actions scenes, okay, but the detail needs work, although I don't want it to look exactly like the toys, that scene where wee see Galvatron and his crew for the first time at the end of the first part was painful.

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Post by Stormwolf » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:06 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:So, is anyone still interested in this?
Yes, who wouldn't be? :roll:
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Post by spiderfrommars » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:29 pm

I think the early artists all admit they drew TFs like they would draw superheroes.

Not everyone's cup of tea, but it made the TFs far more dynamic. Even DW's best/most detailed artists drew TFs without anywhere near that amount of energy.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:57 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:Yeah, but whenver I see Impactor or the Decepticons assassins I think "They look like men in suits with silver painted faces!" not "wow, robots!" with the detail we saw in BW, BM, or the DW comics.

Actions scenes, okay, but the detail needs work, although I don't want it to look exactly like the toys, that scene where wee see Galvatron and his crew for the first time at the end of the first part was painful.
Impy is drawn to be very angular most of the time, maybe im reading a different comic but I dont see these guys looking like men in suits, no more then any other issue.

DW is detailed true but overal compostions is very very bad, each character is drawn seperately, and so is the background, stuck together in PS. effects are applied, like glows etc.

As for the first time we see Galvy, thats 1 image out of an 11 issue run and they had to draw them like that according to marvel.
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Post by ShadowSonic » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:54 am

I know, I'm was using that as an example as to why some guys SHOULDN'T be toy-accurate comic designs.

Anywho, what are you ideas now for continuing the idea of a Cartoon that was more of a straight adaption of the Marvel comic?

Remember, it shouldn't be a word for word translation, becuase then there'd be no point in watching. I'm going for more of what Mirage is doing with the new TMNT, with it being very closley based on the comics, but not 100% identical, remember that the time period most of the stories was written for is around 20 years gone past.

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Post by BB Shockwave » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:02 am

Funny you re-vived this topic I started half a year ago... 'cause I was thinking about how to rewrite the stories or dump two issues together as sideplots as I go to work every day.

I'm busy with translating the UK comics to HUngarian now but be prepared to a TV-Tome like description of the episodes in a few weeks or so! With notes of changes.

Oh and if it would ever make it to screen, I'd love to have the guy who does Brainiac on the JLU do the voice of Shockwave. No offence to Cory Burton but he wouldn'T do a good comic--version Shockwave.
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Post by ShadowSonic » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:14 pm

Corey Burton DOES do the voice of Brainiac on JLU.

Clancy Brown should do Straxus

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Post by BB Shockwave » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:31 pm

(slaps forehead). Should have known, after all, both are purple computers on legs... :D He did get better in voice acting, then...

The guy who does John Stewart (Green Lantern) would make a good Prowl, btw.
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Post by ShadowSonic » Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:45 pm

Well, I hink the Ocean Group would be good for the voices too, Scott McNeil should be there to do Starscream.

Who in the Vancouver Ocean Group would be good for voices? I think Garry Chalk would be good for Ultra Magnus.

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