Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith [Spoilers]

[Leatherneck]

Just got back. Impressed. Better than one and two. Only real gripe I had was how ******* long the simultaneous battle scenes were at the end. And how they used R2 as comic relief, but at least it wasn't JarJar Binks, although I was PISSED to see him. Even if it was for 2.34 seconds and he didn't speak..

More tomorrow, after a little bit of sleep..

[Obfleur]

R2 worked as comic relief in the old movies.
Whats the difference now?

[KingMob]

Hmm, I thought R2 worked in this film, dramatically and comedically while I felt he didn't really in the first 2. I loved his action scenes as well, I got genuinely worried for the wee bugger (against all logic).
Thougt the humour worked well in this film, there were several bits where I and what felt like all of the theatre laughed, inlcuding a couple near the end which was a good note considering the tension and then sadness in the air.
Man, I was lucky with the audience I was with, everyone was really on the same page.

[anna]

i went to the midnight showing and i loved it im going again later and on june 4th. but for those who havent seen it i can give a personal reccomendation!!

[Professor Smooth]

For some reason, the midnight showing here didn't start until about 12:45. Still, it was enjoyable. The dialogue was pretty terrible, though. I'm just glad I was in a theater where nobody felt the need to cheer or clap or yell stuff at the screen. Enjoyable experience.

[Shanti418]

I enjoyed R2 as well. So does C3PO say things in Episodes IV-VI that portray him as being ignorant of the events in the first trilogy, thereby necessitating his mindwipe at the end?

I'm looking forward to seeing it again.

If I had to pick one bad thing, I'd say the whole sequence where Anakin's alliegances actually switch was kinda rushed. It seemed like he was telling Mace Windu all about the Sith Lord in one frame, and then a few minues later, he was swearing alliegance to Darth Sidius.

One of the only parts that seemed to carry the proper amount of emotional weight was when the first words out of the "real" Darth Vader were "Is Padme okay?" That was an awesome part. Sidius is all like, "You killed her, dude!"

[Darth Aux]

IT ROCKED!!

[bobaprime85]

I shall now deliver my totally objective and perfectly logical review of Star Wars Episode 3 (Oh, there will be some SPOILERS so any of you that don't want to read SPOILERS shouldn't read on because I guarantee there will beSPOILERS):


Did I mention the oncoming SPOILERS?


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Holy god........ this thing was freakin' amazing! Lucas has totally redeemed himself for the last two! Why couldn't they have been this good!?

This is the film where it all finally came together. The story of Anakin's fall and the birth of Vader is just so.......well, Lucas finally got it right. All of the stupidity of the first two has just fallen away and left us with what we were promised: lightsabers, epic battles, and heart-wrenching scenes.
Now, I should mention that the dialogue may seem a bit.... well, there were some scenes, like with Anakin and Padme discussing her pregnency that could have been slightly re-jigged. However, those quibbles are easily ignored, especially with the surprisingly good acting in this one, with Ian Mcdiarmid's Palpatine stealing the show. I mean, the way he seduces Anakin, first with having him murder Dooku, then playing on Anakin's fears about Padme's death resulting from her pregnancy, to his final move with having Anakin kill Mace Windu and then go on to eliminate all the Jedi at the temple. Even the freakin' kids!

Yeah, Anakin is now a certified baby-killer and I know we're supposed to root for his redemption, but after the temple massacre, I just wanted Obi-Wan to kill the bastard. I mean, Anakin even force-chokes his own wife! What an ass. Of course, the purge itself was heart-wrenching. You knew it was coming, but you still felt it when the Jedi were mercilessly gunned down by the soldiers that they have been fighting side-by-side with since the beginning of the war. There's this one scene where Bail Organa watches this one padawan, who looked to be about 10-12 years old, get gunned down by the troopers and it's just....well, as I said, I really wanted both Palpatine and Anaking to get bitch-slapped for it. Of course, though Yoda and Obi-Wan gave the two Sith Lords a good fight, such a bitch-slapping didn't occur, though Anakin was pretty messed up. After the fights, Lucas has a great contrast between Padme giving birth to the twins and Anakin being transformed into Vader. And once Vader comes off that table and asks for his wife....just a good scene. Good stuff.

Where does it rank among the six films? Well, it beats the crap out of the rest of the prequels, but it isn't up to Empire's level. Nor does it best A New Hope, but it is currently in a death struggle with ROTJ for the 3rd place spot. I'll have to watch it a couple more times to decide which is better.

[Darth Aux]

I'd give it second, just pipping A New Hope.

[Best First]

i thought it was fairly s***.

Some good action bits - but a lot of them felt a bit dry, and nothing as good as the Duel of the Fates.

All the dialogue between Padme and Anakin was an embaressment.

Anakin's 'fall' was ridiculous:

"oh! what have i done! i killed mace windu"

"Kill everyone else as well"

"ok!"

...and now i'm evil.

what?

Oh, and now its an empire.

everyone claps. why? shh! don't question.

The central threads are pathetically executed.

and Darth Vaders dialougue and the way he moves when he gets off the 'bed' are hilarious.

"Where is Padme?"

Ha ha ha ha! Crap.

And the Jedi fall ridiculously easily. rubbish.

I liked some of the stuff at the end that tied into A New Hope, but largely it wasn't much better than the last two.

[Leatherneck]

"Lord Vader."

"Yes, Master?"

"RISE."

[bobaprime85]

I get the feeling we were watching two different films, Besty.

i thought it was fairly s***.

Some good action bits - but a lot of them felt a bit dry, and nothing as good as the Duel of the Fates.

I thought it had some great action bit, and very little was what could be called 'dry'. The Yoda/Sidious battle was especially awesome.

All the dialogue between Padme and Anakin was an embaressment.

Well, it depends upon personal preference, this one. The love story has been the weakest part of the prequels, but the way it is depicted here leaves it at least believeable. Yes, the dialogue could have been tweaked, but it passes.

Anakin's 'fall' was ridiculous:

"oh! what have i done! i killed mace windu"

"Kill everyone else as well"

"ok!"

...and now i'm evil.

what?

Hey, if there's one thing that defines evil, it's killing Sam Jackson. And what is Anakin going to do, anyway? Turn himself in? Like the arrogant jerk would have the nerve.

Oh, and now its an empire.

everyone claps. why? shh! don't question.

"Don't worry everyone, our beloved chancellor, who just escaped a kidnapping and possible assassination by the separatists and then another assassination attempt by the Jedi is now okay! However, in order to keep the new peace and deal with these Jedi renegades, we must trade away a few measly freedoms in order for safety. A new, strong executive power is needed to control things and now we have an Empire that will ensure our safety!"

Nazi Germany in space.

and Darth Vaders dialougue and the way he moves when he gets off the 'bed' are hilarious.

"Where is Padme?"

Ha ha ha ha! Crap.

Yes, because one should naturally have a sense of grace and poise when your arms and legs were just severed, your body turned into a human matchstick, and you've just undergone what looked like an incredibly painful procdure that essentially turns you into a machine.

And the Jedi fall ridiculously easily. rubbish.
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Strongly disagree. They've been fighting side by side with these clones for at least a couple years, so naturally they're going to be completely offset when their 'friends' turn on them.

Wait, am I arguing with Best First? Crap. I get the feeling I'm going to get ripped a new one.

[Kaylee]

i thought it was fairly s***.

Some good action bits - but a lot of them felt a bit dry, and nothing as good as the Duel of the Fates.

All the dialogue between Padme and Anakin was an embaressment.

Anakin's 'fall' was ridiculous:

"oh! what have i done! i killed mace windu"

"Kill everyone else as well"

"ok!"

...and now i'm evil.

what?

Oh, and now its an empire.

everyone claps. why? shh! don't question.

The central threads are pathetically executed.

and Darth Vaders dialougue and the way he moves when he gets off the 'bed' are hilarious.

"Where is Padme?"

Ha ha ha ha! Crap.

And the Jedi fall ridiculously easily. rubbish.

I liked some of the stuff at the end that tied into A New Hope, but largely it wasn't much better than the last two.

sounds about what I expected, I'll still go see it tho I'm hoping yoda does some sword fighting? ^_^ [/simple pleasures]

[Best First]

Yoda has some v cool bits.

Altho how he loses to Sidious is a bit odd.

...in fact, a lot of what rankles me reminds me of Brad Micks writing - theres a real 'just accept this is happening and don't question why' air about a lot of the events.

Sorry - why?

A great example of this is where Padme takes 3P0 to Mustafar instead of a soldier, reasonig 3P0 will look after her. what?

[Kaylee]

Yoda has some v cool bits.

Altho how he loses to Sidious is a bit odd.

Does he play him at Scrabble or something then?

"Cupboardy I spell... 17 points I get..."

"Cupboardy, that's not a word my young apprentice!"

"Into my eyes look! Around the eyes not look, into the eyes look..."

[Jetfire]

Awesome. really good.

No real bad point that dpn't apply to other SW films but you only notice them iuf you analyse the movie after. The cinema was gripped through out and clapped at the end.

The story was great. The acting was brilliant, especially Haden when hes on he volcano planet and talking to Obi Wan. But Ian McDirmunt owned through out. There was nothing wrong with the turn considering how long it was built up. It also makes sense when Anakin reveals his master plan about "My Empire" and ensuring peach in the galaxy. You can see exactlky how the Jedi, who don't come off as total innocents in thsi by the way, pissd him off no end as they forced Anakin to constantly go against the Jedi code yet slag him off not being good enough while Palps keeps giving him everything he wants.

And Besty, I believe thats Padme just making an excuse as she intending to go and confront Anakin. Her marriage was still a secret and soliders getting involved would not only p### of Anakin but make things auquard.

[Kaylee]

Anakin reveals his master plan about "My Empire" and ensuring peach in the galaxy.

Aaah, now it all makes sense then

[bobaprime85]

Obviously, I'm too stupid to know when to just let well enough alone....

Yoda has some v cool bits.

Altho how he loses to Sidious is a bit odd.

...in fact, a lot of what rankles me reminds me of Brad Micks writing - theres a real 'just accept this is happening and don't question why' air about a lot of the events.

Sorry - why?

Yoda = got his green ass kicked. When he got the backlash of that force lightning, he knew he couldn't beat Sidious, especially since not five minutes beforehand, the Sith was throwing around senatorial pods like they were nothing and having a jolly good time doing it while Yoda was scrambling for dear life.

Besides, "there are alternatives to fighting."

A great example of this is where Padme takes 3P0 to Mustafar instead of a soldier, reasonig 3P0 will look after her. what?

Oh yes, I'm going to talk to my deranged husband, who is clearly incredibly powerful and could kill your average guard with a thought, with an armed guard whose presence will only send a message to said husband that I don't trust him. And I got the feeling that the 3PO thing was a joke that fell flat, similar to a joke in AOTC about R2.

Hoo boy, I'm really digging a grave now....

[Kaylee]

Besides, "there are alternatives to fighting."

Like settling down in a swamp in your own little hovel and squandering the next few years spawning Kermit the Frog?

{is having waaay too much fun being a smartass }

[Best First]

The acting was brilliantThere was nothing wrong with the turn considering how long it was built up.

...in an utterly crap fashion.

"Noooooooooooooooooo!"



i didn't only notice stuff afterwards, i thought it was weak while i was watching it - best not to presume or second guess other people's thoughts i find.

The story was not 'great' nor was the acting 'brilliant'. Compare it to LOTR for example and it utterly pales on both fronts.

[bobaprime85]

Besides, "there are alternatives to fighting."

Like settling down in a swamp in your own little hovel and squandering the next few years spawning Kermit the Frog?

{is having waaay too much fun being a smartass }

Why not? Someone has to keep the proud muppet tradition alive.

[Kaylee]

Besides, "there are alternatives to fighting."

Like settling down in a swamp in your own little hovel and squandering the next few years spawning Kermit the Frog?

{is having waaay too much fun being a smartass }

Why not? Someone has to keep the proud muppet tradition alive.

If that's so then why isn't the Swedish Chef in EpIII? (As we all know he SHOULD be!)

[Best First]

i really wanted Palpy to just wander over a hoof Yoda when he was lying on the floor.

"That's how i roll"

anyway, wanted to like it, but largely non plussed.

The whole peach thing was original though...

[Kaylee]

The whole peach thing was original though...

A bit derivative imo, it's been the founding stone of all of history's great evil empires.

[Best First]

The bit where they took the peach, added a big laser beam to it and called it the 'Death Star' was a nice nod to the original trilogy.

[bobaprime85]

Like settling down in a swamp in your own little hovel and squandering the next few years spawning Kermit the Frog?

{is having waaay too much fun being a smartass }

Why not? Someone has to keep the proud muppet tradition alive.

If that's so then why isn't the Swedish Chef in EpIII? (As we all know he SHOULD be!)

Sadly, the Chef was an off-screen fatality of the Clone Wars. Or the purges. Whatever.

[Kaylee]

The bit where they took the peach, added a big laser beam to it and called it the 'Death Star' was a nice nod to the original trilogy.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sadly, the Chef was an off-screen fatality of the Clone Wars. Or the purges. Whatever.

not the Swedish Chef!!!

Without him, life doesn't seem to have a purpose...

Then again there's always those cow things doing the 'Phenomenon (do doo da doo doo)' routine...

[Jetfire]

The acting was brilliantThere was nothing wrong with the turn considering how long it was built up.

...in an utterly crap fashion.

"Noooooooooooooooooo!"



i didn't only notice stuff afterwards, i thought it was weak while i was watching it - best not to presume or second guess other people's thoughts i find.

The story was not 'great' nor was the acting 'brilliant'. Compare it to LOTR for example and it utterly pales on both fronts.

LOTRs is a over simply story if you take it at that. A journey with series and series of attacks on the main characters, frodo moaning about the ring and Sam encouraging him, Burp jokes in dramitacally tense moments. Thats why LotR will never be as intreasting as a marathon as the original Star Wars because it gets to repetative. Its fine when parts are spaced a year apart but falls appart when you have to watch Helms deep soon followed by the minas Tireth as their basically the same battle edited to different lengths. The less I point out Arwen's embarising inclusion the the story line to try and make her significant and the 15 pointless endings the better.

LotRs has its acting faults. Gimli's overbearing comic releaf for one, McKellen clearly doing a half arsed job after Gandalf becomes the white, OTT eastendorks, and camp Legolas camaera shots because the girls love Orlando "no character" Bloom.

Dispite all that it's still a great film. Many of the greatets films have major faults.

[Kaylee]

aha! LoTR time!

LOTRs is a over simply story if you take it at that. A journey with series and series of attacks on the main characters, frodo moaning about the ring and Sam encouraging him,

Provided you ignore the multiple journeys and stories, the character development (Aragorn from Strider to King, Sam from halfwit to hero etc.), the numerous parallels with WW2

thats why LotR will never be as intreasting as a marathon as the original Star Wars because it gets to repetative.

The idea of sitting through all 6 star wars films (about the same length as all 3 extended LoTR films AFAIK) is one that films me with complete indifference.

imo the original three are enjoyable action flicks, episode 1 is embarassing, 2 is just 1:45 of tedium and 5 minutes of intense action and 3 is yet to be determined.

I'd rather take a coherent story which develops its characters and portrays them through consistently strong acting any time.

Its fine when parts are spaced a year apart but falls appart when you have to watch Helms deep soon followed by the minas Tireth as their basically the same battle edited to different lengths.

Then surely the blowing up of the death star makes Star Wars and Jedi fall apart on the same premise? thats basically the same battle with some new cut scenes, to take it that glibly.

The less I point out Arwen's embarising inclusion the the story line to try and make her significant and the 15 pointless endings the better.

Arwen's character is feeble I agree. The endings worked for me because for an awful moment, when the camera fades out leaving the hobbits in the lava, my heart honestly stopped and I thought Jackson might actually be going to kill them.

I genuinely cared about the characters, something Lucas has utterly failed to achieve with his prequels and only managed to a surface level with the original three due to the strength of his actors imo.

LotRs has its acting faults. Gimli's overbearing comic releaf for one,

Most definitely. Still pale in comparison to Jar Jar tho

McKellen clearly doing a half arsed job after Gandalf becomes the white

I thought his performance in RoTK was staggering. He doesn't do much in TT but thats what happens in the book.

OTT eastendorks,

You mean the blokes with their oliphaunts? Again I thought they were great! Or least if they're OTT then giant walking breadbins on legs in Empire are even more OTT

and camp Legolas camaera shots because the girls love Orlando "no character" Bloom.

Am I the only person on earth who understands what camp means? It means effeminate (which people seem to use it when they want to refer to something as 'gay' in the schoolboy sense but don't want to be seen as 'un-PC').

It also means, if you prefer, something which makes false affection for a vulgarity (i.e. 'pretending to be stupid for camp effect').

I'm not sure how you can apply either of those to camera angles?

Legolas has indeed very little character however imo.

Dispite all that it's still a great film. Many of the greatets films have major faults.

I can't think of any major faults in LoTR as far as I'm concerned.

Great story? (the best imo) check.
Strong actors? check.
Excellent acting? McKellen, Mortensen, and Bernard Hill could carry it by themselves imo.
Atmosphere? check.
popcorn fodder effects? check.
something I will remember and want to watch again and again? check.

The only faults I see, which niggle at me also, are in comparison minute and essentially stem from the movie being Peter Jackson's vision, not mine.

imo I'd be hard pushed to think of more than 2 SW films that fulfilled even half of those criteria. They're fun movies (mostly...) imo but hardly any great shakes. The original three are carried by their actors, cheerful optimism and old-fashioned non-taxing fun in my view. Fine stuff, but not really inspiring and certainly nothing to bring (good) tears to your eyes as some of lotr did for me.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

well looking back

LotR is great, but essentially it just doesnt stir my cockles like the orginal star wars films do.

the Idea of watching LotR now is more a chore then somthing I consider fun, where as I can watch SW over and over.

For me, they do everything, just how I want.