Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith [Spoilers]

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri May 27, 2005 7:56 pm

Brendocon wrote:What I found bemusing was the whole thing where Padme dies "because she's lost the will to live."

Not because Anakin choked the life out of her. Not because childbirth knackered her. But because she didn't want to go on anymore. That's... well, weak is the word that springs to mind. And considering she'd just popped out two sprogs, a little selfish if you ask me. Would have been tidier if they-d c-sectioned her and she just never woke up, rather than dodgy dialogue that carries the inference that people can die simply by wanting to. Because she still cared enough to know exactly what she wanted her kids to be called as soon as they were put in front of her...

B'ah.

You know, that's starting to bug me too now that I'm thinking about it. I was semi-fine with the lost the will to live thing and, *gasp*, didn't think of the children! What kind of crap mother is that?

Interior thoughts by Padme wrote:My hubbie is now a mass-murderer. *Plop* One little boy, Luke's a good name. *Plop* One little girl, Leia's nice. Now that that's done with...... *die*

Way to orphen two kids ya *****.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri May 27, 2005 7:57 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:he uses the force to guide the Lizards movements ? - haha the force, u can close any plot hole with it!!!

Force...Matrix...Matrix...Force...

...Problem-Stucco-Filler.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri May 27, 2005 7:59 pm

Boba, I agree that slaughtering the sprogs was villainous, it's just his reasoning for it that I don't get.

Faith kept killing because Wilkins was the only person who she felt cared about her, so she pretty much just gave in to it. Anakin had Palpatine instead of the Mayor, but he also had Padme, and we know he hadn't given up completely on the Jedi because of his reaction to Windu's death.

Faith didn't have any other options about her path (that she was willing to deal with, at any rate), Anakin did. I understand to some extent, but it just feels artificial.

Jetfire wrote:Prehaps but in the context of VAders character it works. We've know since the Empire Strikes back tthat a 20 years on Vader is, deep down, still motivated by good intentions but under the belief that only the through the darkside can he achieve these noble intentions.

Good point.

So, rather than charting Anakin's turn to evil, Episode III actually illustrates his motivations and state of mind. Meaning that his "redemptive" actions in the later movies are actually him dropping the facade, rather than a full about-face.

Aye?

Still prefer the arc in Buffy, tho. Or are you still on your "Smallville is better" kick? You fffffffffreak.

bobaprime85 · Post by **bobaprime85** » Fri May 27, 2005 8:25 pm

Brendocon wrote:Boba, I agree that slaughtering the sprogs was villainous, it's just his reasoning for it that I don't get.

Understandable, but I view it in tandem with the influence of the Dark Side: He was already on the way there and after the death of Windu, he just let it consume him to the point where his mind was completely screwed up. Because his mind was now screwed up, he can justify things that are simply insane and evil. Or something like that. With Faith, I see a bit closer of a parallel than you do, but I also think that, if she had to deal with the "Dark Side of the Force" she would have become a worse person at a quicker rate. I guess I'm just letting my notions about the power of the Force cloud my judgment to the point where I can say "These aren't the plot holes I'm looking for."

Still prefer the arc in Buffy, tho. Or are you still on your "Smallville is better" kick? You fffffffffreak.

Wait, we have someone who likes Smallville over Buffy? What the hell is wrong with him?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri May 27, 2005 8:45 pm

bobaprime85 wrote:Wait, we have someone who likes Smallville over Buffy? What the hell is wrong with him?

He's insane, that's what.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Fri May 27, 2005 9:13 pm

Listen all of y'all it's a sabotage!!

I'm drunk

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri May 27, 2005 9:15 pm

You mean...

Obfleur wrote:Listen all of y'all it's a sabotage!!

I'm drunk

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Fri May 27, 2005 9:31 pm

bobaprime85 wrote:

Still prefer the arc in Buffy, tho. Or are you still on your "Smallville is better" kick? You fffffffffreak.
Wait, we have someone who likes Smallville over Buffy? What the hell is wrong with him?

Nothing. A far less annoying central character is focused on in Smallville and I enjoy watching it more. That and Lional Luthor is a much better character than all of Buffy's villians.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Sat May 28, 2005 10:04 am

"Unlimited power!"

(thats the crappiest photoshop job I have ever done, but what the hell).

Post by **Best First** » Sat May 28, 2005 10:37 am

Jetfire wrote:
bobaprime85 wrote:

Still prefer the arc in Buffy, tho. Or are you still on your "Smallville is better" kick? You fffffffffreak.
Wait, we have someone who likes Smallville over Buffy? What the hell is wrong with him?
Nothing. A far less annoying central character is focused on in Smallville and I enjoy watching it more. That and Lional Luthor is a much better character than all of Buffy's villians.

When i am king you will be first against the wall.

fffffreak.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun May 29, 2005 12:18 pm

Best First wrote:
Jetfire wrote:
bobaprime85 wrote:

When i am king you will be first against the wall.

fffffreak.

I'll just have to start my own rebellion or rebel alliance and bring an end to your empire.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Sun May 29, 2005 12:31 pm

Jetfire wrote:
Best First wrote:
Jetfire wrote: I'll just have to start my own rebellion or rebel alliance and bring an end to your empire.

Or:
With your opinion which is of no consequence at all.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun May 29, 2005 2:13 pm

Obfleur wrote:
Jetfire wrote:
Best First wrote: Or:
With your opinion which is of no consequence at all.

Never underestimate the power of the, ummmm light side.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Sun May 29, 2005 2:36 pm

Jetfire wrote:
Obfleur wrote:
Jetfire wrote: Never underestimate the power of the, ummmm light side.

Dude, we're singing Paranoid Android by Radiohead

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun May 29, 2005 5:06 pm

Thats creepy. I just ebayed OK Computer because my old one is to scratched to transfer to my IPOD

You creepy Swedish you.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon May 30, 2005 1:51 am

Well, I just finished watching A New Hope over again, and it was almost like watching it for the first time, with all the backstory.

Obi Wan trying to get Luke to leave his home and become a Jedi.....Obi Wan talking about and eventually fighting Vader...it all had a lot more texture thanks to the prequels.

AND I know now why C3PO got mindwiped at the end of III.
It's because at the start of ANH, when Luke stumbles upon the holomessage in R2, R2's all "I gots to go to my Master, Obi Wan Kenobi," and C3PO's all like, "I have no idea what this cat's talking about, Luke. Our last master was General Antilles."

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 30, 2005 11:57 am

Been there, I'm gonna do part V today.

Are you watching the originals, the special editions or the DVD editions?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:38 pm

the special edtion DVD's are so bright and clear, they are amazing...

Post by **Best First** » Mon May 30, 2005 1:33 pm

watched 3 again yesterday - enjoyed it a bit more this time, although i have to say that Palpy cackling his way through the third act is hilarious.

Think i will watch IV today.

Or tomorrow seeing as my flat mate is back today and the entire place is a tip...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon May 30, 2005 2:25 pm

your watch it from the comfort of a tip!! - yay.

I still like 3, I think its good. sometimes I just think that SW sets the bar so high the new films can never attain the same level.

They must be the most disected films made - in comparison to other sc-fi junk that gets released, say, chronicles of riddick - they are above and beyond.

Post by **Best First** » Mon May 30, 2005 3:27 pm

saying something is better than CoR is hardly glowing praise though is it?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon May 30, 2005 3:31 pm

Best First wrote:saying something is better than CoR is hardly glowing praise though is it?

true, I cant think of many other modern space epics right now....

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon May 30, 2005 3:41 pm

I always found the Trek films to be more consistently enjoyable but that's just me. When SW got it right though it was lots of fun.

I can't think of many space-rocket style Scifi flicks now you mention it!

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon May 30, 2005 5:45 pm

The conventional wisdom as far as Star Trek goes is that the even ones (Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, The Borg One, and The Last One) are the stronger and the odds (Motion Picture, Search For Spock, The One With "God", Generations, and Insurrecction) suck.

Although I must say, I preferred III to IV.

But I DEFINETLY think the point about I-III (talking about SW now) being forced to match and/or meet the first three is a valid and important one.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon May 30, 2005 6:10 pm

I've never bought the even good odd bad thing with Trek. Like you said, I preferred Spock over Voyage Home too. I also quite like the Motion picture, despite it being about an hour too long.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 30, 2005 6:15 pm

I don't think its a case of us dissecting the films too much. I simply don't like it when parts of a beloved franchise are reduced to a joke.

Just watched V and its ******* classy stuff.

Added bits: Quite enjoyed the rejigged Emperor/Vader scene (Emperor looks exactly as he does in Sith, saggy neck and all), and I can just about live with Boba as a New Zealander.

The Han/Leia scenes sparkle. What a shame the new stuff is on a completely different page.

I'd take any LOTR film over new SW.

Talking of Trek, I'm a big fan of Parts 2, 3, 4, 6, 8 and 10.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon May 30, 2005 6:28 pm

The undiscovered country is good stuff imo.

The ending is pure sap but I still love it ^_^

3 gets me when the enta'pise 'splodes

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Mon May 30, 2005 6:36 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:The undiscovered country is good stuff imo.

The ending is pure sap but I still love it ^_^

Yeah. I felt it was a great sendoff for the original crew.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon May 30, 2005 6:48 pm

it was very sweet indeed ^_^ disobeying orders one final time

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:30 pm

I thought Episode III was cool-admittedly I wasn't in the best state mentally and physically when I saw it, so hopefully when I see it again I'll enjoy it more.

I have to say though, I found the Emperor to be more like a pantomime villain this time around-that 'No! No! No!' bit during his fight with Mace had me wincing. Not to say that McDiarmid was all bad or anything, just that a lot of the time I personally found him more cartoonish than evil.

Love the way he seduces Anakin though:

Anakin: "So you're the evil bugger what's been doing the bad stuff then?"

Empy: "Yup. Don't tell on us-be yer best mate, promise."

Anakin: "But I'm conflicted-you've been so nice to me...but NO! I must dob you in."

Empy:"Erm...Dark Side! Powers! Save your wife-teach you how, I will!"

Anakin: "How? How do I save my beloved Padme? She's not irritating, like what sand is..."

Empy: "Well, not choking the **** out of her would be a good start..."

Anakin: "Beg pard?"

Empy: "Nowt son."

Anakin: "Anyway-NO! I'm a Jedi, and must uphold Jedi values. Despite you being a non-threatening and quite nice old chap, I shall not display my usual patented brand of extreme arrogance, even though I'm the most skilldest Jedi evah, and beat you into submission and frog march you to the Jedi Council. Nope-instead I shall leave, grass you up and hope you don't scarper in the mean time."

Empy: "Fair enough son. You drive safe. Want a Worthers Original before you go?"

Anakin: "Please. They're cool and creamy-unlike sand, which is hot and irritating."

Empy: "You run along then, my little orphan Annie-see you in a bit when you decide to betray everything you believe in based on the word of someone who's just admitted to being the single most evil and manipulative person in the galaxy."

Anakin: "Awesome. Laters!"

Piss-taking aside, I did enjoy it. I thought the final scene between Anakin and Obi-Wan was fantastic-genuinely got a little choked when watching it.

Looking forwards to seeing it again.