MArvel TF cartoon MKII

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:27 pm

Okay, we've discussed this a lot in the previous "Marvel TF Cartoon" thread and in the Shockwave thread. Let's move the topic here.

The subject is making an new cartoon series in the same vein as the old FOX X-Men cartoon and the new TMNT cartoon: Shows based off of the comics and adapting the stories to the screen.

Before we get into it, we have to realize that it can't jsut be a word-for-word adaptaion, as some of the stories won't fly in 2005, there were retcons that screwed some of the plots up, and there'd be no point in watching the show if it was just a direct adaptation since you could just read the comics.

The show should be based off of the comics, but still try and be original in some stories (Like the X-Men and TMNT shows did), maybe have the stories be in differant order, merge some stories together if they are too similar, and cut some stuff out entirely.

We could also make entirely new stories, fix some continuous stories so the retcons wouldn't really be retcons.

Examples: - Have there be hints all along that the Megatron found in London (the one who became Galvatron in the Time-Travel stories) was Straxus, drop a few hints of the G2 Cybertronian Empire whenever the TFs encountered Alien races, show hints of the real Megs back on Cybertron plotting his plans (but keep him in shadows).

Also, we would need new VAs for some characters. I can't see Welker doing Comic Soundwave, Gregg Berger doing Grimlock, Welker doing Galvatron, Buster Jones doing Blaster, etc. Also, dead VAs cannot be ressurected sadly, so Chris Latta's out of here.

I have a few nominations for the TV chars:

Starscream- Micheal Dobson, I read a really good argument for why it should be him, I'll post it later.

Xaaron- Micheal Kopsa, the voice of Beast on X-Men EVO and Char Aznable in the Gundam dub. This guy has an intelligent, sometimes sarcastic voice, sounds like a good leader-type and just generally fits Xaaron.

Straxus- Clancy Brown, nuff said

Galvatron- David Kaye

Blaster- Either Lawrence Bayne (Cable from the FOX X-Men cartoon) or Jim Byrnes (Thrust from BM)

Carnivac- Scott McNeill's Dinobot voice

Give me ideas...

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:43 pm

Okay here's the reasoning for Micheal Dobson as Starscream:

Posted by Oh Are Ell Why:

"As an actor myself, the prospect of bolstering my career and making money from a dead man's voice is the most disrespectful thing I can think of.

However, my vote goes for Michael Dobson. His work in G.I Joe was all very intentionally distanced from Latta's. He made it his own, yet he stayed true to the character and gave an interesting and dynamic performance, reminiscent of Latta without going as far as to copy him.

He has a genuine passion and understanding of the character, but he also has a great deal of integrity and refuses to do an impression of Latta for personal gain. I respect that tremendously, and I think he'd do a brilliant job given the chance. "

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm

Galvatron - Lenod Nimoy.

Comic all the way, smooth off a few rough edges.

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:39 pm

Thunderwing - The guy who did King hiss in MOTU (only without the hissing).

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:09 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Galvatron - Lenod Nimoy.

Comic all the way, smooth off a few rough edges.

Let's be realistic here, and stay with guy swho would actually DO the voices.

And I think for being faithful to the comics, the FOX X-Men series is the best example: Telling the story, but taking into account all the future retcons, the effect on the rest of the comic, maybe having stories occur in a new order, change some things and characters to fit better with the larger storylines, and tell some original stories in the process.

As for Stormwolf's suggestion, Brian Dobson did King Hiss.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:27 pm

Ok so, even tho there is not gonna be a G1 cartoon thing...

L.Nimoy did actually do the voice in TF the movie and it was superb, so being utterly realistic why not do it for a fantasy TV show.

Id only want to see the comic adaptaed - its good as it is. you can tinker with it. but otherwise it all works.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:43 am

why be realistic? - its not like smeone at Fox KIds is goingto see this thread and say 'hey! Lets do this!"

go crazy.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:04 pm

I think voices are the last thing we need to worry about, more like storylines...

I already have plans to incorporate out-of-order (but good) stories into the storyline, an example:

Prime's Rib would be the prologue to Space Pirates part 2. (since it kinda explains the relationship of Hot Rod and Arcee, also her creation).

Btw, anyo of you saw the JL episode Legends? We could do a similar one, where some minor characters got transported into an alternate reality where Spike is a constant comapinon of the Autobots, Grimlock is dumb, Optimus has to make a speech in every 10 minutes and Megatron always attack some unimportant lcation like the Eifel tower or the statue of Liberty, using his latest "ultimate weapon of the week".

"Holy Hallucinations, Prime!" Cartoon fans throw in the towel...

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:20 pm

We could also change afew things around. Example: In the Ultimate X-Men comics they changed things so that Proteus was Xavier's son while in regular continuity he wasn't (though he was supposed to be).

Why not have a revealtion during the G2 saga where when Prime is seeing Jhaixus' creation (the Matrix vision) he doesn't see that random TF "birthing him" but...himself. Prime's "son" is Jhaixus.

Also, I had an idea for a BW (and maybe later, BM) tie-in episode.

In the opening, prime would be with Buster (Spike, whoever) maybe examing a park or something (during a break in the fighting) and Prime thinks of Earth's alien beauty, and how he one days hopes to restore Cybertron's prestige.

Suddenly, a red wvae of energy consuming everything appears from nowhere, changing whatever it hits. When it envelops Prime, he disappears and suddenly the park is now a ruined battlefield, Buster/Spike is now a binary bonded soldier, and there is an enormous battle raging between the Bots (now including some binary-bonded human soldiers bonded to previously non-master Autobots) led by a battle-damaged Grimlock against the Cons.

It seems the wave was a time wave resulting from a alteration int he past, resulting in a new war-torn reality...

Care to hear more?

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:26 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:We could also change afew things around. Example: In the Ultimate X-Men comics they changed things so that Proteus was Xavier's son while in regular continuity he wasn't (though he was supposed to be).

Why not have a revealtion during the G2 saga where when Prime is seeing Jhaixus' creation (the Matrix vision) he doesn't see that random TF "birthing him" but...himself. Prime's "son" is Jhaixus.

Also, I had an idea for a BW (and maybe later, BM) tie-in episode.

In the opening, prime would be with Buster (Spike, whoever) maybe examing a park or something (during a break in the fighting) and Prime thinks of Earth's alien beauty, and how he one days hopes to restore Cybertron's prestige.

Suddenly, a red wvae of energy consuming everything appears from nowhere, changing whatever it hits. When it envelops Prime, he disappears and suddenly the park is now a ruined battlefield, Buster/Spike is now a binary bonded soldier, and there is an enormous battle raging between the Bots (now including some binary-bonded human soldiers bonded to previously non-master Autobots) led by a battle-damaged Grimlock against the Cons.

It seems the wave was a time wave resulting from a alteration int he past, resulting in a new war-torn reality...

Care to hear more?

Wasn't this a plot in a X-men episode once (one of the few I actually saw)?

Grimlock = Magneto
Prime = Bishop
Spike = Wolverine

Xavier got killed in the past when he was a teenager in that story IIRC.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:57 pm

It was? I think I may remember something like that. This idea was something I based off of an idea one of the guys at transfandom posted about a story of what if BW Megs had suceeded in "Agenda".

Yep, now that I think about it I based the beginning off of that X-Men ep. But it considering the parallels between "Age of Apocalypse" and what BW Megs tried...

Anywho, the Bots would eventually find TM Primal hidden in a stasis pod underneath the Ark, and he'd wake up to the altered world and tell them about the prime timeline.

We'd see the differences: Megatron and Shockwave are dead, since the Bots weren't as deadly without Prime at first, they neevr had a reason to end their personal fight and killed each other. The Bots and Con have each split into several factions (Led by Blaster, Grimlock, Prowl) and one of the Con leaders turns out the be BW Megs who also sealed himself away but awakened before Primal.

Eventually, some of the alternate Bots would go to Cybertron with Primal to build a mock-transwarp drive to tyr and fix things. BW Megs would follow and screw the machine up so they end up in Primal and Meg's home era (the 300 years after war period) only to find Cybertronians are near-extinct and Cybertron was destroyed by "The Chaos Bringer" (never show Unicron up front, but hint at him).

BW Megs would realize his error and decide to help Primal fix things. Primal and him would formulate a plan to send information back into the past version of Primal and Rhinox on how to save Prime. They'd do it but die immeditaly afterwards (being hunted down by Unicron Spawns, one of which looks an afwul lot like Tarantulas...).

Then they'd show what happened in "Optimal Situation" and how they saved him (though Primal doesn't realzie his plan was transmitted into him by the alternate future guys).

The last bit would also be from that X-Men episode, where Spike/Buster asks Prime if he ever thinks the war will end and peace will come. Prime would say he defiantely knows that there will be some peace, and thinks about Primal saving him in the past.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:25 pm

Just noting here, Jhiaxus couldn't be Prime's spawn, since OP left Cybertron before he was created.

No, I think OP rather has links to a much bigger baddie...

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:59 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:Just noting here, Jhiaxus couldn't be Prime's spawn, since OP left Cybertron before he was created.

No, I think OP rather has links to a much bigger baddie...

He's Wheelie's dad

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:47 pm

Stormwolf wrote:
BB Shockwave wrote:Just noting here, Jhiaxus couldn't be Prime's spawn, since OP left Cybertron before he was created.

No, I think OP rather has links to a much bigger baddie...
He's Wheelie's dad

No that's ilogical, Shockwave did it!

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:27 am

Jhiaxus was created before the Ark left, he just wasn't a known figure.

Furman said he originally wanted Jhiaxus to be the "Son" of Starscream, which would explian why he looked kinda like a Seeker model.

Anyways, a fewthings: For the BW tie-in and any future appearances of Primal, I'd change/steamline the BW story in realtion to this version of G1 by saying Primal and Megs were the only time-travellers, and that Megs' plan was just to go and assassinate Prime and Primal went after him. This way we can get more future appearances from Primal wihout involving all the other Beast Warriors and have Primal come back from his future instead of always coming from the past.

Also, we could merge similar storylines that happened close to each other together. I wanted to merge Underbase and Time Wars together and have one big mega-massacre that simultaneously wrapped up the Galvatron plot, the Underbase plot, the "Ratbat as leader" plot, and all that stuff.

Basically, I'd say that it was the time storm that was attracting the Underbase to Earth in the first place (hey, we enevr got an explanation of why it came to Earth of all places in the comic), and have Galvatron be destroyed by Underbase Screamer, his reamins sucked into the Time-Storm, and it being the explosion of Underbase Screamer that sealed the Time warp. The Underbase plot would also explain where all the other Bots were during Time Wars and have the Wreckers also come to help with the Underbase situation as well as Galvatron.

Shockwave would presumably "die" fighting Underbase Screamer (trashed body falling into the atmosphere, again) so everyone's shock at his return makes a little more sense.

Also, I wouldn't have FOrt Max fight Rodimus and co, mainly becuase he'd recognize Rodimus as Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, and any other of HIS OWN TROOPERS who were part of the time squad...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:24 am

right, im sorry but this whole TIme Wars Underbase thing is doing my nut in now.

U say that the time storm was attracting the underbase to earth because it wasnt properly explained.

well can u explain to me why the time storm attracts the underbase which has got sod all to do with freaking time and space as much as wheelie butt has?
its a 'time storm' and your suggesting the destruction of underbase screamer seals the time riftr! wow - bloody why?
what the [composite word including 'f*ck'] has a 'time' storm, and the underbase got in common. it would be called the 'timebase'

they are different ******* storys!!!

you see its called backwards logic, drop it, it doesnt make sense, and why are you so obssesed with putting it all in a 'mega-massacre' ?
Theres no bloody point, your just trying to fit round pegs into square holes for no reason, it all sodding works anyhows, you are taking things and ******* it all up.

and I dont understand the reason why? dont you get it, we all understand the ******* comic anyhows, we dont go "oh how did shockwave get here etc..." we dont want every sodding min of every hour of transformers history laid out on a plate, were not school children. we worked it all out, like hundreds of other readers did in thier time. so if it works for everyone why do u need to try and tie plots that dont belong together, together?

Whats your point for doing this? so u can explain to who?

"oh u see shockwave in space, thats because of blah blah blah" pointless, utterly pointless. its all sodding pointless.

as for Furman calling Jhaxy the sun of starscream - so bloody what? thats means about as much as me changing my mind over what colour my pants will be today.
Soundwave was orginaly the main decepticon leader, not megatron, hence why the decepticon logo looks like Soundwave. but who gives a toss.
and shaxius looks ******* sod all like starscream!!! the G2 cons look more like Cyclonus.

Every sodding thread I walk into theres this toss about TIme Wars meets underbase saga for no other reason then some tiny plot holes no one in thier right mind gives a ******* toss about.
We like the comic, we like the way it is, I like to fill in the odd hole myself, I dont need to be lead around the park by Mr Furman every issue, I have a brain.

Look the comic is what it is, no ones gonna change it, no ones gonna change liking it, FUrman isnt gonna tell you are right either. there will be no remake or edit now.
We like the Comic, I like the comic, there is nothing wrong with it, it works. If you dont like it, tough. it aint changing. now stop suggesting its crap, that Furman is rubbish and that the cartoon is better because Im ******* bored of it.

yes, im slightly ****** off ppl.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:57 am

I didn't mention once in my post Furman was stupid, I was merely suggesting something that has been done many times before: eliminating redundancy. Both stories were important to the comic, but they both happened right next to each other and were both quite similar. There's stuff in the comic that can bedone away with, things can be changed.

Retreading the comic stories 100% is NOT a good thing, it's a disrespect to whoever writes the TV version, it's a disrespect to whoever wrote the original, it's a disrespect to those who bothered to buy the comic and not find a single thing differant, I could go on like this. But suffice to say, if you're offended by people thinking differantly, this is NOT the place for you. Also, learn to type better than a 2nd-grader.

The show would just be based on the older comics, like how the new TMNT is based on the Mirage series but not just a retread, or how FOX X-Men and FOX Spider-Man weren't just retreads of the comic books. Get over it or go away.

Change and ORIGINALITY are good things, don't fear it. Otherwise we'll never get anything new and interesting.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:22 am

And just to show you that merging stories can be done in a tasteful manner:

http://www.forums.toonzone.net/showthre ... ght=Bishop

http://www.forums.toonzone.net/showthre ... ght=Bishop

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:17 am

I myself like the idea of a big merged comic story-- though I don't like the idea of merging Time Wars with Underbase. Too dang complicated. They are good stories alone. Why not let them be good stories?

There are a lot of good ideas floating around the TF universe that are redone over and over again-- such as "Worlds Collide" as compared to "Target 2006" or parts of "The Unicron Saga."

There are also TF stories that are rooted in a great idea, like "War and Peace," but that fizzled out. Or, in "Underbase" case, a great story that started out crappy.

I would like to see an all-encompassing comic-into-cartoon storyline, but only if it has some seriously original elements within it. For example, in the X-men cartoon, Morph was introduced and died, Beast went to jail for the entire first season, and Bishop and Cable's futures were mixed up with "Days of Future Past."

Anyway, I'm interested to see what you came up with. I'm hoping, though, that it is not too highly derivative.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:44 am

Shadowsonic, Impactor is right. You can do a fanfic about your merged story if you like, but what I want is a faithfull adaptation of the comic, with only things changed which must be.

Large stories like these shouldn't be merged... only smaller ones which wouldn't work as a single episode, they'd be too short.

For example, the second and third parts of Matrix Quest could be merged into one episode, the 2 stories going paralell. Thunderwing and co. meet Dogfight, realise he know nothing and leave to the location of the third team, arriving just as LOngtooth is about to finish the Klud.

Also, "LOngtooth's shame" could be put in there as a flashback, explaining why he's so reckless to save other lives by killing the Klud.

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:38 am

I think that it would be better to set the Underbase saga at some point after Timewars.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:43 am

ShadowSonic wrote:Jhiaxus was created before the Ark left, he just wasn't a known figure.

I thought it was quite clear that he didn't exist at all at that point.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:22 pm

Furman said that he wanted Jhiaxus to be Starscream's "Son", so I figured that to mean that Jhiaxus had to have already beeen spawned before the Ark left.

Kinda like how Larry said he wanted Tarry to be G2 Cybertronian and the Vok to be the Swarm, although we never got any evidence for that in the series.

Anyways, one thing I would add is an explanation about Grimlock. I'd explain that his bizarre behavior during his "King Grimlock" phase (and maybe his faulty vocal circutry) was the result of damage he got in the Tar pit (tar shorted out some of his neural circuts?) and after Ratchet repaired him as a Pretender, his neural circuts were restored enough for him to be his Furman self.

I'd also change those little things (Part 1 of Underbase, the first parts of Matrix Quest). We still should have a decent explanation for Shockwave's reapperance, everyone treats him like he was dead (which he was, in the US-only comics) but this wouldn't make much sense in the UK comics.

Also, where the heck did the bad guys get all their bases during the UK comics? How did Galvatron build that whole volcano energy thing in "Fallen Angel"? Where did his "Time Wars" base come from? Where DID Shockwave get that ship in "Decepticon Civil war?"

I'm not sure what to do with Time Wars, I mean if it's after Underbase you'd think Galvatron would've been after the Underbase too or be a part of the battle with Screamer. If it's before Underbase, why were Scorponock the only real Con commander present? Where was Ratbat and his army? Why did they bother to call in the Wreckers when the Bots and Cons had the Master forces of Fort Max and Scorponock?

Why ddi Fort Max attack Rodimus and co when most of them were troopers he'd recgonize?!

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:20 pm

ShadowSonic wrote:Furman said that he wanted Jhiaxus to be Starscream's "Son", so I figured that to mean that Jhiaxus had to have already beeen spawned before the Ark left.

Maybe that was his original plan (I too noticed Jhiaxus looksa lotlike a seeker, plus he says "he's known to me" about Screamer.). However, Prime clearly sees in the Matrix vision that Jhiaxus didn't exist before he left Cybertron...

Kinda like how Larry said he wanted Tarry to be G2 Cybertronian and the Vok to be the Swarm, although we never got any evidence for that in the series.

Good thing too, the Vok sucked majortime...

Anyways, one thing I would add is an explanation about Grimlock. I'd explain that his bizarre behavior during his "King Grimlock" phase (and maybe his faulty vocal circutry) was the result of damage he got in the Tar pit (tar shorted out some of his neural circuts?) and after Ratchet repaired him as a Pretender, his neural circuts were restored enough for him to be his Furman self.

I have an easier one for ya... The Mechanic never happened, Goldbug and Blaster stumble upon the Con spaceship and must work together/save the Cons to defeat the Scraplets. Grimlock gets only a vague report and considers them traitors (we saw in DarkAges he judges others pretty fast...)

I'd also change those little things (Part 1 of Underbase, the first parts of Matrix Quest). We still should have a decent explanation for Shockwave's reapperance, everyone treats him like he was dead (which he was, in the US-only comics) but this wouldn't make much sense in the UK comics.

Well why shouldn't they? Starscream was dead when Shockwave fell to Earth, Mindwipe and Triggerhappy were in Scorpy's group, they left the scene inTimeWars before Shocky arrived. For all purposes, Shocky is 'dead"'- he himself mentions keeping a low profile.

Also, where the heck did the bad guys get all their bases during the UK comics? How did Galvatron build that whole volcano energy thing in "Fallen Angel"? Where did his "Time Wars" base come from? Where DID Shockwave get that ship in "Decepticon Civil war?"

Shockwave had lots of time,he propably salvaged it from the old Con base. Galvy, well he raided human factories and stole stuff. Prime is already dead at the time, the Bots had better things to do then care about humans.

Btw, First Aid and Bumblebee went out to the area tofind Magnus (it makes sense tobring a medic, who knows what the space bridge malfunction did to Magnus.)

I'm not sure what to do with Time Wars, I mean if it's after Underbase

No, it's BEFORE Underbase. You didn't notice Grimlock being alive,huh?

you'd think Galvatron would've been after the Underbase too or be a part of the battle with Screamer. If it's before Underbase, why were Scorponock the only real Con commander present?

You read the annual story, yes? He came to get his head back...

Where was Ratbat and his army? Why did they bother to call in the Wreckers when the Bots and Cons had the Master forces of Fort Max and Scorponock?

They weren't prepared... The Bots had lots of trouble besides Galvy (two Con armies on earth for example...

Why ddi Fort Max attack Rodimus and co when most of them were troopers he'd recgonize?!

He thought they were evilclones. Imean, he know they weren't the real ones, he knew where those were at thetime.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:30 pm

You'd think the Earth-based Cons who served under Shockwave would've told the main Con army (after they left him in"ENemy Action") that Shockwave was still alive.

Grimlock was in Time Wars/ I haven't read it in awhile.

Maybe we can have Time Wars and Underbase happen back to back. Still be seperate stories but it's happeneing at the same time or something. It's my main point of conetention is trying to make a stable and logical timeline. Two similar stories happeneing back to back is pushing it, but I can't think of anything else since Underbase had serious effects on the comic, whereas all Time Wars did was get rid of Galvatron (Face it, without the fight scenes and art, would Time Wars be so remembered?)

Maybe we should just cut out the whole "Fort Max fighting his own troopers" bit, it makes him less of a retard...

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:18 pm

And just to let you guys know I'm not the only one who feels that the show should be more than just a comic retread:

Originally posted by Skullgrin at the Allspark forums:

I think they should do it. For a while I did start to think it would be pointless to do a retelling of G1 but then I started to think of the possibilities if they changed it enough to be fresh and new. They could get rid of the weaker aspects and take from some of the better storylines we got from the comics. Only of course changing those storyarcs just enough to not make them all complete retreads think of the way they did both the new turtles as you mentioned and the way they did the Spiderman and X-men cartoons from the 90's.

I personally think there can be lots of possibilities and I don't want it to be completly loyal to the original but I wouldn't mind if it is based on it just enough to have many simularitys. For example, give us all the same characters but modernize them or use the best incarnation of that character. G1 Megatron needs to be a bit more like his BW counterpart but with the warrior aspect played up a bit more and a heavily modernized version of his original design. I think it would be very interesting for a series like this to have Galvatron as an alt universe character and for them to take influence from some of Furman's storys. I feel Grimlock, Shockwave, Ratchet, should all be more like their comic incarnations while a character like Cyclonus should grab his character from the cartoon.

They could do a lot of interesting storylines with cartoon like this I think if they involve the Quintessions and have some episodes that tell the tale of what Cybertron was like under their rule. A better story revolving Primus and Unicron would be something I would like to see. Instead of a Dark god Unicron could be a giant WMD like people have said and Primus could be some sort of starship supercomputer that created Cybertron before the Quints claimed it for themselves. This way Primus and Unicron have their age old rivalry but it gets toned down to a more realistic level. We could even still have characters like the fallen and Vector Prime this way and at the very least this cartoon could give the transformers a much richer history than even G1 and BW's did.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:38 pm

I hear some ppl think terroism is ok, more then 1 person, so it must be right!

Ill ask again, what is this whole new show thing?

has it been stated they are gonna adapt the comic to a new cartoon somewhere?

But im sticking with as BB said, it all works and fits, so whats the problem?

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:28 pm

Becuase not everyone thinks like you and BB?

And this is just an idea I had from the new TMNT. Thus it will be influenced by that, and since that show was demonstrated how to adapt the comics' storylines but still be original, I say TFs should try the same thing.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:45 pm

So,let me get this straight... I bring up an idea that a new show could be made for TFs like TMNT or JL, and you start bringing it to other fourms?

No probs, but honestly, I wanted to keep it hush-hush and inside the borders of Transfans until it's finished. I'm working on a poster right now, then a 'sketch' version of the first season episodes, which I wanted to drop here to discuss. Once we have tied up all loose ends and all seasons are perfect and all that, I wanted to let it out on other boards,see what other fans think about the finished product.

If we drop only "MarvelTF toon" on a board like SEibertron, without complete explanation, the toon fans will scream 'mechanic',Micromaster Wrestling and all that and stomp the idea tothe ground before we explain it.

Idon't want BW in it, BW HAD a toon. Idon't want cartoon stuff. Again, where is Rocksteady, Bebop and Krang (albeit a cameo) in the new TMNT? Or Channel6? Or the Technodrome? These are as integral elements of the old show as the Quints or the Unicron-Primacron stuff.

Once again...WE DONT NEED THESE. The comic was perfect without them. We should tie uploose plots left unexplained, introduce a few minor characters left out of the comic (like Sixshot) but SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE WHOLE.

ShadowSonic · Post by **ShadowSonic** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:59 pm

You were the first person to make up the topic of this idea. But there were other guys who discussed a similar thing for the last year or so on several other boards too. I didn't put it on Seibertron because that place isn't such a great forum anymore, I put it on Transfandom and Allspark (where I first heard about it from random posting) because they've shown more restraint and thoughtfullness when it came to the subject.

I don't see the problem of incorporating BW and BM into it, since all three are parts of the same whole (just look at the Bishop and Cable episodes in X-Men TAS).

I had a few ideas of my own, can I speak to you via PM about them?