Transformers 3 set for 2011 release. Bay confirmed.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:52 pm

http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/newsblog.html

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:09 pm

Well. [composite word including 'f*ck'] me.

So much for hoping Bayformers was over.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:03 am

Yaya wrote:Well. **** me.

So much for hoping Bayformers was over.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id ... rmers2.htm

There are 832 million reasons why you were hoping in vane.

832 million dollars? Against a budget of 200 million? Even if the advertising budget was 100 million, that leaves a profit of over half a billion dollars. Leaving aside the 2007 movie that's likely more profit than the Transformers brand has brought in during it's entire 25 year history.

By the end of the month, DVD sales will bump the gross up to over one billion dollars.

Then you've got the sales of the soundtrack and score, as well as toy sales.

Michael Bay made Transformers into something that tens of millions of people cared enough about the spend money on.

How many of "us" were there pre-2007 movie? 10k? 50k? Even if the movie killed all of our (their) enthusiasm for the brand, at 10 dollars per ticket, the movie would have lost 100,000-500,000 dollars from a combined total of 832 million. We make up a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

Yes, there are a LOT of "us" who didn't like the first or second movies. Plenty of "us" absolutely hated them. Quite a few can be called on to provide excellent reasons why the movies were worthless in most regards.

But none of that matters. The movie(s) made unbelievable amounts of money for Dreamworks, Paramount, and Hasbro. So we're all free to hate on the movies, the people who make or enjoy them, or the direction of the franchise in general. But to have held out even a sliver of hope that Michael Bay would not be returning to direct TF3 after his first two efforts brought in so much money for so many people, is a wasted effort.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:28 am

At Smooth:

http://www.moviesounds.com/tron/6871.wav

Post by **Best First** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:29 am

Hopefully he can drive the whole thing into the ground then we can get a Nolan-esque reboot.

hmm...

...

Bah.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:04 pm

Best First wrote:Hopefully he can drive the whole thing into the ground then we can get a Nolan-esque reboot.

hmm...

...

Bah.

With the way "geek" trilogies have been going, I'd not be surprised.

Blade 3...

X-Men 3...

Spider-Man 3...

IronHide · Post by **IronHide** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:48 am

Hey. I still have hope that the Ironman/Avengers movies will be amazing. Everything else has let me down up to this point.

(Batman of course the lone exception)

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:02 pm

The Dark Knight is the most overrated film in history.

Everytime I watch it, I just think it got caught up in the hype. It's a good film, but great? No way.

I still think the first one was better.

And certainly The Crow blew it out of the water, as did the old Superman I and II films in terms of enjoyment.

Hell, I think the Watchmen, the second Hulk and the first X-men movie were more entertaining.

In other news regarding Pirates of the Carribean:

According to a tip received by Cinema Blend, the studio is preparing to replace Depp if/when he decides to abandon ship. This may not happen with "On Stranger Tides," as Disney is likely prepared to offer him as much money as it takes to keep him aboard. The actor, who is said to be aware the last two movies "sucked," will definitely not be sticking around for the fifth and sixth installments if the tipster is to be believed.

Glad to know even Depp thought the last two Pirates movies sucked. For a minute there, I thought he was losing his good sense.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:34 pm

It'd be a nice place as any to insert that pic of Prowl going "NOOOOOOOO!!!" from Marvel's 'Still Life'.

I predict we'll now see Prime's and Megatron's balls as well, Unicron will be the main villain but he'll be defeated by Optimus in 30 seconds who powers up by assimilating Wheelie and his dirty speech skills. Also, Simmons is finally put into a straightjacket for believing in giant robots whom half the planet has already seen, but the goverment still denies they exist, and Sam and Mikaela have a hilarious sex scene on Bumblebee's backseet.

Of course knowing the team behind Bayformers, it'll be much worse then what I predicted.

Well, here's hoping that there won't be a 4th...

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:00 pm

My god...it's going to be at least three more years before transformers interests me again, isn't it?

BB Shockwave wrote:Well, here's hoping that there won't be a 4th...

I started hoping there wouldn't be a fourth as soon as the second was announced. The third was almost guaranteed for reasons Smooth mentioned(ouch, that hurt).

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:26 pm

If you didn't like the first or second movies, then why are you wasting your time posting about the third one? You know you're not going to like it. You know that everything you disliked about the first two will be back. You know that there will be even more added that you dislike.

Do something else.

There are the IDW comics. You could focus on them for awhile.

Hate the IDW comics? You could just wait for the announcement of the new animated series.

Don't want to wait? There's 25 years worth of fiction and merchandise out there. Surely there's something that you actually like.

There are some people who, no joke, I have never seen post anything positive about the brand. Ever. The G1 cartoon was terrible, the toys were bricks, Beast Wars was an insult, Beast Machines was an abortion, RiD was anime crap, Armada was nothing but Pokeformers, Energon had the worst animation ever, Cybertron was pure kiddy crap, Dreamwave's nothing but fanwank, Furman's repetitive, the movie killed my childhood, the sequal was even worse, Animated's art style was meant for two-year olds, and now we have to wait through three more years of crap until the new movie bombs and we get things back to the way they should be...

If the only part of your hobby that you enjoy is complaining about most of it, may I humbly suggest that you find a hobby that you enjoy? Or at least have more positive to say than negative?

Mr_Tigg · Post by **Mr_Tigg** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:38 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:If you didn't like the first or second movies, then why are you wasting your time posting about the third one? You know you're not going to like it. You know that everything you disliked about the first two will be back. You know that there will be even more added that you dislike.

Do something else.

There are the IDW comics. You could focus on them for awhile.

Hate the IDW comics? You could just wait for the announcement of the new animated series.

Don't want to wait? There's 25 years worth of fiction and merchandise out there. Surely there's something that you actually like.

There are some people who, no joke, I have never seen post anything positive about the brand. Ever. The G1 cartoon was terrible, the toys were bricks, Beast Wars was an insult, Beast Machines was an abortion, RiD was anime crap, Armada was nothing but Pokeformers, Energon had the worst animation ever, Cybertron was pure kiddy crap, Dreamwave's nothing but fanwank, Furman's repetitive, the movie killed my childhood, the sequal was even worse, Animated's art style was meant for two-year olds, and now we have to wait through three more years of crap until the new movie bombs and we get things back to the way they should be...

If the only part of your hobby that you enjoy is complaining about most of it, may I humbly suggest that you find a hobby that you enjoy? Or at least have more positive to say than negative?

Are you Denton? Are you Denton? Are you Dennnnnnnnntooooooonnn in disguise? So the song goes.

Seriously that post was like something straight out of IDW forums.

What if you quite enjoyed the first movie, but thought the second one was a steaming pile of cyber-poop? How does that fit into your uber rant?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:53 pm

Mr_Tigg wrote:
Are you Denton? Are you Denton? Are you Dennnnnnnnntooooooonnn in disguise? So the song goes.

Seriously that post was like something straight out of IDW forums.

What if you quite enjoyed the first movie, but thought the second one was a steaming pile of cyber-poop? How does that fit into your uber rant?

I've never been the IDW forums, so I have no idea what this means.

Since IDW's boards are probably at least browsed by the people who create their comics, I'd say that criticism there could be meaningful. "Hey people who write the books! We've got some concerns!"

I'm not going to be one of those people who tells others what they can and can't talk about. I want to know why people seem to enjoy talking about the parts of their hobby that they DISLIKE more than the parts that the LIKE. Especially online. What do you get out of it? What's the appeal?

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:08 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:If you didn't like the first or second movies, then why are you wasting your time posting about the third one?

Because I have time to waste, and this is a discussion board where you can, you know, discuss something. I shouldn't have to keep any negative opinions to myself.

There are some people who, no joke, I have never seen post anything positive about the brand. Ever. The G1 cartoon was terrible, the toys were bricks, Beast Wars was an insult, Beast Machines was an abortion, RiD was anime crap, Armada was nothing but Pokeformers, Energon had the worst animation ever, Cybertron was pure kiddy crap, Dreamwave's nothing but fanwank, Furman's repetitive, the movie killed my childhood, the sequal was even worse, Animated's art style was meant for two-year olds, and now we have to wait through three more years of crap until the new movie bombs and we get things back to the way they should be...

If the only part of your hobby that you enjoy is complaining about most of it, may I humbly suggest that you find a hobby that you enjoy? Or at least have more positive to say than negative?

I'm not one of those people, and I have never seen all of those complaints come out of a single person's mouth. I still like about half of the fiction, most of the toys, and I have other hobbies. I shouldn't have to keep my mouth shut and/or abandon the franchise if I don't have anything nice to say at the moment, or post one negative for every three positive posts.

I calls 'em as I sees 'em. Why does that bother you?

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:46 am

Mr_Tigg wrote: What if you quite enjoyed the first movie, but thought the second one was a steaming pile of cyber-poop?

Or worse yet, you liked the first movie, but when you saw the second, it was so bad that it actually made you go back and dislike the first.

That's how bad TF2 was for me.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:29 am

I want to know why people seem to enjoy talking about the parts of their hobby that they DISLIKE more than the parts that the LIKE. Especially online. What do you get out of it? What's the appeal?

Liking ****'s not "cool", yo. Being an asshat is the in thing now, dont'cha know?

And when you're generally a miserable bastard in the first place, bitching and moaning just comes naturally. Especially on the internet.

Me- I liked the movies. The second was kind of stupid and I really could have done without having devastator's "balls" hangng in my face, but it had robots and things blowing up, which is about as much as I expected.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:49 am

saysadie wrote:
I want to know why people seem to enjoy talking about the parts of their hobby that they DISLIKE more than the parts that the LIKE. Especially online. What do you get out of it? What's the appeal?
Liking ****'s not "cool", yo. Being an asshat is the in thing now, dont'cha know?

I think I may just be getting too old for this whole "message board" thing.

I get the whole "opinion" thing. But I don't get how far these things get taken sometimes. Go to Bottalk or Seibertron and there are people who, after two years, are still talking about how terrible the first movie was. If you didn't like it, then why on earth are you still talking about it?

There's a huge difference between a negative review and "hating." New issue of All Hail Megatron comes out and most posters can give you a point by point review of why it was terrible. I get that. That's totally understandable.

But this? All we know is that TF3 is going to come out in July of 2011 and that Michael Bay is going to direct it. The vitriol directed towards that tiny spec of info is HATING. It's hating for the sake of hating. And that I simply do not understand.

Full disclosure, though: It took moving to another country to understand that, as far as entertainment is concerned, it's possible to focus on what you like and just ignore the things you don't. People here are notorious for devoting every possible second to their passions. There simply isn't any time for stuff they don't like.

I remember having this conversation in a bar:

Bartender: Do you like Japanese animation?
Me: A little bit.
Bartender: Do you like Dragonball?
Me: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Bartender: Did you see the live-action movie?
Me: I did. It was terrible.
Bartender: Ha, yeah! Did you see "Oi! Son Goku and his Friends Return?"
Me: Awww, yeah!
(everyone else in the bar, who had been ignoring us until then): How great was that! It was awesome! So good! (etc, for like 90 minutes).

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:47 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
Full disclosure, though: It took moving to another country to understand that, as far as entertainment is concerned, it's possible to focus on what you like and just ignore the things you don't. People here are notorious for devoting every possible second to their passions. There simply isn't any time for stuff they don't like.

Which is part of the reason why the Japanese can stretch the limits of imagination like no other.

The Japanese are risk takers in their arts. They will try anything, and it's for this reason why they are able to churn out masterpieces like the movie Hero or the manga Monster or this new movie I'm hearing about from my bro that would do LOTR proud in terms of cinematography, called Red Cliff. Or Spirited Away. The list goes on. They even made Godzilla an icon.

They probably realize this approach of risk taking might result in some ****, but as you say, they move on and try something new.

For every Ponyo, there is a Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke. And for that, I am grateful.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:19 pm

Yaya wrote:
The Japanese are risk takers in their arts. They will try anything, and it's for this reason why they are able to churn out masterpieces like the movie Hero

Hero the Chinese film?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:58 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Yaya wrote:
The Japanese are risk takers in their arts. They will try anything, and it's for this reason why they are able to churn out masterpieces like the movie Hero
Hero the Chinese film?

There's a Japanese "Hero" too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_(2007_film)

Red Cliff's Chinese, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cliff_(film)

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:44 pm

Smooth, no need to get all "politically correct" on us. Mr. Tigg is right, this attitude is better left to the IDW board moderators...

Certainly, you'll find most TF fans do not like this or that part of the franchise, same way many Spiderman fans will hate the Movies or Spectacular Spiderman... The difference is, unlike with Spiderman or Batman, Hasbro pretty much sold out the franchise for cash - as you so eloquently explained, Bayformers made TONS of cash for Hasbro (thus paving the way for ROTF AND GI Joe) while alienating some (I'd say most, but we do not have figures...) of the older fans. Spiderman (well the first two movies anyway) was almost the same as the source material - unlike with Prime, they didn't re-made Spidey's costume with flames since it's "rad"... And well Batman Begins was everything Batman is about.

In 2007 I understood this is a good thing for us too since this made Hasbro enough money that they could churn out stuff like Classics Universe, Titanium, G1/BW reissues besides the Movie toys, PLUS it made enough money that they could create a totally different TF series then the movie with its separate toyline, Animated.

The trouble is/was: in 2009, it was different. Hasbro, instead of keeping the many facets of the toyline, choose to streamline - everything was cancelled in favour of ROTF. Animated, Classics, even Robot Heroes's "Universe" line, the Animated toon is dead, and although Don says it's his decision, even the IDW comics start to use the ROTF aesthetics.

Now... it's pretty hard to like this streamlined franchise, if you are NOT fan of the Bayformer style, characters, personalities (murderous face-ripping Prime, anyone?) or the toys. And please don't say "there are 25 years of previous stuff" because as much fun Animated was, I cannot watch only that 3 seasons for the upcoming 3 years. Though I will, of course, re-watch it... but if you get pancakes every morning for breakfast, you will start to grow bored of pancakes, catch my Drift (TM by Shame McCarthy)?

The toyline ROTF-style change is not such a huge issue for me - I'll simply use the money I'd have spent on them to buy G1 toys I could not afford, by saving up. Still, it is a big issue for many people.

My biggest gripe is, I do not like the ROTF stories, IDW started getting less and less good... while I will no doubt re-read stuff like G2 or IDW's first G1 volumes, I'd prefer to have good new material.

And frankly, I hardly think you can find someone who hates ALL the TF stuff since G1. They have to like something - otherwise, they are not real TF fans, just Gobot fans who logged into the wrong forum.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:53 pm

many Spiderman fans will hate the Movies or Spectacular Spiderman

No need to be hatin' on that when we have One More Day.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:26 pm

oops, double post

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:30 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:
Yaya wrote:
The Japanese are risk takers in their arts. They will try anything, and it's for this reason why they are able to churn out masterpieces like the movie Hero
Hero the Chinese film?
There's a Japanese "Hero" too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_(2007_film)

Red Cliff's Chinese, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cliff_(film)

The Hero I'm thinking of I think is the Chinese one (the one with Jet Li). And Red Cliff is Chinese as well?

Hmm. Looks like the Chinese might be catching up with the Japanese in the film making department.

I mean, after that Opening Ceremony at the Olympics masterpiece (take a peak at these pics, guys: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/0 ... emony.html ) , should it really surprise me what kind of aesthetic works of art the Chinese are capable of? That was the greatest show the world has known.

I'm always afraid that Western influence will reach Japan and China, and dilute their genius with gimmicky products. I think the Chinese are too proud. The Japanese? I don't know, what do you think Smooth? Are you seeing Western influence in the culture of Japan, and are they still holding firmly to their heritage?

The toyline ROTF-style change is not such a huge issue for me - I'll simply use the money I'd have spent on them to buy G1 toys I could not afford, by saving up. Still, it is a big issue for many people.

Since ROTF, I've spent way more now on Star Wars toys and paraphanalia that TF.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:14 am

Yaya wrote:

I'm always afraid that Western influence will reach Japan and China, and dilute their genius with gimmicky products. I think the Chinese are too proud. The Japanese? I don't know, what do you think Smooth? Are you seeing Western influence in the culture of Japan, and are they still holding firmly to their heritage?

Japan's been influenced by America for the past 60 years. However, we always put our own unique spin on things. That's part of the beauty of it.

Do a google search for "God Jesus" robot" to find out what I mean.

Here's some news that should make those who like to complain happy: Orci and Kurtzman (the two guys who would hang out on TF boards when they weren't writing the movies) aren't returning for TF3.

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:37 am

This is why Bay is WORSE than Boll.
They both make equal ****, with equally poor acting, equally poor direction, equally poor GODDAMN CAMERA ANGLES, equally poor writing... The only difference is, Bay gets a budget a thousand times the size of Boll's, and more publicity, and people lap it up.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:59 am

Professor Smooth wrote:
Here's some news that should make those who like to complain happy: Orci and Kurtzman (the two guys who would hang out on TF boards when they weren't writing the movies) aren't returning for TF3.

However, Ehren Krueger, the third writer, will stay.

Apparently he's a "BIG TF FAN" which means he watched the Cybertron cartoon, hence the OP-Jetfire combo was his idea.

Also, apparently so were Devastator's balls and the dog-on-dog action.

Which I guess answers the question "can it get any worse"?

In other news/rumors, it seems Megan Fox will be killed off early on and replaced with another come-and-go pussycat actress. Apparently, the movieline that made her a star ain't no good for Miss "Shakespear Actress".

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:00 pm

I thought the first movie was average but the 2nd was so ******* bad it's was an insult to cinema, fans, ppl paying money to watch etc...

I hope the 3rd movie is better.

Jack Cade · Post by **Jack Cade** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:00 am

Yaya wrote:I'm always afraid that Western influence will reach Japan and China, and dilute their genius with gimmicky products. I think the Chinese are too proud. The Japanese? I don't know, what do you think Smooth? Are you seeing Western influence in the culture of Japan, and are they still holding firmly to their heritage?

Yaya, did you post this message in 1938 or something? ;-)

It's the massive post-war Western influence on Japanese culture that gave us Kurosawa and ... well, all manga and anime ever.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:08 am

Jack Cade wrote:
Yaya wrote:I'm always afraid that Western influence will reach Japan and China, and dilute their genius with gimmicky products. I think the Chinese are too proud. The Japanese? I don't know, what do you think Smooth? Are you seeing Western influence in the culture of Japan, and are they still holding firmly to their heritage?
Yaya, did you post this message in 1938 or something? ;-)

It's the massive post-war Western influence on Japanese culture that gave us Kurosawa and ... well, all manga and anime ever.

The tools they might have been given by the West, but not their genius.

I'm reading Naruto right now, and it's better than 95% of the stuff here. Same with Monster.

The Japanese aren't afraid to think outside the box. Money doesn't seem to be the driving force behind their creativity.

When the Japanese come out with their version of a live action Transformers movie, I think it will only back this up.