Pat lee splits with DreamEngine?

[Best First]

It seems that Everyone's favourite Transformers Artist (TM) may have run into some similar issues at DreamEngine as he did at Dreamwave.

Rich Johnson at Comic Book Resources reports

Forget John Byrne, Alan Moore or "Lost Girls." Back to the numero uno LITG obsessional target. Pat Lee. Previously, with his brother Roger Lee, heads of Dreamwave, a company that spent a lot on the party lifestyle and Porsches (for Pat and Roger), had a secured loan from their parents (which sucked out any capital when the company went bust) and then formed DreamEngine, which was siphoning off the revenue stream from Marvel before the collectors were called in. And who is now working for DC on "Superman/Batman."

Well, it seems Pat Lee and his partners at DreamEngine have had a big falling out. I'm told it's down to how money is being spent without making much for the company in return. And now Pat is no longer a part of Dream Engine. Staff are in dispute with the three parties, as Pat is refusing to pay his staff because he believes that it is the LA partners' responsibilities (which it may well be) - however those artists continue to work for Pat on his comic book assignments. Sound familiar?

Maybe they're being paid for in muffins from Just Desserts...

the suggestion that this may lead Pat to form a new company named DreamPotato remains pure speculation at this point.

[Manchester Devil]

I heard him deny rumours that he was forming a company named Shockwave.

[Predabot]

Unbelievable. I'm going to assume however that one of his business-partners, namely his brother is not in dissagrement about money-things?

They are still co-owners of most DreamEngine stuff, no?

These investors , the "LA Partners" what can we assume that they actually do for DreamEngine? Pat says according to this rumour that they are the ones that are obliged to pay some of the employees.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Haha - I feel sorry for the artists but seriously Pat needs locking up, hes a tit.

[Shanti418]

Hey, those artists aren't people, they're simply pistons in the engine which produces Pat's Dreams, ok?

[Guest]

I will be among the first to congratulate Pat when his next company, DreamGoose, lays its golden egg.

Then, I'll be among the first with a whisk when the egg cracks.

[Professor Smooth]

At Chicago's giant comic book convention, Wizard World, I asked Marvel EIC Joe Quesada why, if they'd just signed Michael Turner, did they still need the services of a no-talent thief like Pat Lee. He answered my question with a "no comment" and refused to even look at me again for the rest of the panel. This was rather amusing as I was sitting right in front of him and you could actually see him averting his gaze when he would accidentally look to my eye-level. Ironically, though, since signing Michael Turner (and Aspen Studios), I don't think Pat Lee and DreamEngine have done a single piece of work for Marvel. Apparently Marvel agreed with me after all.

[Best First]

youve got to love how these guys, whose salaries we pay, always step up to teh plate when the difficult questions get asked.

[spiderfrommars]

A good name for his next company: Dream Destroyer. At least he excels in something.

[Professor Smooth]

After all is said and done, do you think there'll still be a place in comics for Pat Lee?

[sprunkner]

Once he gets out of rehab.

[Guest]

After all is said and done, do you think there'll still be a place in comics for Pat Lee?

As a recurring character in the funny pages - definitely!

[Aardvark]

Hey come on guys, don’t take cheap shots at Pat. Perhaps if you could see it from his perspective…

Unfortunately I can never see Pat Lee’s perspective, especially in his artwork!

Badumdumtish…

[KingMob]

A gossipy update on the nefarious doings of Mr Lee:

My sources inform me that Pat Lee is no longer a part of Dream Engine and that the departure involved a dispute over personal projects. The Executive side of this disagreement seems to be saying that Pat Lee was using too much company money for personal projects. Pat Lee's side seems to be that built-in caps on the amount of money Pat Lee was able to make on Dream Engine work justified more emphasis on separate deals. Fall-out over this clash seems to include Pat's brother and co-investor Roger Lee, who I am told was also let go, and allegedly the pulling of extra funding for Dream Engine.

As a result, I currently understand that Pat Lee is refusing to pay certain Dream Engine artists, even those working on projects credited to him, and who are now told to ask Yeon Yi for money. It's not looking good. Dream Engine e-mails, phone numbers and even the website are dead. The site is currently in admin mode, which can make for some entertaining statistic reading (apparently on an average of 11 hits a day).

Pat Lee recently helped his partner, Aimee Chan to win Miss Hong Kong 2006. He's been in Hong Kong for the last month or so while Alex Milne has been helping him get his work done.

Milne has been ghosting for Pat on most of his recent work. Previously credited as background assistant, when creating entire backgrounds, design and page layouts, after he took over drawing characters as well, he stopped getting credited at all.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13

To the surprise of no-one.

[Best First]

its almost as if this has happened before...

I have som eadvice for you Pat, its quite concise (much like the plot G1 vol1) so hopefully you will be able to follow it: Don't be a c***.

[spiderfrommars]

Milne deserves better.

[Best First]

yeah, although frankly after seeing what happend at DW he is a bit daft for tailing lee to Spunk Engine.

[BB Shockwave]

I have a dastardly plan...

Let IDW hire Pat Lee to draw the (live-action) movie tie-in comic!

Imagine that wirey/naked Prime in marshmellow style! The movie will be ruined! Cobraaaaahahahahaha!!! OK now I'm ranting. Sorry. Still can't get parts of the script out of my head...

[Guest]

I have a dastardly plan...

Let IDW hire Pat Lee to draw the (live-action) movie tie-in comic!

Imagine that wirey/naked Prime in marshmellow style! The movie will be ruined! Cobraaaaahahahahaha!!! OK now I'm ranting. Sorry. Still can't get parts of the script out of my head...

Dougal! That's a brilliant idea! [/Father Ted]

[Rabbit_Nabokov]

Wow so many people hating on pat. I dont know in high school he was a alright guy. I still remember us looking like assholes with the bell bottoms. Me more so wit da red ones. any ways 20th century boys manga pwns all comiics. comics sux so suck an egg

besides i looked at some of the work artist or former artist from dream whatever and from what i gather besides writing or drawing for transformer their other works suck. i was reading tokyo storm tower written by warren ellis and the concept was good but the artist couldnt tell a story if his life depended on it besides having a script right in from of him. no direction what so ever like a brain fart. so i think from what im seeing his former staff have no where else to go cause without pat they be going back to school to find themselves. not. so let'em hate cause u aint sh** anyways

[Professor Smooth]

...what?

[KingMob]

so let'em hate cause u aint sh** anyways

No. I rule. Know why?

I pay my employees (decent wages too) and don't take credit for their work.

Go to the usual link:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
To see more examples of how awesome everyone's favourite high school shower buddy is at doing both.

[Best First]

Wow so many people hating on pat. I dont know in high school he was a alright guy. I still remember us looking like assholes with the bell bottoms. Me more so wit da red ones. any ways 20th century boys manga pwns all comiics. comics sux so suck an egg

besides i looked at some of the work artist or former artist from dream whatever and from what i gather besides writing or drawing for transformer their other works suck. i was reading tokyo storm tower written by warren ellis and the concept was good but the artist couldnt tell a story if his life depended on it besides having a script right in from of him. no direction what so ever like a brain fart. so i think from what im seeing his former staff have no where else to go cause without pat they be going back to school to find themselves. not. so let'em hate cause u aint sh** anyways

right.

Firstly, its clear that a statement such as “manga pwns all comiics” is an unquantifiable assertion given the ridiculously broad headings of ‘Manga’ and ‘Comics’ an the huge variance in quality within both sub headings. You could almost go so far as to say that such a simplistic statement makes you look a bit of an uneducated moron.

Secondly its Tokeo Storm Warning. Getting your facts right is again a good idea if you want to avoid looking like a bit of a rasclatt.

Thirdly what artist would try and draw a comic without a script in front of him? This criticism seems so bizarre that I am starting to think you may have missed a repeat prescription of some kind – please look into this, I would hate for them to have to cart you away again just because you missed a dose. Think of all the Manga and l33t speak you would miss out on.

Fourthly if any of these artists can’t tell stories with their art it seems rather likely that they inherited this skill from Pat doesn’t it? Seeing as he couldn’t tell a story with art if his old chap depended on it. That is assuming he hasn’t in fact already given his peewee to Satan as some kind of down payment.

Finally even if Pat’s employee’s had nowhere else to go he rather robbed them of any choice given that he stopped paying them, did he?

Thanks for saying that we “Ain’t sh**” – its nice to not be sh**, by which I can only assume you mean good.

I mean if I were you I would certainly look up to pretty much everyone.

[spiderfrommars]

Go to the usual link:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
To see more examples of how awesome everyone's favourite high school shower buddy is at doing both.

Guess that explains why Pat's stuff in the Summer special and TF/Gi-Joe was half good. Because he didn't do it.

[Rabbit_Nabokov]

Well f@#$ me silly
Read 20th Century boys and tell me later if manga pwns comics

Have you read anything else besides fantasy. I would like to reccomend something that is genuis in its own genre. Its called 20th Century Boys by naoki urasawa, Its just Nuts hence his studio is called studio NUTS. Although you might say "manga thats for kids" heres my respomse this is seinen manga which means it targeted for a older audience. So give it a chance. If you are wondering how you can get it first goto http://www.gotlurk.net and query "20th century boys" on the search bar to get the commands. Then you have to get mirc, I know your saying this is daunting and not worth your effort BUT it is. Scott I just want to see a hit from thats inspired from this manga. so okay, get mirc then with mirc logon to irchighway.net and then reg your logon name goto #help someone will help you there. Then finally join #lurk channel and place the the commands that gotlurk.net told you.

#lurk@irchighway.net

1)a] get mirc
b] configure DCC to auto accept files
i}SHIFT+O--->scroll down--->highlight DCC--->choose auto get file, minimize and RESUME
2) logon to irchighway.net
3) register your logon name
4) join #lurk channel
5) goto http://www.gotlurk.net
6) query "20th century boy" on search bar
7) copy paste command on command line

or you can just copy paste this

/msg mirrors xdcc send #36
or
/ctcp mirrors xdcc send #36

heres a index of 20th century boys

Mirrors # 36 2062x 43M 20th_Century_Boys_v01[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 37 1598x 38M 20th_Century_Boys_v02[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 38 1503x 41M 20th_Century_Boys_v03[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 39 1461x 40M 20th_Century_Boys_v04[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 40 1451x 41M 20th_Century_Boys_v05[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 41 1413x 40M 20th_Century_Boys_v06[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 42 1362x 40M 20th_Century_Boys_v07[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 43 1362x 46M 20th_Century_Boys_v08[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 44 1339x 44M 20th_Century_Boys_v09[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 45 1361x 39M 20th_Century_Boys_v10[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 46 1341x 41M 20th_Century_Boys_v11[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 47 1356x 42M 20th_Century_Boys_v12[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 48 1345x 41M 20th_Century_Boys_v13[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 49 1355x 43M 20th_Century_Boys_v14[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 50 1324x 43M 20th_Century_Boys_v15[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 51 1345x 38M 20th_Century_Boys_v16[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 52 1439x 41M 20th_Century_Boys_v17[Hawks-MS].zip
Mirrors # 53 1878x 51M 20th_Century_Boys_v18[Manga-Heaven].zip
Mirrors # 54 1831x 47M 20th_Century_Boys_v19[Manga-Heaven].zip
Mirrors # 55 1587x 51M 20th_Century_Boys_v20[Manga-Heaven].zip
Mirrors # 56 340x 51M 20th_Century_Boys_v21[Manga-Heaven].zip

Laterz,

Im just sharing th wealth
PS if you know anything thats grounbreaking like
The Prince of Nothing Trilology,
The Watchmen,
Catcher in the RYE
&
The 20th Century Boys Manga
tell me

[The Last Autobot]

Go to the usual link:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
To see more examples of how awesome everyone's favourite high school shower buddy is at doing both.

Guess that explains why Pat's stuff in the Summer special and TF/Gi-Joe was half good. Because he didn't do it.

I dont get it. Pat Lee must have a dirty secret about Milne or something like that to have him doing all the work in Dw and Dreamwithoutengine.

[Rabbit_Nabokov]

i think its called loyalty

[Kaylee]

random rant

What has this got to do with Pat Lee?

His work is to Manga what my art is to Geoff Senior- a poor imitation.

The subject is Pat Lee, nobody is trying to start a Western Vs. Eastern comic artwork flamewar afaics.

This isn't Rob playing another joke is it?

[Professor Smooth]

Nobody here would make the argument that "manga is for kids" anymore than they'd say that comics are. We're not hating on Manga. We're hating on Pat Lee. Why are we hating on Pat Lee?

Pat Lee, at great personal expense, bought the Transformers comic book license. He gave the job of writing it to someone who clearly had no concept of what ANY version of The Transformers was all about. To make thing worse, Pat Lee's art (not his style, not his influence, his art) made the first TF series completely incomprehensible. Characters were drawn so far off model that the only through the actions of the colorist were we able to tell who was who.

Dismal first volume finally over, he brought in some new guy to write while continuing to draw characters off model, out of scale, and for reasons we're still not entirely sure of, really REALLY puffy.

Right around that time he brought in some talent that had an established fanbase. Veteran Transformers writer Simon Furman, and fan favorite artist, Don Figueroa. This decision proved to be the ONLY one that he'd made that seemed worth a damn, so he brought in more fan artists like Joe Ng and Guido Guidi. These guys draw the bots the way they were meant to be drawn and fans ate it up.

Then came the holidays and a whole bunch of delays. Books shipped weeks late, months late, then not at all. Over the Dreamwave Christmas holiday, Pat Lee told his employees that the new year would get them back on schedule then promptly filed for bankruptcy protection. Writers and artists were unpaid for the last 3 months worth of books. When Pat refused to accept delivery for the most recent art they'd turned in, they got stuck paying the Fed-Ex fees when they were returned to their senders. The only secured creditors were his parents. The only assets that weren't liquidated were the two Porches that he'd purchased with company money. None of his employees were ever paid and most learned of the company's collapse on Fan Sites like this one, because he never bothered to contact them himself.

Then, within a WEEK of completely screwing over these people, he started up a new company called Dream Engine. He then proceeded to do the EXACT SAME THING to another group of young artists. This time, though, the entire company was working entirely to make him look good. No credit was given to any of these workers. The only credit you saw on any of the books Dream Engine worked on was "Pat Lee: and Dream Engine." It came out recently that most of the work that Pat Lee took the credit for was done ENTIRELY by other artists.

We don't hate Manga. We just hate this vile excuse for a human being who screwed many of our friends out of tens of thousands of dollars and caused the Transformers comic book license to be held up in legal limbo for a year. We hate his art because he's a terrible artist. He can't tell a story to save his life. Most of the art he's done over the past 2 years hasn't even been his own. He's the worst kind of human being and I would like nothing more than to read on Comic Book Resources that he'd hung himself in his own basement.

[Kaylee]