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X-Men (Spoilers, so many Spoilers)

Post by Best First » Tue May 27, 2014 10:39 am

I know Yaya started a 2014 movies topic but i think this deserves it's own thread due to being freaking awesome.

Second time this year i have been as excited after a movie as before (Cap being the other) which is a thoroughly enjoyable sensation.

Anyway, spoilery spoil spoils;

Loved:
-The use of Mystique's power to justify the Sentinels' adaptability - i have always struggled with the notion that Sentinels can adapt to any power set (how do you adapt to being stabbed and blasted) but this (in a comic book sense) held water for me… and made Jennifer Lawrence pivotal which is obvious win
- Blink in general, fast portal special in particular
- Storm kicking ass, plus a great death scene
- Macavoy and Piccard on screen together.
- The general sense of humour to it all – balanced pathos with a lightness of touch when it could be afforded
- The Quicksilver scene as a piece of cinematic brilliance and just Quicksilver in general (can’t see Avenger’s 2 comparing well in comparison)
- The subtle playing of Bobby and Kitty’s relationship in the future and then the switch at the end
- The ending, in all its self-indulgent glory, but specifically: CYCLOPS!!

Would have liked:
- More future Magneto, and specifically more future Magnus and Xavier interaction
- Colossus to have been a bit more powerful, fastball aside, he seemed to go down pretty easily for an A-list x-ma

Minor Niggles:
- Past Beast was a little bit of a dweeb and his role as Xavier’s caretaker/pusher seemed a little forced
- Couldn’t see a good reason for Quicksilver to be sent home

Overall though: woohoo.
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Re: X-Men (Spoilers, so many Spoilers)

Post by Brendocon » Tue May 27, 2014 12:04 pm

Wasn't keen on Kitty randomly having the power to send brains back through time, though I can see why they did that.

Wasn't clear on the timeline exactly due to me thinking they said Mystique was captured and dissected in the 70s, as surely this means the sentinels were active from that point on and she wasn't, meaning the original films can't really progress as oh look I've gone cross-eyed.

Would have liked the altered history to have included a new and better actor for Cyclops, but whatever.

Quicksilver wasn't enough of absolute prick.

Other than that, the entire thing was ******* ace.

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Re: X-Men (Spoilers, so many Spoilers)

Post by Best First » Tue May 27, 2014 12:52 pm

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Would have liked the altered history to have included a new and better actor for Cyclops, but whatever.
Word.

On Mystique i assumed that she gets captured (in the original timeline) and they take sufficient samples but she escapes before she get's deaded (which is entirely plausible). Then it takes them quite some time for the research to reach maturity.
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Post by Computron » Tue May 27, 2014 4:27 pm

Mirroring Brend's point, the only fault I have is that the "original" timeline progressing into Days of Future Past does't seem to flow as Mystique is kinda central to both DFP's timeline and the X1-3 films. Kinda hard to reconcile them. (On the other hand X3 did have a sentinel in it at the beginning so maybe it works? I dunno.)

But that fault is so small and insignificant that it really isn't a fault so much as nerd catnip to chew on later.

The important thing is that this movie oozed perfection in so many ways, from McAvoy being absurdly brilliant to Stewart and McKellen chewing the absolute crap outta their scenery. The sentinels were intimidating and scary and were definitely the credible threat they deserved to be.

Love love loved that at the end this was an X-Men story which meant morality play with action instead of The Expendables followed by a quick "Murder is bad" soliloquy. I almost felt that after the movie was over that the proper response was to write a dissertation on philosophy, human nature and free will instead of a pithy facebook comment.

Maybe it was just me but did Fassbender seem a little bored? Can't place my finger on it but he seemed kinda ho-hum about the whole thing which was odd, because his scenes on the plane were great, but after the chess scene he seemed to kinda zone out.

Quicksilver, that classical music and that scene. That was art.

One final thing, Anna Paquin had zero lines and yet her name got listed first before Ellen Page on the credits? Seriously? It's not even in alphabetical order! Ah well.

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Re: X-Men (Spoilers, so many Spoilers)

Post by Bumblebot » Wed May 28, 2014 1:48 pm

Computron wrote:Maybe it was just me but did Fassbender seem a little bored? Can't place my finger on it but he seemed kinda ho-hum about the whole thing which was odd, because his scenes on the plane were great, but after the chess scene he seemed to kinda zone out.
It could be he was a little distracted about wearing a giant papiér maché head for his entire next film.

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Post by Yaya » Thu May 29, 2014 11:45 pm

Definitely one of the greatest superhero movies of all time.

I agree with BeeFster. The Quicksilver scene was fantastic. And hilarious. Great writing there. And again agree with BF, why did they send Quicksilver home? Could have used him big time.
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Post by Best First » Fri May 30, 2014 7:20 am

Bumblebot wrote:
Computron wrote:Maybe it was just me but did Fassbender seem a little bored? Can't place my finger on it but he seemed kinda ho-hum about the whole thing which was odd, because his scenes on the plane were great, but after the chess scene he seemed to kinda zone out.
It could be he was a little distracted about wearing a giant papiér maché head for his entire next film.
Surely wearing a small papier mache helmet was a good warm up?
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Post by Brendocon » Fri May 30, 2014 7:42 am

Really what they should have done was not broken Magneto out and just used Peter to stop Mystique in the first place.

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Post by Best First » Fri May 30, 2014 8:13 am

Yes the whole "you will need both of us" arguement was a bit... ill explored.

Altho depending on how cynical future Prof and Mags are you could argue they wanted Raven to see Eric at his worst and steer her down a different path - stopping her physicaly and changing her mind (and thus stopping her from trying again) being two different things.
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Re: X-Men (Spoilers, so many Spoilers)

Post by Computron » Fri May 30, 2014 1:27 pm

Best First wrote:Yes the whole "you will need both of us" arguement was a bit... ill explored.

Altho depending on how cynical future Prof and Mags are you could argue they wanted Raven to see Eric at his worst and steer her down a different path - stopping her physicaly and changing her mind (and thus stopping her from trying again) being two different things.
That actually makes a lot of sense to be honest. If Quicksilver had just stopped Mystique, she would have tried again at some other point.

Seeing that Magneto was, in his own way, just as bad as Trask, finally allowed her to break past her need for vengeance.

Future Magneto knew exactly how he had manipulated Mystique all those years ago and probably figured that she needed to see the true Eric Lehnsher to really and truly change her mind. (The two main plot points being Magneto attempting to kill Mystique and using the Sentinels against the President and his staff.)

Still it would have been nice to see future Magneto elaborate on that a bit more than just simply saying "Hey break me out of jail would ya?"

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:06 pm

Just watched this.
It was great, and I loved how the original crew got a happy ending in a way.
Plus famke.

Oh and apocalypse, I do like galvatron, I mean apocalypse level villans...
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Post by bumblemusprime » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:28 pm

Loved this. Brilliant. I think there were plenty of plotholes and "wait, what, why?" moments but there was a more than sufficient amount of "holy **** that was awesome!" moments to balance them out.

Awesome:

- Dat super-speed scene.
- Fassbender was really nailing it, I thought, given the way he seemed so honest and forthright and then SURPRISE I KILL YOU.
- Dose Sentinels! Dang, the ones in the future were creepy as hell.
- Lawrence was brill. And fit! Between her and Jackman, a couple of personal trainers took home a small fortune.
- McAvoy was on point as well. Very tortured.
- Dinklage was reliably brilliant.

Wait, What?

- I would have liked a bit more from McKellen. He only got a few words but he's so famous for doing a lot with few words.
- Several plot points were lost on me. Professor X was broken because... Raven left? The school had to shut down because of the draft?
- Dropping a stadium around the White House is probably going to start a mutant war. The only difference is that they might go easy on Mystique when they hunt her down. I guess that's to be addressed in Apocalypse, innit?
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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:21 pm

Quick silver was wearing headphones plugged into what exactly?
The Sony Walkman is a few years out no?

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Post by Professor Smooth » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:48 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Quick silver was wearing headphones plugged into what exactly?
The Sony Walkman is a few years out no?

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What caught me up was how he was listening to music at all. At his speed, he'd have listened to about one note.
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Post by bumblemusprime » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:13 am

Probably trying to deal with the change in air pressure on his eardrums.
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Post by Ozz » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:13 am

Re: timeline - I think like BF says, Mystique at some point escaped to be with Magneto's Brotherhood and Sentinels project took time to take off. At the beginning of first film the Mutant Registration Act is still not passed and maybe something like what happened in X3 made them finally go with Sentinels. And it's not like six previous films fit seamlessly with each other.

Re: Paquin - I believe initially she was supposed to have a much bigger role, maybe the credits are what's left of it?

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Post by bumblemusprime » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:43 pm

Yeah, she was supposed to come help Kitty. http://screenrant.com/x-men-days-future ... explained/
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Post by Best First » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:33 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Quick silver was wearing headphones plugged into what exactly?
The Sony Walkman is a few years out no?

Splitting hairs, this film was amazing
What caught me up was how he was listening to music at all. At his speed, he'd have listened to about one note.
Duh - he had it on fast forward.
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Post by Professor Smooth » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:35 am

Best First wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Quick silver was wearing headphones plugged into what exactly?
The Sony Walkman is a few years out no?

Splitting hairs, this film was amazing
What caught me up was how he was listening to music at all. At his speed, he'd have listened to about one note.
Duh - he had it on fast forward.
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