Bumblemus watches Doctor Who now. Doctor Who is cool.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:13 pm

Yep, as said earlier - if an episode of Who is ****, not to worry - there'll be a completely different story along next week.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:24 pm

Next companion's quite the cutie:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17456505

*spoliers, obv*

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:55 pm

Like spider reading US Marvel, so too does my journey continue...and that companion is almost too good looking. Less girl next door, and more modelish.

Midnight: Good fun! Ooooh, I hated everyone on that ship. I'll give 'em a little slack for being under the influence of an alien that caused them to be hateful, but then it's all over and everyone ISN'T rushing to kiss the Doctor's ass? "I knew it was her all along!"? Pish-posh! Also, once more the non-white folks aboard the tourbus are paragons of virtue. I don't know why I keep on bringing this up, but coming from American television, it really is happily shocking how often non-white people are either good guys, love interests, or just there sans stereotypes on Who. Mickey, these two girls on the bus, Donna's husband, uh, that's all I've got now, but that's certainly my sense.

Turn Left: I'm a sucker for alternate histories AND dystopias, so I'm all in on this one. Plus a little poking at all the trouble the Earth seems to be constantly in. Boy, Momma Noble sure does suck, doesn't she? "Ugh, look at all these dirty ethnics in here. I have to share with THEM?" And then of course, it's only a hop, skip, and a jump to the ol' Nazi allegory, with the camps and the what not. I will say this, though: I started to come around on Donna here. We can all empathize with feeling useless at some point, like we're not special, right? Well good on her for jumping in front of a truck to save the world. lol The way I understood it, the whole ep. was a massive accident, as the time beetle assumed Donna was nobody important and didn't expect a massive parallel universe to spring up from turning right, yes?

Stolen Earth/Journey's End: Wow, that was a ride indeed. If you're not in this episode, you're soo not cool. Too funny and then too sad re: the Dalek's reaction to Harriet Jones. I was totally surprised to see the Doctor get knocked down by the Dalek ray! I had assumed, after all these times where it seems like they could have easily offed him with a quick shot, that the Doctor was somehow impervious to a single ray shot. But apparently not. Then Davros is all, "The Daleks are going on about some 'end all existence' stuff, but I'm here to show you that your friends are a-holes for being so violent! Nevermind that their planet has been forcibly transported and the universe is on the edge of extinction, how DARE Martha think nuclear weapons are acceptable at any time!" And then Cloctor and Donna run in in the most stupid fashion. I still don't know what was going on there. Why did they run in like that? Did Cloctor know they would get blasted, and the blast would get Donna all Time Lordy? Was that whole "omigosh, we need to point this gun at you before you shoot us" thing a set up? I have no clue. But now Donna is a bad ass! Good on her! Then Dalek Caan's all "Wow, I wouldn't have been all EXTERMINATE if I knew that we actually exterminated people! That's just not nice." Then the Red Dalek comes down from the bridge, and he's just as prone to explode from a BFG shot as anyone else, apparently. Then everyone goes back to their places. Now Rose has a fixed family, riches, AND a Doctor that loves her and she still seems unhappy. What a brat! Then the second I start to really get in Donna's corner, she has to get her mind wiped. That was soooo sad! She was kicking ass there for a sec! At least the Doctor and Wilifred give Donna's mom a piece of their mind. Respect, beeyatch! In the end, Donna's okay by me. The whole "I suck, then I save existence, but can't remember it and go back to sucking" touches me, what can I say?

The Next Doctor: Pretty cool. Again, let's just throw in a reasonable black lady companion for no reason! And again, there's a character who totally signs up for being evil, only to be shocked that evil is just using her. At least they usually get something to do something heroic at the end. I thought the whole way they took care of the falling Cyberking was a bit wonky, though.

Planet of the Dead: Didn't watch it. For some reason Netflix didn't have it. Apparently the Doctor knows a bit about how/when he dies, and the Ood know a bit too, according to the next episode.

The Waters of Mars: Wow, super sweet! Really cool idea for a bad guy. Don't underestimate the power of water pressure. The bad guys, the setting, the supporting characters, the timeline problems, everything was just spot on awesome IMO. And then the Doctor's decision at the end just leaves you cold. Like, "Whoa. Maybe he HAS gone too far. Maybe he DOES need to die, all talking like he's Q or some s*it. Talking like we're a bunch of unimportant people!"

The End of The End of the Things and the Time: Clearly a lot to not like. Genetic material on the lipstick? Everyone Master even though he had like 5 minutes with the machine? The Time Lords like cotton candy, once you really bite into them, they just kind of float away and have no role in the story at all? "We put the drumming into his head since time eternal to be re-born now! Oh, we're not? Ah well." On the plus sides, I'm a sucker for schmaltz, so I enjoy a painfully slow wrapping up of ends with guest stars and such. SO WHO WAS THAT WOMAN IN WHITE THAT APPEARED TO THE DOCTOR AND WILF? Donna gets cash, Martha and Mickey get hitched ya see, and for some reason the Doctor thought Jack needed help picking up some tail at the bar. The way the Doctor died was both lame and cool. It was cool that he died just helping to save a friend, and an old man at that, instead of like saving the universe or something. It was lame that he just kind of went into a plexiglass box and did his best "Spock in Star Trek II" impression.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:15 pm

And then there's an 11th Doctor! And then I've begun to listen to Dr. Who Podcasts! Radio Free Skaro is OK, if you like snippy fanboy Canadians who appear to not even get along that well. Then I found the Oodcast, and all was well because they're nice, agreeable, British, have funny episode-related sketches, an awesome a capella version of the Who theme song, and the cleverest of them all is a woman.

The 11th Hour: The actual story beats here were not all that memorable. This was more about Amy Pond's relationship with the Doctor and the new Doctor. And as such, it was good. I wasn't fully on board here. Except if by "on board," we're talking about instantly having a maaaaasive crush on Amy Pond.

The Beast Below: Now I don't know what's going on. The Companion saving the day? The Doctor acting all weird and alien and standoffish and arrogant? It's all very confusing to someone whose only familiar with the modern series, but my (now better informed) sense is that he's simply channeling other versions of the Doctor, being more like Patrick or Sylvester, whereas it seemed as thought Tennant was going for a more Baker/Davidson/Baker thing?

(That's right, I'm doing my research. And along that, I was talking about why seeing the occasional Who on TV didn't impress me that much, and I watched a few minutes from a random Netflix one the other day that had Sylvester McCoy with the question mark necktie, looking all frumpy with Ace near a lighthouse, and I was like, "Yes! I don't like this! Where's the sci-fi? Why does Doctor Who look like George Costanza? Why is he wearing that stupid tie? Seriously though, WHERE is the sci-fi, visually speaking? And so my initial thought were "Ah, that's why the show got killed. Didn't have a budget to do anything, idea looks totally played out, it's a parody of itself, that's that." But then it seems as thought some people really DO like the McCoy era, and that underneath that necktie, the Doctor was actually darker and more manipulative than he had been before or since. So what do you guys think of that particular era?)

Back to the Beast, I DID like the story. Elizabeth 10, London on a giant whale, forget or die, all neat-o as usual. This is also when I noticed another thing about these Moffat shows: the stakes are not nearly as high, and the shows are not nearly as long.

Victory of the Daleks: Yeah, odd and short. Again, great idea, but it seemed as though this was entirely an excuse to highlight New Daleks. "We're nice Daleks." "No you're not." "Oh, that's right we're not. But we're now new! Bye!" Good to see the Dalkes be cunning, at least. And you would think they could upgrade from a plunger, but apparently not.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:20 pm

Shanti418 wrote:Where's the sci-fi?

Who isn't just about sci-fi. It can be whatever the hell it wants to be. That's the beauty. "This is an alien, he got to this place by time-travel" is sometimes the only sci-fi element in it.

I love the Sylvester McCoy stuff. It doesn't spell stuff out has insane rewatch value.

I'd rather take any McCoy than sledgehammer mastubatory [composite word including 'f*ck'] that was Journey's End.

- the composite word also included "cluster"

This is also when I noticed another thing about these Moffat shows: the stakes are not nearly as high, and the shows are not nearly as long.

Runtime's still the same as the RTD seasons. Well, ignoring the specials. Season 4 finale was longer, but the season 5 first ep was too, so it all evens out.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:06 pm

Shanti418 wrote:Ooooh, I hated everyone on that ship.

Great episode, and it was nice the way it showed that the Doctor can't rely on his typical charm and brains to win over every situation (he did everything the way he usually does in this episode and quickly became Public Enemy number 1.)

Shanti418 wrote:
I was totally surprised to see the Doctor get knocked down by the Dalek ray!

That was one heck of a cliffhanger. The ratings for the next episode went through the roof.

Shanti418 wrote:
Cloctor

Shanti418 wrote: In the end, Donna's okay by me. The whole "I suck, then I save existence, but can't remember it and go back to sucking" touches me, what can I say?

Yeah, the character had a nice arc IMO.

Shanti418 wrote:
Planet of the Dead: Didn't watch it. For some reason Netflix didn't have it. Apparently the Doctor knows a bit about how/when he dies, and the Ood know a bit too, according to the next episode.

It's on Youtube. It's no classic but it looks great and has the Bionic Woman in it.

Shanti418 wrote:
The End of The End of the Things and the Time

On the plus side, Timothy freaking Dalton was in this.

Shanti418 wrote:
The Doctor acting all weird and alien and standoffish and arrogant? It's all very confusing to someone whose only familiar with the modern series, but my (now better informed) sense is that he's simply channeling other versions of the Doctor, being more like Patrick or Sylvester, whereas it seemed as thought Tennant was going for a more Baker/Davidson/Baker thing?

Smith is a lot more like the Doctors of old. Troughton seems to be his main inspiration. He's the most alien Doctor since Tom Baker I think. I prefer him to Tennant and Eccleston, who are great actors but missed some of the Doctor's whimsy I think.

Shanti418 wrote: But then it seems as thought some people really DO like the McCoy era, and that underneath that necktie, the Doctor was actually darker and more manipulative than he had been before or since. So what do you guys think of that particular era?

Well, once you get past the question mark jumper (it was the 80s after all) he put in some pretty good performances near the end of his run. They were going in the right direction.

Shanti418 wrote:

Victory of the Daleks

Not one of my favourites I admit. It just seems a bit... noisy. That said, Spitfires in space!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:04 am

Series 7 teaser:

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2012/03/dw ... easer.html

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:57 am

Apparently there will be a New York set Weeping Angels episode.

Does that mean no blinking at the Statue of Liberty?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:21 am

I hope not. The Statue can't be an Angel, as there's pictures and photos of it and everything.

Unless it gets turned into one and oh look I've turned into a fanboy.

[turned into?]

Currently about fifteen minutes into Planet of Giants. They really are all complete idiots, aren't they? I'm stunned they survived this long.

I can accept that Barbara didn't automatically assume "oh it's a giant worm" but that she thought "oh it's a giant snake" instead when it looks nothing like a snake is mental.

"It's an egg... there's another one over there, oh my god there's dozens." Yes Susan, and you would have seen them when you where looking at the first, as the great big pile were by your foot.

Sigh.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:31 am

Aw, I enjoyed Planet of Giants. The script is crap but the props (bar a certain lack of scale) are awesome. The inverse of most Who stories.

Just be grateful they cut out a quarter of it, bar the death of the cat all the deleted material consists of characters repeating things we've already been told and which they already know to one another.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:04 pm

The wife is up with Shanti. In a desperate attempt to catch up with her, I started with the Season 3 Christmas and met Donna, who comes off as quite annoying at first, but I rather liked the way our sympathies were turned toward her as the episode went on. Not sure how I feel about her coming back because....

Martha Jones, man oh man. Stone cold fox, that Martha Jones. The Doctor's really got to have something wrong to not want that.

Also, the two eps I've seen with her thus far are class. The hospital-to-the-moon was rather entertaining. But the Shakespeare ep was just made from scratch right for me. Since I spent about 80% of our budget in Lahndan, innit, on seeing plays, and since I've been teaching MacBeth and Othello over and over for the last few years, it wasn't just a matter of getting the jokes, but being stupid for the jokes. "Dark lady..." Favorite moment of all was when the Doctor quotes Dylan Thomas and follows with "You can't use that, it's someone else's."

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:49 pm

Excellent! I think I stopped posting where I was at, but, yea, I watched Dr. Who and stuff. All the 11th Doctor up to the season finale. I haven't thought about it much for awhile.

I don't know which Doctor I prefer, to be honest. The 11th Doctor stories seem to be tighter, leaner, but less opens to ludicrous fits of fancy, with apologies to intergalactic whale cities. They also have more heart. Smith's doctor is a bit more alien and standoffish, which is cool in the grand scheme of Doctor characterization, but I might still prefer Tennant's breezy portrayal. Amy's Choice, the Lodger, season five finale, Doctor's Wife (natch), the girl who waited, and the overall concept of season 6 (keep your eyes off the plot holes) were the standouts.

And don't worry bumble, when Donna comes along again, she's more more likeable, sympathetic even.

The problem I now confront is convincing my wife to watch Who-in-progress. I'm like, "Alright, now we're all caught up! We can watch the episodes when they come out and discuss them in real time with the cultural zeitgeist via this here Internet." She's like "Wait, I have to wait a week in between episodes and then I'm going to get jerked around by a season finale cliffhanger? Just tell me when it's on DVD or Netflix and I'll watch it over a weekend." So I'm not sure if I'll be watching the new ones yet. Although she said the same thing after we watched four seasons of Breaking Bad, and we're now watching week to week.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:51 pm

At the wife's urging, I skipped ahead to watch Amy's Choice.

The Eleventh Doctor is my favorite incarnation of modern Who thus far, if only because he really was off-kilter, and by the end of the episode, genuinely dangerous. (He's got the little Nazi scientist from Captain America IN HIS HEAD! How can you not love that?)

He also reminds me greatly of a high-functioning kid with autism who I used to work with. Great kid. Insanely smart. Had a poster describing Fermat's Last Theorem on the wall of his room. Made polynomials out of his video game scores. Couldn't be left alone, or he would play videogames until he pooped himself and starved to death. All the mannerisms (and the height) of the Tenth Doctor.

Also loved the Amy and Rory dynamic. "Amy's Choice" seemed like an attempt by the writers to man up on the Companion dynamic in a way they never did with Rose, Mickey, and 10th Doctor.

Looking forward to these episodes. So much so that I'm almost distracted from my mad lust for Martha.

The wife informs me that the "Daleks In Manhattan" two-parter is eminently skippable. After watching a bit of it, I'd have to agree; I've had enough Daleks for a lifetime.

Also, one can watch Tennant play Hamlet opposite Patrick Stewart on PBS free: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/episodes/ ... -film/980/

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:50 pm

I saw Tennant play Hamlet at the RSC in Stratford. Pretty electric.

(As an aside, their current production of Twelfth Night is hilarious - go see).

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:06 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:I saw Tennant play Hamlet at the RSC in Stratford. Pretty electric.

(As an aside, their current production of Twelfth Night is hilarious - go see).

I'll be at your place tonight. Prepare the repast.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:09 pm

Have you been watching The Hollow Crown Spence? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s90hz The best TV Shakespeare, like, ever.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:13 pm

Holy crap. A good modern adaptation of Henry 4, with JEREMY ****** IRONS, Loki, and a vaguely familiar handsome actor--****, that's LOKI! Excuse me while I drop everything for ten hours.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:25 am

Slowly catching up. Just finished with Turn Left; was going to do Midnight on Halloween night but had to get to bed because that's how I roll. So I've still got Midnight to go through until I can do Journey's End/End of Things/End of End. The wife is going to be gone on Saturday, so it might be time for egg nog and Who marathon.

I don't get the hate for Martha. This is like the hate for Mary Jane Watson. A great, competent, interesting and nuanced character gets badly written and suddenly she's a bad character? Watch the good episodes, in which her

I mean, how dumb were the people writing Doctor's Daughter? This is the same Martha who traveled the entire WORLD surviving the Master's depredations and spreading the Gospel of the Doctor.

I am so ready to move on past Tennant. That weird stinkeye and gravelly rumble about how he's going to kick some @$$ are getting annoying. I keep peeking at the wife's Eleventh Doctor episodes.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:07 am

bumblemusprime wrote:I don't get the hate for Martha. This is like the hate for Mary Jane Watson. A great, competent

WE ARE HIDING IN THE PAST I MUSTN'T TELL ANYBODY I'M FROM THE FUTURE OH MY GOD DON'T WORRY EVERYBODY THE UNIVERSE IS AMAZING AND IT'S ALL BETTER IN THE FUTURE.

She had two jobs. 1) Look after the watch. 2) Don't let anybody suspect you're not from now. Yeah. Competent.

OH MY GOD THIS GUY'S GOT A POCKET WATCH HIDING HIS REAL IDENTITY JUST LIKE THE DOCTOR HAD THAT TIME. OBVIOUSLY HE'S GOT A REASON FOR HIDING HIMSELF FROM HIMSELF, SO I'D BEST JUST DRAW HIS ATTENTION TO IT IMMEDIATELY RATHER THAN STOPPING TO THINK IF THERE'S A REASON FOR IT ALL. WHAT'S THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN?

She's a moron. She deserved to traipse the world "spreading the gospel of the Doctor" - it was her sodding fault. If she had the sense to hesitate for a moment, they wouldn't have been in that mess in the first place.

Though the time she managed to drown an alien who breathes liquid through a sealed apparatus was hilarious.

I understand your point about bad writing vs bad characters. But we're not talking about somebody who was written as strong and intelligent for decades before a new writer came along and missed the point. She was in it for a series and a half. All exec produced by the same guy.

Ultimately a character IS how they're written. And if 90% of the time they're written as an idiot, it doesn't matter how many times the lead character tells the audience she's great... ultimately, she's an idiot. And the times she's vaguely competent become the continuity errors.

See also Donna. Having the Doctor go "you're brilliant you" at every opportunity is a lazy substitute for actually having the character be brilliant.

On an up note. Midnight is my favourite RTD episode. Actually great. So you'll probably hate it.

I am so ready to move on past Tennant. That weird stinkeye and gravelly rumble about how he's going to kick some @$$ are getting annoying

Oh, I'm so... so sorry.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:25 pm

You're all throwing down your tea and shouting "Who series 4 is wasted in the Americans! Why did we even let them have it?"

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:27 pm

You certainly shouldn't be allowed your own country.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:51 pm

I think the three actions (I think all in back to back stories with her in) that ruin Martha are

Forgetting she's a trainee doctor and just watching the Master die.

Forgetting she's a doctor and just watching her own clone die.

Forgetting she's a doctor and just watching Jenny Who [sigh] die.

Her medical training probably wouldn't have helped in any of those cases. But what sort of Doctor just stands there gawping whilst someone dies in front of them without even checking for a pulse?

The Master one is especially bad, not just because her not even trying to help him seems a massive [composite word including 'f*ck'] off to the Doctor when he clearly is very upset at him dying... But it could have been used as a great moment for her if she'd gone all Nolan Batman with "I won't kill you, but I won't save you either".

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:07 pm

Which then would have let you criticise it for ripping off Batman Begins. So it would have been win/win.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:13 pm

Brendocon wrote:Which then would have let you criticise it for ripping off Batman Begins. So it would have been win/win.

I'll take Batman over the Harry Potter Elf Old Doctor Crap that's already in the story.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:12 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:I think the three actions (I think all in back to back stories with her in) that ruin Martha are

Forgetting she's a trainee doctor and just watching the Master die.

Forgetting she's a doctor and just watching her own clone die.

Forgetting she's a doctor and just watching Jenny Who [sigh] die.

Her medical training probably wouldn't have helped in any of those cases. But what sort of Doctor just stands there gawping whilst someone dies in front of them without even checking for a pulse?

The Master one is especially bad, not just because her not even trying to help him seems a massive **** off to the Doctor when he clearly is very upset at him dying... But it could have been used as a great moment for her if she'd gone all Nolan Batman with "I won't kill you, but I won't save you either".

But to turn back to bumble's original argument, those things were necessary to the stories: we don't get mad at Geordi La Forge because he can calibrate the engines to make aged cheddar one week and then it takes 3/4 of the episode to get the power back on the next.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:16 pm

I still contest it's the writers. You're all quoting the last half of Martha's tenure; I'd argue that she was written well and was far more competent and handy than Rose in the first half of the season. Then the writers realized, "We need her to be less useful and act more like Rose, what with the running around and getting in trouble. Oh, and let's make her lovelorn for the Doctor."

Oh, and Midnight was brilliant. Interesting way the Doctor drew attention to himself by declaring himself clever.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:17 pm

So, you're saying that we should forgive the character being written as a complete moron; because acting [out of character] was necessary for the story to unfold?

Utter bollocks. If the story you're writing hinges on a character behaving in a way that said character wouldn't behave in, then you need to write a different story.

They could have just not made Martha a doctor. But they did. So they have to work around that in the narrative. Instead they choose to ignore it and make everybody look ridiculous.

[That was obviously aimed at Shanti's post]

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:27 pm

Brendocon wrote:If the story you're writing hinges on a character behaving in a way that said character wouldn't behave in, then you need to write a different story.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. But companions doing stupid things and getting in trouble = 7/8 of all Who storylines, ever.

Would it matter much if Rose or Donna handed the watch to the Master? No. I contest that we wouldn't be harping on them. The trope of the companions doing stupid things is a crutch for the writers. When they gave him Martha, a smart, educated, proactive woman who immediately got to work saving the day in the hospital-on-the-moon one, they wrote themselves into an immediate problem: she couldn't maintain the credibility she started out with and have the "what does this button do?" syndrome that went along with the usual companions.

Also, was not a fan of how her tension with the Doctor turned into a lovelorn wistful crush. Thought that should have been dealt with mid-season.

This might be the difference between watching the show as a writer and thereby blaming the writers when things go wrong instead of characters who start with potential. But I stand by it. The Martha we met in the hospital on the moon was a proactive, strong character who was undercut by the Who companion tropes.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:42 pm

If she did start out strong, it's been completely overwritten in my mind by all the subsequent inept.

Write a character as useless 90% of the time, and the time she wasn't becomes the aberration. Maybe we met her on a day when she was bluffing.

I'm trying to think of a suitable analogy with a character whose personality suffered a complete about face between pilot and series, but my mind's a complete blank on it. There's one there, but I'm just stuck on the format shift in Blackadder after the first series, which falls down on the fact that they're different characters.

What I'm basically saying is: Martha was written as stupid on such a massive scale on so many occasions that... regrettably, it boils down to Martha being stupid. It is definitely caused by some shocking writing, but the character is ultimately the product of said writing.

bumblemusprime · Post by **bumblemusprime** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:57 am

Caught up all the way past Amy's Choice. This season is always a notch above the previous. Better effects, better story, more unusual and quirky Doctor, Amy is freaking hot and her relationship dynamics more interesting than previous comps.

Vincent and the Doctor... serious tears.

When you get all maudlin about Agatha Christie, Dr. Who, it seems a bit silly.

When it's Van Gogh, and he sees his work in a museum, serious wish-fulfillment tears.