I wear a stetson now. Stetsons are cool.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 22, 2011 6:19 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:I'm wondering if it'll turn out none of the workers were ever real...

I'd been thinking the exact same thing from a minute or so after they revived, as well.

Although, wouldn't the 'real' ones know they weren't real? Just like the 'gangers do? Or have they just been impersonating for so long they've deluded themselves completely?

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:16 am

It didn't help that I'd watched "Moon" the day before, so really that was the first thought in my head...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:21 am

Yeah, Moon, similarities there. Brilliant movie.

I watched The Rebel Flesh with a tremendous hangover but I think it was good. Nice use of Dusty.

I take it the future Doc from Impossible Astronaut won't be a ganger?

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:44 pm

If this was RTD I'd expect there'd be some deus ex machina completely unrelated to any of the series' plot so far in the final episode that'd provide a possible way out of his death. With the Moff, not sure. I suspect it'll be RELATED to this plot, but the ganger doctor won't just take his place.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon May 23, 2011 3:09 pm

It's very possibly all about to go a bit Farscape, isn't it?

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:44 pm

Odds on there being a moment next week where the GangbangDoc could well replace the real one?

There's also some strong similarities to last years Sillurian story (well, every Sillurian story really as they're the only Who monster with more names than plots), with all the "No, they're just as important as you are lets all be friends!" doomed to fail stuff. Only done well rather than ****.

Sunyavadin · Post by **Sunyavadin** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:50 pm

The future Doctor started to regenerate when he was killed though. The Ganger one probably won't be able to do that. He may have all the Doctor's memories, and be a physical facsimile of him, but genetically the flesh is probably closer to Human than Gallifreyan.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:23 am

THE ALMOST PEOPLE

A great little two parter, which managed to make both sides pretty much equally good and bad. Who's going to be the first person online to work out which story the Tom soundbite came from? Assuming they didn't actually get him in especially to do it. Or that it wasn't Jon Culshaw. And I guess that was a Cybermat in those set photos a few months ago considering the completely gratuitous mention of them here.

And from the cliffhanger I take it Amy was pregnant back in part 1, and got swapped (by the Silence?) at some point before she told him she wasn't after all? The Doctor having been wise to it for a while at least makes him seem less of a crazy stalker man constantly secretly scanning his companions ovaries...

Oh, and they imply GangerDoc could survive, so it still might be him getting shot.

Post by **Best First** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:28 am

my only issue was the 32 hours they spent having chat about being noble and holding the door shut when they could have all just got in the TARDIS and buggered off

LOVED the shoeswapping. Also loved that i suspected it at first then kind of discredited it in my own mind.

The only other thing i thought was off was the termination of the Amy Ganger (i know it was real Amy's conciousness inside so he didn't kill anyone) - surely she would have been a useful link to the real Amy at the very least?

Is The Flesh something new or a reference to something old?

This series is up there so far, either way.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:59 am

That's a good point about Ganger (as opposed to Ginger) Amy's death, it did seem somewhat at odds with the Doctor's message of the week. Though I suppose it might have been that without the being copied repeatedly for years and a Solar Tsunami (unfortunately topical choice of name there...) factor they don't inprint enough to count as sentient in their own right?

Apparently Tom's voice was from Robots of Death. Sadly this was not down to someone proving their the ultimate geek but confidential saying so afterwards. Boooo.

The nice thing about the episode as a whole is that it was so much better than Fear Her (which, to be fair I actually don't mind so much until the bloody Olympic stuff kicks in and ruins it. Is there any moment of new Who more rubbish looking than Tennant gurning like Sylvester McCoy on acid whilst standing in the middle of an empty warehouse pretending he's just lit the Olympic flame?). Thanks to Life On Mars Graham's the strongest candidate to take on the Exec Producers job after Moffett so it's nice to see him get a decent Who script to his name to back up his successful running of a hugely popular BBC fantasy show.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:51 am

inflatable dalek wrote:That's a good point about Ganger (as opposed to Ginger) Amy's death, it did seem somewhat at odds with the Doctor's message of the week. Though I suppose it might have been that without the being copied repeatedly for years and a Solar Tsunami (unfortunately topical choice of name there...) factor they don't inprint enough to count as sentient in their own right?

Well all he did was destroy her avatar which appears to have been his plan all along.

inflatable dalek wrote:Thanks to Life On Mars Graham's the strongest candidate to take on the Exec Producers job after Moffett so it's nice to see him get a decent Who script to his name to back up his successful running of a hugely popular BBC fantasy show.

I've always thought this, despite Fear Her. Though it would be nice to see him try something a little less traditional next time. That said, I had my doubts about Gatiss, until Sherlock. His Doctor Who story later on this season looks like it'll finally be fourth time lucky.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:49 pm

Forget the avatar being sentient or a useful source of intelligence to get to Amy (like she's going to be much help in labour), I think it's nice that he melted it before she had time to twig that she'd told the real Doctor about his future death.

Post by **Best First** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:12 pm

Seeing the words Avatar in this topic is making me think i want a Who/Aliens cross over...

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:14 pm

Brendocon wrote:Forget the avatar being sentient or a useful source of intelligence to get to Amy (like she's going to be much help in labour), I think it's nice that he melted it before she had time to twig that she'd told the real Doctor about his future death.

Did I miss the bit where they had chance to swap shoes without anyone noticing? It's odd that anyone would leave the two Doctor's alone with the humans are regarding the Gangers as evil at this point and surely anyone who has ever seen any TV at all will know that the evil twin will swap outfits with and pretend to be the good one at the first opportunity? Did Trek do all those Lore episodes in vain?

Seeing the words Avatar in this topic is making me think i want a Who/Aliens cross over...

"I shave all my hair off now. Shaving off all my hair is cool. Now, Ripley, I hope you've learnt that the Queen was just a mum trying to protect her children and the Aliens are thinking sentient being just like you with as much right to live so you don't need all these soldier boys to kill everything dead do you? And don't be so hard on androids, you made them to be like you. Though I will now have to knock off Amy's head as it turns out she was a Goddamn robot all along".

With the multi-Doctor missquoting we get the continuation of the William Hartnell agenda from last year as well. Surely it's got to turn out he's behind it all?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:05 pm

spiderfrommars wrote: I've always thought this, despite Fear Her. Though it would be nice to see him try something a little less traditional next time. That said, I had my doubts about Gatiss, until Sherlock. His Doctor Who story later on this season looks like it'll finally be fourth time lucky.

Actually, sod that, they should give Toby Whithouse the gig.

inflatable dalek wrote: Did I miss the bit where they had chance to swap shoes without anyone noticing?

Perhaps when they were tinkering around behind that console thing?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:36 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:
Brendocon wrote:Forget the avatar being sentient or a useful source of intelligence to get to Amy (like she's going to be much help in labour), I think it's nice that he melted it before she had time to twig that she'd told the real Doctor about his future death.
Did I miss the bit where they had chance to swap shoes without anyone noticing?

Best guess would be they swapped shoes right at the start, under the guise of "woops! oof!" before they emerged from the shadows and acted all smug with each other.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:08 pm

In some pleasing, if surprising news, the two missing episodes of The Reign of Terror are being animated for the DVD release.

That's pretty cool considering the reasons talked about upthread always made this seem unlikely. I'd say that, unless things really go tits up, that pretty much guarantees Tenth Planet and The Ice Warriors will be done as well (and who knows, Moonbase and Crusades? Anything with more than two episodes missing is likely still a bit much though).

It'll be interesting to see how they cope with the fact that the soundtrack for at least one of the episodes is apparently much of worse quality than many of the others.

Big Finish are co-producing the animation, and a test still can be seen here:
http://www.bigfinish.com/news/The-Reign ... g-Episodes

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:47 pm

It's brilliant news. Problem is, they give an inch, I'll take a mile. The dream has got to be that one day all missing episodes get animated. The Troughton Dalek episodes - if only! Who knows, maybe one day the process won't be so pricey.

What's great is that I've never seen/heard The Reign of Terror, so it's a real treat.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:00 pm

I did have the video but only saw it once as it was almost instantly overtaken by DVD. It was throwaway, but fun. Probably not helped by the two missing episodes getting about thirty seconds explanation each.

People have found this on the site of the company Big Finish are working with to do the animation, and are assuming it's some sort of Who spin off as well (considering the BF connection probably adaptations or even just animation added to the pre-exsisitng audio of Dalek Empire). Though the Red Alert sign looks more Star Trek to me:
http://www.theta-sigma.com/topsecret.php

Speaking of Big Finish, I've spent the last week or so relistening to the first three seasons of their Gallifrey series (basically Rommana and Leela: The Odd Couple) and found far to much joy in Colin Baker reprising Maxil for all of three lines.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:45 pm

Quite disappointed really. I was hoping that they'd deal with the missing episodes by sticking the soundtrack on, along with 25 minutes of Karen Gillan holding up strategically/suggestively placed placards explaining the plot.

Oh well.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:42 pm

Now, if I were going to slap something starting with a P in Karren's hands to hold suggestively a placard wouldn't be my first choice.

A Plasmaton from Time Flight obviously.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:39 pm

So, predictable and underwhelming twist that we all saw coming but hoped wouldn't aside...

Why was her name on The Doctor's cot?

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:48 pm

Brendocon wrote: Why was her name on The Doctor's cot?

He wrote it on there before bringing it out of the Tardis?

Or River is the Doctor's mother as well. Which was almost what I thought they were going for when she was pointing at the crib...

I was so sure the soldier woman was going to regenerate into River when she died. And how annoying is it the people banging on about a River/Pond connection since The Eleventh Hour, and that River is Amy's baby since the start of the year, were right all along? At least the people saying Jenny Cockney was going to turn out to be Jenny Who were wrong.

Generally a very good episode, even if the gathering of the clans thing was recycled a bit from the end of last year (only a "good" army this time. Though oddly involving three of the same species...).

The Sillurians were handled much better this time round just by them not being complete arses (and no attempt at a politically correct name either), and I guess that PDA where Jack the Ripper turns out to be the Valeyard just got retconned. The Sontarans and the Judoon are always fun, but I could have done without Danny Boy. And didn't the Doctor destroy all that technology anyway?

Loved how the Cybermen (proper Cybermen!) were used as whipping boys as well.

Were those the Tardis corridors from a couple of weeks ago repainted?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:44 pm

The twist was fairly obvious from the beginning, what with River saying it was her birthday.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:23 pm

I love the whole symmetry of the Melody Pond/River Song thing.

But I hope Moffat has got this all worked out. In The Big Bang River just refers to Rory as "the Roman Centurion" and makes a rather smutty remark about Autons with swappable heads. Basically it looked like she was meeting him for the first time.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:32 am

Brendocon wrote:The twist was fairly obvious from the beginning, what with River saying it was her birthday.

I just assumed that was a red herring, like the various hints the Doctor might be the father, or the female soldier might be River (when she met the Doctor he told her to run a lot... and the working title for the second part of River's first showing was River's Run. And yes, I was reading too much into it but it was still there!).

In terms of this cliffhanger being a "Game Changer" as was promised... That's actually a bit difficult to say. If you view Who as a program that's been running for a couple of years- and a lot of viewers will likely treat the start of Smith as a whole new show, then yes, it's an epic revelation about one of the four main characters that completely changes her relationship to the other regulars. In terms of Who's entire history, it's one out of dozens of regulars turns out to have a slightly closer relationship to one of the other dozens we've had over the years, and in the long term it likely won't have any impact. Other than the vague promise from The Moff that this season will directly address and deal with/reset the fact the Doctor has become a famous celebrity (which we started to see the beginnings of last night).

Though did anyone see all of Confidential? I saw two bits, in the second Kingston was talking about the Gallifreyan writing on the cot being very important ("How many other babies have been in there?"), in the first this was somewhat countered by her talking about how she lied a lot in interviews to keep plot twists secret...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:38 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00jb05r

Cybermen! More sodding Weeping Angels! James Corden! And so on.

Estimated arrival time: 27th August.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:23 pm

It'd be nice to have the Cybermen do more than just hang about as part of a monster mash this time.

Post by **snarl** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:09 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... eries.html

My step mother buys this paper. So she's clearly mental.

We get on well.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:52 pm

this is one of those controvosies that isn't actually real isn't it?

i like them - they are good for humanity - bravo to the people who manufacture rage on our behalf - you definitelty should not hang yourselves immediately.