Revolucion!

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:14 pm

Tunisia. Egypt. Bahrain. Libya.

Damn, I love to see tyrants toppled. Just love it.

Hope Saudi is next. Those Saudi prince bastards are now trying to appease the public by actually paying them off. Pathetic.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:26 pm

I'd love to see Iran get turned over, they really are the big shits in the world.

In some cases u might lose a dictator but gain a radical Muslim cult, which is just as **** if not worse!

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:07 pm

At least they won't steal the wealth of their people. Hosni Mubarak was worth 70 billion. 70 billion! Focker.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:58 pm

I honestly don't understand why we aren't helping the Libyans. They're standing up against an awful tyrant, very bravely, facing machine guns and air strikes and we're sat twiddling our thumbs making vague noises about 'we hope everything works out'.

We jumped at the chance to oust Saddam! Surely it's not that hard to support the Libyan people with a few kind words and to take some political/economic steps to helping topple the regime?

Oh wait, we like Ghaddaffi now, don't we? Ever since he agreed to sell us all that oil... funny that.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:14 pm

yeah - it's ****ing bulls*t.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:19 pm

Only 1.2% of our oil comes from lybia... Also I wonder where lockabie bomber has gone in all this?

Hot Shot · Post by **Hot Shot** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:42 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I'd love to see Iran get turned over, they really are the big shits in the world.

Agreed. Maybe it'll spread to North Korea if we're lucky.

I kinda hope America gets a bit of the same spirit and fights the corporate corruption. I don't know about you Brits, but it's getting really, REALLY ******* bad over here.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:56 am

Hot Shot wrote: I kinda hope America gets a bit of the same spirit and fights the corporate corruption. I don't know about you Brits, but it's getting really, REALLY ******* bad over here.

Agreed. When 95% of the nations wealth is in 3% of hands, something is rotten in the state of....the States.

This year I have seen even more change for the worse. Truly, power is now in the hands of this small elite like it never has been before. So many obvious financial decisions need to be made that would have a serious impact on course correcting this economy, and instead, the opposite happens that protects their greedy interests. These elite don't care what happens to America. They know they can pick up and move to their castle in, say, Dubai or Monaco. Stupid America thinks "well, they live here, so they won't let it get too bad, so they'll have to look out for the common man at some point". Foolish thinking.

America is not a democracy anymore, folks. Simple as that.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:59 am

what is more worrying is the amount of people who buy it - as stated laws are passed to the positive advantage of those who already have more than anyone can ever need, yet there are a whole bunch of people who defend this who don't actually benefit from it.

The problem isn't capitalism per say, it's capitalism/vested interest without safeguards. The problem is this has to be the role of the state in my eyes and the state is either in the pocket of these guys or fearful that if they impose regulation the cash will just go elsewhere (which is true to a degree) or is itself ideologically opposed to centrist government.

So you get to the point where unless you have global regulation the divide in wealth will continue to grow.

i don't actually think, for the large part, its a big conspiracy - it's more that people operate in spheres of localised self interest that are often more motivated by the threat of an unknown other scenario or self interest (but not neccessarily vindictive self interest, hey, if i can get a better wage and provide better for my family and its all legal, hey if i can get cheaper fruit, hey if i sell this many blah blahs then i get a bonus etc etc) but when all these spheres are added up basically the majority get dumped on through a combination of corporate growth drivers and unawareness.

Which is not to say that there are not some scum****s who know exactly what they are doing.

Obviously that is all massively simplistic - basically what i am saying is me for global dictator.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:19 pm

I buy that for a dollar.

Please feel free to implement this idea:

"The pedo-pit"

Remember the BFG, where at the end they put all the giants into a big pit in London Zoo?

Make this pit, only put all convicted Paedophiles in there. Bosh. People can also pay to rock up and throw stones etc at them.

ALSO:

[composite word including 'f*ck'] asbos - if some little **** is terrorising the local estate, chuck him to the nonces for a month.

THAT'LL LEARN 'IM.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:55 pm

As if on cue for this discussion, a chart on wealth distribution today on Yahoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... h-poor-gap

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:44 am

So Ghaddafi is actually bombing civilians with fighter planes.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:24 pm

Most people would use bombers.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:31 pm

Blebis, I'm happy to say I find myself ill-equipped in my knowledge of weaponryand the ways of war and killing.

wideload · Post by **wideload** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:01 pm

Karl wrote:I honestly don't understand why we aren't helping the Libyans. They're standing up against an awful tyrant, very bravely, facing machine guns and air strikes and we're sat twiddling our thumbs making vague noises about 'we hope everything works out'.

We jumped at the chance to oust Saddam! Surely it's not that hard to support the Libyan people with a few kind words and to take some political/economic steps to helping topple the regime?

Oh wait, we like Ghaddaffi now, don't we? Ever since he agreed to sell us all that oil... funny that.

It's really more complicated than that.

Right now "proper channels" are being used. The problem with proper channels, IE the UN, is that it takes forever for something to get done if at all.

Right now the devastatation in Lybia is fairly tragic, in that you have dead numbering in the 100s. However, compare that to recent Western interventions: Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia, and even smaller scale conflicts with indirect intervention like Ossetia in 2008.

Secondly, who is to say that the majority of Libyans want a Western army in their nation. Many may support the idea of a them taking out Gaddafi himself, but when the reality of an occupying force sets in, they may not be so pleased.

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:03 pm

I agree: my point was that IMO we are not bring vocal enough in our support and not taking any political/economic measures ourselves such as I understand France are doing

I didn't mention sending the army other than drawing a comparison to our cavalier actions in Iraq.

wideload · Post by **wideload** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:03 pm

Karl wrote:I agree: my point was that IMO we are not bring vocal enough in our support and not taking any political/economic measures ourselves such as I understand France are doing

I didn't mention sending the army other than drawing a comparison to our cavalier actions in Iraq.

Fair enough.

I think even in terms of vocal responses, the West has to be careful. There is a lot of anti-Western sentiment in the region.

To be fair to Obama, the US has already imposed sanctions, lobbied the UN agains Gaddafi, and withdrawn their embassy (withdrawing an embassy is considered a relatively large move).

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:14 am

Best First wrote:what is more worrying is the amount of people who buy it - as stated laws are passed to the positive advantage of those who already have more than anyone can ever need, yet there are a whole bunch of people who defend this who don't actually benefit from it.

The problem isn't capitalism per say, it's capitalism/vested interest without safeguards. The problem is this has to be the role of the state in my eyes and the state is either in the pocket of these guys or fearful that if they impose regulation the cash will just go elsewhere (which is true to a degree) or is itself ideologically opposed to centrist government.

i don't actually think, for the large part, its a big conspiracy - it's more that people operate in spheres of localised self interest that are often more motivated by the threat of an unknown other scenario or self interest (but not neccessarily vindictive self interest, hey, if i can get a better wage and provide better for my family and its all legal, hey if i can get cheaper fruit, hey if i sell this many blah blahs then i get a bonus etc etc) but when all these spheres are added up basically the majority get dumped on through a combination of corporate growth drivers and unawareness.

That's all true, but from my vantage point, there are two major interrelated factors that you only hint at. To your second paragraph, international corporations operating in a globalized market with a culture seeped in capitalist ideology have arguably outgrown the nation-state's ability to regulate them, and to your first paragraph, THAT + corporate media.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:12 am

in brief; yeah