Anti-Gay Marriage Legislation in CA Overturned

[bumblemusprime]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/0 ... =fb&src=sp

Pretty damn excited about this. Seems a clear-cut case of the courts stepping in to protect an underrepresented minority when the popular vote would deny them their civil rights.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

which could then be overturned by the governor.

checks and balances doesnt always turn out the way people want it to.

[Obfleur]

The Governator will make the right call.

[Kaylee]

Yay!

Common sense > insanity

Albeit briefly.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

The Governator will make the popular call.

fixed

hes a politician now. Common sense doesnt apply anymore.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

http://dipdive.com/member/humanoid18/pictures/81527

[Kaylee]

"So rare it's a god damn superpower"

[Guest]

No. The Governator will make the right call.

It just might be in the political sense of the word, rather than moral/ethical/etc.


Oh, and when did popular and common defect to opposing sides?

[Kaylee]

Since something could be common but also unpopular?

[Shanti418]

I don't think he can overturn it. He can APPEAL it, but given that he didn't even choose to defend the Prop 8 in court, I don't think the train is being driven by the Governator at this point. It's a combination of Mormons, Catholics, and conservative special interest groups that will take this to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and then most likely the Supreme Court.

[Guest]

Since something could be common but also unpopular?

Sorry, I meant to ask which one had defected.

And it's popular, isn't it.

[Best First]

Seriously - where do people get the energy to get so worked up about sh*t that has no impact on them?

i can barely get out of bed in the morning.

[IronHide]

The next step for the dissenting opinion is the Supreme Court since it was a federal court judge who overturned it.

Regardless, it'll be quite a while before all states adopt any kind of legislature making gay marriage legal.

[Shanti418]

The next step for the dissenting opinion is the Supreme Court since it was a federal court judge who overturned it.

No, as I was saying, it goes to the 9th Circuit of Appeals first. Then (and most likely, given that the 9th Circuit is famously liberal according to critics and supporters alike) as long as the 9th doesn't overturn it, it will go to the Supreme Court.

Regardless, it'll be quite a while before all states adopt any kind of legislature making gay marriage legal.

No, it doesn't matter two s***s what the states do. That's why this ruling is so important. The prosecution argued that homosexuals can marry based on the 14th amendment, not based on whatever state marriage laws say. Therefore, if the Supreme Court upholds Judge Vaughn's ruling, then essentially all states will be forced to legalize gay marriage. This is exactly what happened with Loving vs. Virginia in 1967, where the Supreme Court ruled interracial marriage to be legal. At that point, all the southern states that had laws against interracial marriage were forced to adopt to the federal law, regardless of what sort of bigotry they had on the books at the time.

[Professor Smooth]

Seriously - where do people get the energy to get so worked up about sh*t that has no impact on them?

i can barely get out of bed in the morning.

On the other side of the coin, there are the people who simply do not care at all about things that DO impact them.

[Best First]

fair point. All that is required for evil to triumph is blah etc.

it just amazes me the gusto people put into trivial sh*t.

I'm not saying the right to gay marriage is trivial - i'm saying protesting against that, against about what other people get up to when no one involved is getting hurt (except in the usual relationship ways!) is trivial, esepcially when you compare it to some of the real and important sh*t that goes on in the world.

I'm not saying everyone has to like it - it just baffles me that this si some people's primary purpose in life.

If these people care so much about the greater good why aren't they focussing on poverty or war?

Ah, hang on - it's because they are moronic c*nts isn't it?

[Brendocon]

it just amazes me the gusto people put into trivial sh*t.

Anyway, back to this Transformers site we've all made...

[Best First]

yeah, but in our defence we have maintained it in a highly apathetic way.

[Brendocon]

Fair point.

[bumblemusprime]

I don't think he can overturn it. He can APPEAL it, but given that he didn't even choose to defend the Prop 8 in court, I don't think the train is being driven by the Governator at this point. It's a combination of Mormons, Catholics, and conservative special interest groups that will take this to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and then most likely the Supreme Court.

The Governator, I believe, has public called Prop 8 "a waste."

[Best First]

bing

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/Why ... 10-02.html

[Shanti418]

bing

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/Why ... 10-02.html

Indeed, although they were intelligent enough to NOT make the "because God says so" argument in court. Rather, their poorly presented perspective was basically "The state promotes marriage because marriage promotes stable procreation, so if you can't procreate out of your marriage, then the state has no interest in promoting it." And the judge in turn said, "So basically what you're saying is that opposite sex marriages are superior to same sex marriages. Uh, that's unconstitutional."

[Best First]

ahahaha!! that may actually be more stupid than the religous arguement. Brilliant.

So getting married without intending to have children should be illegal.

And anything that the state 'has no interest in promoting' should also be illegal. Flip flops say. No greater good will come of flip flops. Bannernation.

Not to mention that the notion of marriage precedes the notion of states by some way, and exists in cultures that don't really have a concept of state - so suggesting that this is the definition of marraige basically suggests you are an ignorant fool with no concept of a) facts or b) logic.

Tuh-wats.

[Professor Smooth]

it just amazes me the gusto people put into trivial sh*t.

Anyway, back to this Transformers site we've all made...

Not quite the same thing. We'd need to make a website dedicated to keeping Ducktales from ever coming back. That'd be a fun message board. "Did you hear that Toon Disney might show Ducktales at 4:00 am? What? We have to call and complain!"

[sidestreaker]

Ducktales whooo hoeeee!!


it's a duck blurrrrrr

[Professor Smooth]

Ducktales whooo hoeeee!!


it's a duck blurrrrrr

Okay. Bad example. Ducktales is awesome. After making that post, I went and watched a bunch of eps on YouTube. They hold up, even after all these years.

[saysadie]

I loved everything about Ducktales.

I have to admit to being less than enthused about CA. But people marrying if they want to is good.

[Professor Smooth]

The action over this is intensifying and some of the stuff that's being said just baffles me. Just about everybody who supports Prop 8 is all up in arms about how "the people voted for it, so the government shouldn't be able to strike it down."

However, it wasn't struck down because the government didn't like it, or "thought they knew better than the people." It happened because Prop 8 was unconstitutional. All laws have to adhere to the constitution. If you want to amend the constitution, by all means, give it a shot. But until that happens, the constitution must be upheld.

But, then again, I'm baffled at the treatment Republicans have given the constitution as of late. Traditionally, they were all, "the constitution is perfect, must be adhered to, and should never be changed, especially just for convenience." Now, they're trying to throw out parts of it left and right!

[Hot Shot]

But, then again, I'm baffled at the treatment Republicans have given the constitution as of late.

You shouldn't be. They're Republicans.

[Shanti418]

You know who was a Republican? Scrooge McDuck. Dirty capitalist! And Launchpad McQuack. Military Industrial Complex stooge! I side with the people. I side with Higher for Hire.