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Born on Earth, looks like it?Shanti418 wrote:how the Final Five were originally created
) and even the little things I was wondering about make sense: why is Boomer/Athena number Eight when there's seven of them? Because there's actually eight of them. 
Best First wrote:I thought we could just meander between making well thought out points, being needlessly immature, provocative and generalist, then veer into caring about constructive debate and make a few valid points, act civil for a bit, then lower the tone again, then act offended when we get called on it, then dictate what it is and isn't worth debating, reinterpret a few of my own posts through a less offensive lens, then jaunt down whatever other path our seemingly volatile mood took us in.
Or, more simply, we've got 12 humanoid models of cylon, with a thirteenth who was boxed. It's like I'm almost but not quite in RDM's brain. All the 12s are actually 13s now. That's frakking cool!Brendocon wrote:We've got 12 colonies of humans. But there's a thirteenth, which actually turn out to be cylons.
We've got the 12 gods worshipped by humanity. But there's a thirteenth, the god worshipped by the cylons.
And then we've got 12 humanoid models of cylon, with the ability to resurrect. But then we've got Kara, who's human...
Well, RDM's been fairly open about the fact that, for the large part, they're making it up as they go. The astonishing thing is that every answer and revelation seems to fit flawlessly with everything that's gone before.Ozz wrote:well, there was always the possibility they were pulling them out of their arses, right?
Before this ep, almost certainly... but with the reveal that Cavil saved Ellen and put her on a shuttle... that he helped Anders with the resistance on Caprica... I wouldn't be surprised to learn he had his finger in other pies as well. Like Ellen said, he wanted them to have a front row seat for the holocaust.Spidey wrote:Isn't it a bit of a coincidence that the Final Five all survived the war?
That's how I interpreted the line, yeah. She's not going to refer to her race in the third person.Ozz wrote:By 'us' didn't she simply mean the 13th tribe as a whole?
Though the last episode is at least a double. Wooha!Spidey again wrote:Only 4 more to go! That crept up on us fast...
So then you're saying that the 13th Tribe were Old School Cylons when they left Kobol 2000 years before everyone else to go to Earth. Then, while on Earth, two things happen - One, they create skinjobs, among which are the Final Five, and Two, they create their OWN Centurians, who then attack Earth in a nuclear war? I don't get it. We know the 13th Tribe are Cylons, and based on Anders, we know that the Earthers were killed by Centurian nuclear war (the outcome they were on their way to the colonies to prevent). I'm just trying to figure out exactly where it went from Robots to Skinjobs.Brend wrote:That's how I interpreted the line, yeah. She's not going to refer to her race in the third person.Ozz wrote:By 'us' didn't she simply mean the 13th tribe as a whole?
Best First wrote:I thought we could just meander between making well thought out points, being needlessly immature, provocative and generalist, then veer into caring about constructive debate and make a few valid points, act civil for a bit, then lower the tone again, then act offended when we get called on it, then dictate what it is and isn't worth debating, reinterpret a few of my own posts through a less offensive lens, then jaunt down whatever other path our seemingly volatile mood took us in.
The way I see it: The 13th Tribe were skinjobs when they left Cobol/separated from other Tribes. They could procreate (Ellen said that Cavil was modelled after her father). They built their own Centurions (or Centurions were already on Cobol and 13th Tribe took them when they left). Centurions rebelled, and later destroyed the Earth. Five Cylons from 13th Tribe were suspecting it (and apparently had some visions that warned them), so they decided to modify old technology to save themselves.Shanti418 wrote:So then you're saying that the 13th Tribe were Old School Cylons when they left Kobol 2000 years before everyone else to go to Earth. Then, while on Earth, two things happen - One, they create skinjobs, among which are the Final Five, and Two, they create their OWN Centurians, who then attack Earth in a nuclear war? I don't get it.
They're might show it all in The Plan (which looks more and more interesting).Brendocon wrote:Liked Cavil's reference to "the colony" - presumably means the planet they lived on in the intervening 40 years.
The comment about "swirl and twist" or whatever Ellen calls that move, was hilarious.That's my thought too. RDM said on a commentary that part of the reason they all left Kobol was because man "stole fire from the gods" - the fire in question being the ability to create life. When man and synthman went their seperate ways, they both ended up creating machine slaves...Ozz wrote:The way I see it: The 13th Tribe were skinjobs when they left Cobol/separated from other Tribes.
I think that, whatever Kara is, she triggered the "organic memory transfer" tech that the five had used, definitely.(that space station can still be there).
From what I've read about Caprica, the original (colonial) Cylons were something to do with a secret monothiest cult... so it likely stems from that.There's still a lot of ground to cover concerning the Centurion God and other supernatural things
Nope. The original intended backstory for Saul was that he'd been a Viper pilot in the first war, and that he'd written books about the Cylons, etc. But we've never seen it. He thinks he was in the first war (which, technically, he was - he helped end it after all), but the only flashback we've seen (non Earth, of course) was him meeting Bill Adama on a freighter between the wars (back in 201 Scattered)... and Adama was obviously older than the flashback to the Last Day during Razor.One thing I still can't get my head around is the whole infiltration process. John put Saul on Colonies after the first war, but he was supposed to be fighting in the war, right? There might have been even a flashback which shows it.
See, I think the wording is going to be important. She's the harbinger of death. She came back and people have started dying left right and centre. She will lead them all to their end. Not the apocalypse... not a holocaust... not destruction... their end. The end of what? If it's all happened before and will happen again, then does that mean it's cyclical? Will she just lead them all to the end of the cycle? Or was it the end of the journey? Which she already has done...Plus, if she's an Antichrist who's supposed to lead her people to destruction
Best First wrote:I thought we could just meander between making well thought out points, being needlessly immature, provocative and generalist, then veer into caring about constructive debate and make a few valid points, act civil for a bit, then lower the tone again, then act offended when we get called on it, then dictate what it is and isn't worth debating, reinterpret a few of my own posts through a less offensive lens, then jaunt down whatever other path our seemingly volatile mood took us in.
Best First wrote:I thought we could just meander between making well thought out points, being needlessly immature, provocative and generalist, then veer into caring about constructive debate and make a few valid points, act civil for a bit, then lower the tone again, then act offended when we get called on it, then dictate what it is and isn't worth debating, reinterpret a few of my own posts through a less offensive lens, then jaunt down whatever other path our seemingly volatile mood took us in.
Best First wrote:I thought we could just meander between making well thought out points, being needlessly immature, provocative and generalist, then veer into caring about constructive debate and make a few valid points, act civil for a bit, then lower the tone again, then act offended when we get called on it, then dictate what it is and isn't worth debating, reinterpret a few of my own posts through a less offensive lens, then jaunt down whatever other path our seemingly volatile mood took us in.
[/edit] hours so it's more like four episodes left. Which should be just enough.Three. The series finale is "Daybreak", which is two episodes. Part 1 is next week and is a regular ep, Part 2 is a double length ep.Ozz wrote:The series finale is supposed to last [edit]three
By my count, the only things really need answering are the Opera House stuff and The Music.Metal Vendetta wrote:Hmmm, revelations didn't abound.
Eight notes in an octatonic scale... eight models of skinjobs created by the final five.Metal Vendetta wrote:I got the keyboard out this afternoon and worked it out - I've been having great fun playing that riff
