Terminator: Salivation. (now with SPOILERS).

[Best First]

I thought the kid from Diversity was really good in it though.

Nice one

I really enjoyed it though. Thought it belted along nicely although i imagine bits of it don't stand up too well to scrutiny but i'm in a bit of a Sunday mood so my higher functions may have been seduced by the explosions.

Connor's characterisation definitely relied more on our expectations of him than what he actually did though.

And that bit you refferred to was very well realised - much better than the creepy de-aging equivelent at the end of Wolverine.

So better than Wolverine but not as good as Star Trek, which is what i was expecting.

[Yaya]

John Connor's characterisation basically amounted to shouting all the time.

I think that was the worst thing about the film, was Bale.

He was just freakin annoying the whole flick, shouting and yelling like a banshee.

[snarl]

I thought it was really good.

I've not seen Startreck yet though.

[stranger]

I didn't enjoy this film at all.

What I don't understand is how Kyle Reese was top of Skynets **** list? How on earth does Skynet know who John Connors Dad is?

Infact - go one futher - how does it know at that point who John Conner is? Also - why lure John with Reese, when all it needs to do is... kill Reese? Won't that achieve the same thing?

Bah... it all falls apart - why cant people with "Mc" in their name write coherent plots?

[Ozz]

McG is a director.

why lure John with Reese

See, that's not the first time I see that and still don't follow what the fuse is about. Skynet didn't lure Connor with Reese. Marcus led Connor into a trap, unintentionally, because he wanted to help him save Reese. Reese was captured along with other humans and the robots didn't even know they had Reese until the gathering-bot went back to base and systems recogninzed him. Of course, once they did, they should have wasted him right away, which they didn't. Not very wise - yes. One of the biggest plot hole in the history of cinema, as I've seen it being referred too - hardly.

[stranger]

McG is a director.

why lure John with Reese

See, that's not the first time I see that and still don't follow what the fuse is about. Skynet didn't lure Connor with Reese. Marcus led Connor into a trap, unintentionally, because he wanted to help him save Reese. Reese was captured along with other humans and the robots didn't even know they had Reese until the gathering-bot went back to base and systems recogninzed him. Of course, once they did, they should have wasted him right away, which they didn't. Not very wise - yes. One of the biggest plot hole in the history of cinema, as I've seen it being referred too - hardly.

But it still doesnt work... why does Skynet know of Kyle Reese? Or John Conner? At this point in Skynets life, they're just two other humans to exterminate.

Its not the biggest plot hole in cinema history no, but it's still sloppy none-the-less.

[Yaya]

But it still doesnt work... why does Skynet know of Kyle Reese? Or John Conner? At this point in Skynets life, they're just two other humans to exterminate.

Its not the biggest plot hole in cinema history no, but it's still sloppy none-the-less.

I think by this point in the film and in Skynet's life they did know who John Connor was. I think they did see him become the leader of the resistence.

[Best First]

But it still doesnt work... why does Skynet know of Kyle Reese? Or John Conner? At this point in Skynets life, they're just two other humans to exterminate.

Its not the biggest plot hole in cinema history no, but it's still sloppy none-the-less.

I think by this point in the film and in Skynet's life they did know who John Connor was. I think they did see him become the leader of the resistence.

Wouldn't red leather clad female Terminator have provided this information when she came back and jump started Skynet in T3?

Altho i actually can't think of time when Skynet could have figured out who Reese was.

Even though, as stated, i enjoyed it, i thought the whole John Conner "You can't bomb them, I might not exist" thing was a bit odd - does he really think he is the only man who can save things? If they had played up the human prisoners angle more than the saving himself angle i reckon it would have worked better.

[stranger]

Wouldn't red leather clad female Terminator have provided this information when she came back and jump started Skynet in T3?

Altho i actually can't think of time when Skynet could have figured out who Reese was.

I'd actually buy the explanation for Conner. But Reece... just can't get figure out that loose end.

Add Skynet monologuing like a dreamwave Shockwave to Marcus at the end of the film to the odd pile. It was a bit dumb.

[Pissin' Poonani]

This film was deeply flawed, but the biggest problem was that in order to secure a PG-13 rating they had to drop Moon Bloodgood's topless scene.

Bustards.

[BB Shockwave]

McG is a director.

why lure John with Reese

See, that's not the first time I see that and still don't follow what the fuse is about. Skynet didn't lure Connor with Reese. Marcus led Connor into a trap, unintentionally, because he wanted to help him save Reese. Reese was captured along with other humans and the robots didn't even know they had Reese until the gathering-bot went back to base and systems recogninzed him. Of course, once they did, they should have wasted him right away, which they didn't. Not very wise - yes. One of the biggest plot hole in the history of cinema, as I've seen it being referred too - hardly.

Not quite - Skynet knew he was there. Skynet saw everything Marcus saw. That was very cleverly worked out - they knew Connor would 100% come to save his father. They could not control Marcus and make him kill Connor, but they made him lure him to them.

I saw the movie two days ago, and I think it was effin brilliant. Will watch it again.

To those who say Connor wasn't really worked out or important - keep in mind, he never has been the star of these movies. Terminator movies are about, well, the Terminators. And this was no different - this was Marcus' movie, and Worthington played the part really well.

The action scenes were brilliant (no shakey cam unlike Bayformers, so you could actually see what was going on), the plot was well-thought out, even the end scene makes total sense and justifies the title (Salvation) - Marcus got his second chance. And the whole (Fallout-like) post-apocalyptic enviroment was really believable, moreso then in mad Max movies.

My two beefs with the movie (one is actually for the previous films too):

-Terminators are super-strong, so why do they not simply break someone's neck/spine when they grab him but instead opt to throw them into a wall?

-Twice in the movie, Bale (and others) are in the near vicinity of a ye olde mushroom cloud, and yet they show no ill effects... I guess those were mini-nukes, but still, unless in 2018 you have got "Rad-Away" for radiation poisioning?

This film was deeply flawed, but the biggest problem was that in order to secure a PG-13 rating they had to drop Moon Bloodgood's topless scene.

Bustards.

Indeed! Well,I bet it'll be on the special edition DVD. Or will find its way to the net one way or another. She is quite a hottie...


As for Skynet knowing who Reese was - it was shown a lot of times that the timeline was altered (Skynet developing T800-s earlier due to Marcus, whose cyberentic implants were no doubt reverse engineered from the first T800 - nice time paradox) so I can totally see that we will find that out in the next movie. They said Reese would be a key player in them.