Heroes Season 3

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:44 am

A mess. A total, absolute mess of a show.

Please put this thing to rest.

The first season was great, the second just bad, but this one has been plain awful.

It's really an insult to my intelligence. Probably so for many a comic book reading/sci-fi fan.

Post by **snarl** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:41 am

Speak for yourself.

Suresh is annoying, but other then that it's been good.

Season 2 was fine.

Let me get this straight - you actually like AHM, but this is an insult to your intelligence?

So what's so bad about it then?

I'd give it an A-

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:30 pm

The problem I have with Heroes is that it's become a muddled mess of a story, a confusing cacaphony of time jumps and personality changes, completely lacking any of the consistency or creativity of the incredible first season.

Suddenly, where some characters had a single ability, now they have multiple abilities or their personality has been completely altered. Suddenly, Parker can paint the future, for example. Suddenly, Mr. Linderman can appear as a ghost to Nathan. Suddenly, Nathan...found God? Suddenly, Mohindar and that Mexican chick are getting it on. Like, out of the blue. Suddenly, Cylar willingly works with HRG, just for the purpose of giving the villian the role of hero. Like we couldn't see that coming! Nice idea. But the execution of it was so abrupt and predictable, it was simply annoying.

The acting is atrocious. I mean, absolutely atrocious. Peter, the "star" of the show being the worst amongst them. Unlike Lost, where rarely there is a character that comes off as annoying, the entire freaking cast of this show, save HRG and Cylar, rubs me the wrong way. Parker. Peter. Peter's annoying mother. Niki. Linderman. Ugh.

I see a complete lack of creativity and direction on the writer's part. Suddenly, Peter is again trying to save the world from exploding, just this time it happens in the future.

This is the end, snarlz. Enjoy it while you can, because I can guarantee you it ain't coming back for a fourth season.

What the writer's should have done was begin with a whole new cast, then slowly reintroduce season one characters to the plot. Instead, they have made even Hiro stale and overdone.

It's no Lost, that's for sure.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:05 pm

Yaya wrote:The acting is atrocious. I mean, absolutely atrocious. Peter, the "star" of the show being the worst amongst them. Unlike Lost, where rarely there is a character that comes off as annoying, the entire freaking cast of this show, save HRG and Cylar, rubs me the wrong way.

You are kidding right? the majority of the characters in lost annoyed the hell out of me, really, really so...

Yaya wrote:It's no Lost, that's for sure.

Thank god for that... but anyway, to the point at hand...

I'm with snarlos on this, season two, whilst not being as action-packed as season one was still quite good, season three (so far) has been really good.

A lot of the things you say 'came out of the blue' may have done so, but like in real life, things can suddenly happen that you don't understand until much later. in this instance it's part of the story telling, making the viewer ask "what's going on?" and keep on watching to find out.

If you need to have things spelled out to you before, during and after they happen then, well, stick with AHM in which is the total antithesis of what i've seen so far in season three of heroes.

my twopence.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:31 pm

Review of last episode.

My brain hurts just reading the summary of what went down last night.

http://www.newsarama.com/tv/100807-Post ... eroes.html

wideload · Post by **wideload** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:21 am

Yaya wrote:The problem I have with Heroes is that it's become a muddled mess of a story, a confusing cacaphony of time jumps and personality changes, completely lacking any of the consistency or creativity of the incredible first season.

Suddenly, where some characters had a single ability, now they have multiple abilities or their personality has been completely altered. Suddenly, Parker can paint the future, for example. Suddenly, Mr. Linderman can appear as a ghost to Nathan. Suddenly, Nathan...found God? Suddenly, Mohindar and that Mexican chick are getting it on. Like, out of the blue. Suddenly, Cylar willingly works with HRG, just for the purpose of giving the villian the role of hero. Like we couldn't see that coming! Nice idea. But the execution of it was so abrupt and predictable, it was simply annoying.

The acting is atrocious. I mean, absolutely atrocious. Peter, the "star" of the show being the worst amongst them. Unlike Lost, where rarely there is a character that comes off as annoying, the entire freaking cast of this show, save HRG and Cylar, rubs me the wrong way. Parker. Peter. Peter's annoying mother. Niki. Linderman. Ugh.

I see a complete lack of creativity and direction on the writer's part. Suddenly, Peter is again trying to save the world from exploding, just this time it happens in the future.

This is the end, snarlz. Enjoy it while you can, because I can guarantee you it ain't coming back for a fourth season.

What the writer's should have done was begin with a whole new cast, then slowly reintroduce season one characters to the plot. Instead, they have made even Hiro stale and overdone.

It's no Lost, that's for sure.

******SPOILERS******

To be honest... Linderman appearing as a ghost, probably isn't happening and is just a psychosis of some kind.

Nathan finding God hasnt necessarily been explained, could be just a ploy. Also it didnt happen suddenly... he came back from the dead.

Mohinder didnt suddenly get it on with the Mexican either. They explained quite clearly that the drug increased his mojo.

Cylar isn't suddenly just working with HRG either, he is working for his new mother.

I agree overall the show isnt as fresh. The last season was a mess, but that is explained by the writer's strike. Overall this show hasn't blown me away this season, but show's enough promiss I think it deserves the benefit of the doubt for a few more episodes at least.

I do agree the acting suffers at time, but it's not really any worse than most television. This is not a blockbuster film, its a weekly television program.

Post by **snarl** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:52 am

That Peter Petrelli actor isn't that great, agreed, and his character has become a tad annoying yeah, I did like him much more at the beginning.

But the rest of them are decent.

Suresh as this total geezer is odd as well, but we'll have to see it play out.

Now, something I will never understand. People complaining about not knowing the entire plot as soon as a new strand starts.

I mean... what would be the ******* point of anything if you knew what was going to happen as soon as it started?

I mean for ****s sake.

"I don't know why that has happened" - how is that ever a good reason not to like something, unless a) the show finishes without a reason ever being given, or b) the reason is a **** one?

Neither of which have happened

For ****s sake...

Anybody who has seen this from the beginning and finds it hard to follow - too stupid to be allowed to live.

Going on what we have seen, how the hell is what Sylar is doing out of Character? This goes for P. Petrelli and anybody else.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:38 pm

wideload wrote: I agree overall the show isnt as fresh.

Problem is they set the bar pretty high with that first season.

Like I said, I feel they should have brought in a whole new cast. Probably couldn't do it fo budgetary reasons, but things get stale when Peter is still trying to save the world.

The special effects have been horrible. The flight sequences with Nathan look bad.

But that's not really a big deal to me. The story is, though.

I just think the writers aren't anywhere near as clever as they were the first season.

Are the people writing this season different from the first? I know Loeb was involved in the first season.

Post by **snarl** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:29 pm

I think the thing is, the stakes are raised now.

When the series started, nobody has any power, they're just regular dudes.

Now they all have their powers, obviously the dynamic is completely changed. The show is certainly less subtle.

And when you hav a few guys who's power is basically being able tp take on the power of somebody else, well it stands to reason that they're going to get ****** hard as nails pretty quick, doesn't it.

Now, if you're personal taste is that you preferred it before it evolved, i.e. when it was more subtle, that's all well and good. But I just don't see how the characters are betraying themselves, nor do I think the standard of writing or acting is noticably bad - or even noticably worse then the other series'.

I still don't understand why so many people have written off series 2, it was easily better then the vast majority of programmes on TV.

Any old hack can churn some **** out on the net and put it in a place where a fair amount of people will see it - so if you stick it up on www.bitterbastards.nobs & www.desperatetolookcool.twats - well, it can get a little groundswell of hate going... This gets given a bit more publicity by Dave lazy, the hack that writes for SAD (**** and desperate [to look cool]) magazine that, being desperate to look cool, tries to mirror what it percieves to be public opinion, instead of actually watching and reviewing the thing and writing out their own opinion - Dave Lazy is a cock, see, and just wants people to love him.

So he goes to the most popular places, which are invariably seen as popular because there is a lot of traffic, but as we all know, more traffic is generated by people bitching about stuff then there ever is by people making praise.

Summarising: slating Heroes S2 got momentum amongst a fairly sizable proportion of bitter, thick bastards and grew to become a deafult box to tick amongst ******* imbeciles who go on the net and attempt to make themselves look cool.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:37 pm

snarl wrote: I still don't understand why so many people have written off series 2, it was easily better then the vast majority of programmes on TV.

That, I agree with. So much garbage out there.

It's why I stay as far away from the tele as is possible, save for the Simpsons, Heroes, Lost, and Man vs. Wild with Beare Grylls and other such Discovery channel shows.

So I judge Heroes relative to these other shows, and for me, it's falling short fast.

But overall, I agree, I'd watch it over 99% of the other stuff.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:47 am

Hmm...

I don't watch much tv myself. If C4 streamed the news I would probably never buy another TV.

There really is no excuse not to watch Dexter and Generation Kill.

Middleman is fun in a Buffy season 1 / 2 way as well.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:15 am

If anyone wants to know, im really enjoying Season 3 so far.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:51 am

Same here.

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:37 am

I watched Season 1, but refuse to watch after that.

Why?

Because they're changing things, and I don't like that I can't figure out what's going to happen from the offset. They should just rehash the same story lines so that my brain doesn't get taxed, and I can continue trying to figure out what the hell Bakugan Battle Brawlers is all about.

In other news, I love you all and hope you're all well x x x x

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:46 pm

Last episode wasn't so bad.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:47 pm

Getting better. Last night's episode was good.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:14 pm

Ah. The weekly review

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:36 pm

And profoundly informative, wouldn't you say?

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:16 pm

Count me among those who enjoys the 3. season of Heroes too.

Sure enough in the beginning many things didn't make sense, but not to the extent Yaya makes it look like.

I like that Sylar is on the way to redemption - wouldn't be surprised if it was him 'saving the day' in the season finale and not Peter. Now it also makes sense why he and Peter have so similar abilities, seeing as who their father was.

Must say, almost every scene with Hiro and Ando is priceless, loved the way they were trying to kidnap the precog, or when he faces his 'nemesis'...

And when Hiro (seemingly) kills Ando, it was a very stunning moment, a great cliffhanger - I mean, I knew Hiro wouldn't do this ever, and he had some trick up his sleeve to save Ando, but couldn't figure out what it was until the next episode ...

I'm kinda sad they offed a few pretty good character, like 'Bob' or Kensei. And whatever happened to Peter's girlfriend that got stranded in the alternate future (with the Shanti virus outbreak) ?

Must say, the way Mohinder is becoming a pretty gross "Amazing Spiderman" in the show is sheer genius...

Wonder what he needs the people in the cocoons for? Nourishment? Or just following his instincts?

I read somewhere that Kring has the whole story mapped out until Season 5 (just like Furman does with his stories), hope it doesn't get cancelled before that like 4400 did.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:28 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:I like that Sylar is on the way to redemption - wouldn't be surprised if it was him 'saving the day' in the season finale and not Peter. Now it also makes sense why he and Peter have so similar abilities, seeing as who their father was.

Nah, Peter's gonna save the day. He always saves the day.

I'm not so sure they do have the same father. I'm of the opinion that Gabriel is not Peter and Nathan's full brother, but only half-brother through Angela's affair with Hiro's father. Which would also explain why he was put up for adoption.

I'm kinda sad they offed a few pretty good character, like 'Bob' or Kensei. And whatever happened to Peter's girlfriend that got stranded in the alternate future (with the Shanti virus outbreak) ?

Caitlin's still in that alternate future, which, due to the Shanti virus outbreak being nullified, is no longer available from the present. Basically, she's gone for good. Thus making Peter the ultimate villain, in that he can dispose of people benevolently by hurling them into the future, then preventing said future from ever occurring.

Must say, the way Mohinder is becoming a pretty gross "Amazing Spiderman" in the show is sheer genius...

A better analogy would probably be Jeff Goldblum's character in the remake of The Fly. And with Maya doing the Geena Davis part, who knows what the analogy of Eric Stoltz in The Fly II will be like.

I read somewhere that Kring has the whole story mapped out until Season 5 (just like Furman does with his stories), hope it doesn't get cancelled before that like 4400 did.

I don't think that's true. I mean, originally, the latter half of Season 2 was going to be Volume 3: Exodus and deal primarily with the consequences of an occurring Shanti virus outbreak. One writers' strike later, and those plans are shelved with a totally different storyline in place.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:10 pm

Show of hands, who thinks Peter is the worst actor they've seen in recent years?

His facial expression is always one of extreme constipation.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:28 pm

Rebis wrote:Nah, Peter's gonna save the day. He always saves the day.

I'm not so sure they do have the same father. I'm of the opinion that Gabriel is not Peter and Nathan's full brother, but only half-brother through Angela's affair with Hiro's father. Which would also explain why he was put up for adoption.

Hmm, interesting theory... Though Sylar doesn't really show any asian appearance. But it's possible. Hiro wouldn't be delighted if this turns out to be true...

Caitlin's still in that alternate future, which, due to the Shanti virus outbreak being nullified, is no longer available from the present. Basically, she's gone for good. Thus making Peter the ultimate villain, in that he can dispose of people benevolently by hurling them into the future, then preventing said future from ever occurring.

Zoinks, that's a pretty final erasement from history! I wonder if Peter is shown so totally unmoved by her absence because by erasing her from history, all the memories about her disappeared too?

A better analogy would probably be Jeff Goldblum's character in the remake of The Fly. And with Maya doing the Geena Davis part, who knows what the analogy of Eric Stoltz in The Fly II will be like.

I know, it's more like that movie (and the actor is pretty similar-looking to Goldblum as well) but I always liked to play with the idea that in a REALISTIC comic/cartoon (note the paradox here...), what would happen to a person bitten by a radioactive spider? I guess the result would be similar to what happened to Mohinder...

I don't think that's true. I mean, originally, the latter half of Season 2 was going to be Volume 3: Exodus and deal primarily with the consequences of an occurring Shanti virus outbreak. One writers' strike later, and those plans are shelved with a totally different storyline in place.

Well it's from wikipedia, so it's 50% true or not true...

Anyhow, I liked Kring's storylines - I watched "Crossing Jordan", his previous series to the last season. Kring's strenght lies in creating defined and memorable characters and running lots of underlying plots through a series while also creating interesting one-episode scenarios. When I first heard of Heroes and saw his name, I knew I wouldn't be dissapointed.

Yaya - yeah, Peter isn't a great actor. But I like him this way. I mean... he's (or was...) maybe the most powerfull character in the series, but he's no Superman, personality-wise. He's just your average guy, trying to find his way in life. So an average actor is good enough for the role. I can't say the same for Sylar - he wouldn't be believable with a weaker actor. (Though, I still cannot imagine that guy as Spock... he's much too stocky for a vulcan. We'll see...)

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:12 am

Huh.

Getting better and better with each episode.

That was unexpected. I stand corrected.

Carry on.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:51 pm

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=18624

And article at CBR citing pretty much all the reasons I feel the show has suffered since Season One.

stranger · Post by **stranger** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:28 pm

I didn't catch up with the heroes thing until late into season 1, so pretty much watched that in one go just before season 2 started. I wouldn't say I fell in love with it, but I did enjoy it. Season 2 however felt like a mess, and to be honest I haven't found the urge to watch the end of it.

Hiro seemed to be involved in some bizarre episode of Power Rangers, Peter Petrelli (spl?) had plot device amnesia, Sylar had a handy power downgrade, the whole thing felt unconnected and pretty boring. As someone who lost the will to watch around episode 8 of that season, can anyone tell me if it picks up? Does season 3 flow any better?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:06 am

Mid-season break and we've heard nothing about it from Yaya in months!

I didn't think it had gotten that bad.

Interesting how events are pushing toward some kind of amalgamated form of the futures we've seen so far.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:22 am

Well, seasons over.

What the [composite word including 'f*ck'] was that all about?

Cylars Treehouse of Horror and all that.

Glad their bringing the first season writer back to save this sucker.

Cause it needs a'savin.

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:59 pm

Well, after last night's episode, that's it for me.

This show officially sucks.

How many times are we going to go back and forth.

HRG: "I'm doing this to keep you safe."
Clare: "No you're not, you're a monster!"

Peter: "I'm going to stop you, Nathan."
Nathan: "No you're not, Peter. I love you, but I have to do this."

[composite word including 'f*ck'] man, this show has gotten so annoying.

Never has a show gone from uber cool to uber ass.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:04 am

Haha, the other day I was on the tube, wearing my long black coat. I was carrying a couple of bags, and when I pulled off my hat I was a bit sweaty. Anyway, these two Korean (I think) dudes were talking in a language I don't understand, but I kind of got that they were talking about me. One of them said, and I paraphrase, "Assldaljei tsdnfdkj dljfrhehehfla kdjfhkdj PeterPetrelli sljfdl iesejhjhd sdkakurgeu sdjfhskjhf Heroes sdkdfj." I turned around and said "Ando? Hiro?" ...It was a beautiful moment for all three of us.

I love my long black coat. I usually get called Neo (or "the One") but lately the thing people have been shouting at me in the street have been diversifying. Before that, I wore it with a hood and kitbag and got called Van Helsing, and with a black beanie some kids were chanting "Hitman, hitman" at me as I went into my flat. Best of all, in the corner shop the other day some kid asked me if I was Batman, and there's only one answer to that.

Anyway, Heroes. can't help but think that they've missed the boat on the whole Gitmo Bay thing...they should have got Parkman to paint the election result before they pursued such a politically motivated storyline, because I can't help feeling that since Obama announced he was closing Guantanamo down the analogy lacks the dramatic resonance in the public psyche it might once have had. Other than that, can they please please please get Hiro his powers back and stop ****ing about with his character. He's easily the best thing about the show, and I hate the way he just get sidelined for comic relief all the time.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:10 am

I guess those of us on this side of the Atlantic will start giving our opinions of Volume Four from the 23rd onwards.

EmVee wrote:Best of all, in the corner shop the other day some kid asked me if I was Batman, and there's only one answer to that.

"If I'm not wearing the mask, that doesn't automatically mean the answer's 'no'" ?