Vote Saxon - (Discussion on Doctor Who Series 3)

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:30 am

Great first episode - a good introduction to the new companion and plenty of weird aliens. I suspect we'll be seeing the J'doon again this series. Martha was believable and just enthusiastic enough, though I won't be sorry if we don't spend as much time with her family as we did with the Tylers - more sci-fi and less soap this time, please. Tennant pulled enough faces to convince me that he was on form and the in-jokes and references were kept at an acceptable level. Some interesting titbits as well - is this the first time it's been mentioned that the Doctor had a brother?

And of course, is this topic's title the new Bad Wolf?

Post by **Best First** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:53 am

missed it - any ideas about repeats anyone?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:29 am

I think it's repeated on Sundays on BBC3...not that that's any good to you now...There's always bitTorrent though

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:35 pm

It should get another repeat on BBC3 this week...

The Master has been hinted as being the Doctor's brother in the past.

Really liked Smith & Jones. The trailer clips of Martha didn't do her justice... she actually really impressed me, and there was some good chemistry on show. Best season opener of the new series, and much more likeable than The Runaway Bride (which try as I might, I just can't like).

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:38 pm

Lots of rumours out there, some way out there, some not so much.

Interesting, I thought, was that John Simm is going to be in it at some point, but not as a certain timelost police detective.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:43 pm

"Mr. Saxon" gave the soldiers the order to fire on the Raknos ship in The Runaway Bride (watched it again last night) - he's also mentioned on the radio phone-in in Smith and Jones as well as the "Vote Saxon" poster.

Definitely the new Bad Wolf.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:48 pm

BF, watch out for a BBC3 Smith & Jones repeat tommorow night.

The Shakespeare Code looks like its going to be an absolute belter.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:22 am

Loved it. Martha's actually likeable and smart enough not to be The One Who Needs Everything Explaining By Way Of Exposition.

Runaway Bride was pants, for the record.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:51 am

Gah, havent seen a single Dr.Who episode since it restared, ok, thats a lie, Ive seen a few...

Just always seem to be busy

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:23 pm

Last nights episode (episode 2 with Will Shakespear) was unadulterated babah!!

A few good ideas lost in a script that was propped up with too many 'comedy' stylings. Reminded me of the Sylvester McCoy era. Poo!

But, considering that this is series 3, and this is the first episode I've hated, thats not bad going I suppose. I just hope this was a one-off failure!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:10 pm

I thought it was sumptious. Great use of locations and effects, the head witch was a lot of fun, Shakespeare was a dude, Tennant was great (that scene on the bed was very Doctorish to me - I could imagine any classic series doctor acting like that, er, except Hartnell), lovely soundtrack, I really like Martha and the humour was spot on for me too.

The other two witches were a bit silly I suppose, but faithful to the Shakespeare idea of witches, so...

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:14 pm

I thought it was a fun romp let down by some really shabby Harry ****ing Potter jokes

Kev from off of Shameless was fab though.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:23 am

Gridlock was excellent. I found the first half incredibly claustrophobic, and the ending so very sad. Great acting.

Have they got a bigger budget this year or something? Really ambitious stuff.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:50 am

i have missed theam ll so far - hopefully they will do the quicko DVD releases like usual.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:17 pm

I thought Gridlock was a little weak plotwise, but had some good performances...overall the best part for me was next week's trailer.

ZOMG DALEKS!!!111one

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:18 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:And of course, is this topic's title the new Bad Wolf?

Yep, although Bad Wolf is still doing the rounds, there was an obscure badground refernce to it in Gridlock in fact.

spiderfrommars wrote: The Master has been hinted as being the Doctor's brother in the past.

Has he? I'm fairly sure that that is actually (a fairly common) misconception that stems from some misunderstood comments about the original concept for Pertwee's final story (Planet of the Spiders) in which, it was to be revealed, that the Master and the Doctor were aspects of the same person, this of course had to be scrapped when Roger Delgardo unfortunately died (i'd assume that this concept was later recycled in Colin Baker's era as the Valeyard).
There was also a line of the Master's in Planet of Fire (the one with Peri in the bikini) in which, when he apparently get's burnt to death by the Doctor he screams, "Would you do this to your own..." but the sentance is never finished, causing many fans to jump on the old bandwagon and presume that the last word would have been 'brother'. it of course, could have been anything (ranging from 'kind','brother','father','son' and if RTD had his way, probably 'lover').

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:13 pm

Legion wrote:it was to be revealed, that the Master and the Doctor were aspects of the same person, this of course had to be scrapped when Roger Delgardo unfortunately died.

Ah, thats where I heard it.

Them being brothers doesn't actually make sense as far as I can see anyway. We know they went to the academy together, anything else?

Changing subject... I think Martha is much better than Rose.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:23 pm

I much prefer Martha. Martha and Eccleston would have been awesome. Tennant's gurning is beginning to grate a little on me - hopefully we'll see some darker stuff from him in the next couple of episodes.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:26 pm

Tennant seems to be getting increasingly darker.

I just find Martha refreshing. And real.

And hot of course. She's very hot.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:59 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Legion wrote:it was to be revealed, that the Master and the Doctor were aspects of the same person, this of course had to be scrapped when Roger Delgardo unfortunately died.
Ah, thats where I heard it.

Them being brothers doesn't actually make sense as far as I can see anyway. We know they went to the academy together, anything else?

Quoting the Doctor from Logopolis: "In many ways, we have the same mind."

I'm going to go against the flow here, though, put my neck out and say that I reckon if not the Master, then possibly Omega. No thought process to come to this conclusion, just wanted to throw in a vague haze of doubt.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:49 pm

Rebis wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:
Legion wrote:it was to be revealed, that the Master and the Doctor were aspects of the same person, this of course had to be scrapped when Roger Delgardo unfortunately died.
Ah, thats where I heard it.

Them being brothers doesn't actually make sense as far as I can see anyway. We know they went to the academy together, anything else?
Quoting the Doctor from Logopolis: "In many ways, we have the same mind."

Ah, good quote, i'd forgotten about that.

Rebis wrote: I'm going to go against the flow here, though, put my neck out and say that I reckon if not the Master, then possibly Omega. No thought process to come to this conclusion, just wanted to throw in a vague haze of doubt.

Hmmm... how can a TimeLord not be a TimeLord?
Well, technically, The Master hadn't been a Gallifreyan since 'The Keeper of Traken' when he possessed the body of Tremas, (a Traken) and he was last seen in a human body (Bruce the Paramedic) being sucked into the Eye of Harmony, so he technically wouldn't be a Timelord any more, plus would be out of telepathic contact of the Doctor... and since the Eye of Harmony probably doesn't exist anymore, he might be on the loose (and quite pissed off).
The other possibilities include (on an outside bet) Romana, last seen in E-Space, a dimension outside of N(ormal) Space, so might have been saved from the Time War... however, that would then ignore all the books and audios with her in, as well as the article in the Annual (written by RTD himself) in which she's returned home and become President (like in the books and audios), so that's out of the window...

To be honest, i'm a bit concerned that it's got something to do with Face of Bo himself... because of the line in Confidential (i think) about his last words being explained along with who he really was, later in the series... if he turns out to be some sort of TimeLord or connected to the Doctor in some way, i'm gonna be mightily annoyed as that's a bit crap IMHO.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:49 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:I just find Martha refreshing. And real.

Yeah. The guff in the hospital on the moon... she was basically voicing what I was thinking for most of it. Expositing on her own, rather than standing about asking questions waiting for the Doctor to spell it out.

spoilerage wrote: Apparantly Mr Saxon is being played by John Simm. Who certain other rumours are claiming will be playing The Master

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:17 am

What did you guys make of the latest Dalek offering?

spoiler space wrote:
I thought it was, generally, a good episode, however I am reserving judgement on the human/dalek hybrid. although the dalek's hesitation to contaminate themselves was well done, but of course, the Emperor himself had already done something a bit similar back in the first new series when he used Human's as the basis for his rebuilt Dalek army.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:45 pm

I enjoyed the old schoolness of it all. Wasn't totally convinced by 1930s New York but am happy to see the production team stretch themselves. Not a big fan of the pig things, but it did result in at least one spooky scene down in the sewers. Always loving the Daleks (personally I don't think they're overused) and its cool to see them be so manipulative. As for the thing at the end... can't say it was a surprise (boo Radio Times) but should be interesting.

I thought we were on the brink of a Rutan cameo too. Turned out not to be.

Btw, we get the overnight audience figures here at work. Last night's BBC 3 repeat was higher than some of the Torchwood premieres.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:47 am

Yeah, Daleks are at their best when they're being manipulative, that was one of the reasons i lived the first season's 'Dalek' episode so much! I also like it when they're being chatty (like in this episode, talking about the human race and such) as opposed to rolling around frantically shouting 'exterminate'.
Actually their 'banter' with the Cybusmen in Doomsday last series was quite good too... "this is not war, this is pest control!" heck, i'm just a Dalek fan

spiderfrommars wrote:Btw, we get the overnight audience figures here at work. Last night's BBC 3 repeat was higher than some of the Torchwood premieres.

That's no great surprise to be honest, Who has a much bigger audience in general than Torchwood anyway, plus Torchwood, despite being highly anticipated met a fair bit of criticsm and it's audience did start to tail off as the series went on as people started to realise that the underlying failings of the programme weren't being addressed. I'm eager to see what changes (if any) are made to improve upon these problems in the next series.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:04 am

Bah! Missed the first 10 mins on Sat, due to the outdated info that said it was starting at 6:50! Then went and forgot to watch the repeat on Sunday! Gonna have to wait until Friday, now, to see why "one to the past, one to the future" has added "and another one to the past"! Oh well. Watched most of it, anyway.

I wonder if any fallout from this two-parter is going to be present in the season finale, as has happened in the previous seasons.

So, anyone think the Dalek-Human hybrid should be some sort of Kaled mutant, rather than Dalek, considering it's bipedal?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:08 am

Legion wrote: it's audience did start to tail off as the series went on as people started to realise that the underlying failings of the programme weren't being addressed.

I actually thought it got better as it went on tho. But the first six episodes were just so haphazard - one week great, the next embarassingly naff.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:31 pm

Rebis wrote:Gonna have to wait until Friday, now, to see why "one to the past, one to the future" has added "and another one to the past"! Oh well.

If you spot it, let us know. I saw the entire episode and didn't understand it. "Detour" apparantly...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:25 pm

They had a proper chat at the end of Gridlock. Its not an issue between them now.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:58 pm

I thought Evolution of the Daleks was the worst of series 3 so far. Not terrible, but it just felt so... busy.