England footy

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:00 am

Rubbish!

what on earth is it with England? loads of talent, sod all effect.

Bah

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:41 am

I had a choice between staying in and watching the footie, or going to t'cinema to watch The Departed.

I feel I made the right choice.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:33 am

Well, Steve Mac is just entirely **** at his job and completely inadequate for the position.

He's also a fake smiling, red faced ****.

There's also 'balance'.

Whereas a **** heading **** like Rio Ferdinand may get the benefit of the doubt playing for Utd, if he ****s up at International level it is much more likely he'll get punished.

Also, English players playing for the big 4 get a hell of a load of ref bias in their favour. Rooney goes up to a ref and calls him a ******* **** whilst Utd are roasting Blackburn and the ref will probably let him off. Again, not as likely in the National game.

I think a big problem is that you cannot play 'english football', i.e. high tempo, hard hitting, break neck speed at international level. What would be inoccuous in the Prem are often fouls in international. There are a higher amount of savvy players, ones who know how to stop you playing quickly through gamesmanship with a quick body check or tug. Plenty more 'simulation' at the top level, too. All of it slows the game right down.

For whatever reason, England players seem to lack cutting edge fitness - too many games being played probably. Now, a big criticism of England recently has been that they can take it to a top quality team and really stretch them, but that by the second half we look like we have taken the tactical decision to sit off... I think a more likely reason is that the opposition is fitter. England need to drop off, close the gaps and compress the space because they cant do the running as efficiently as their opponents.

I hear a lot of people say 'they're fit, they should be able to play x amount of games a week...

Well, they can if pushed, and that's all well and good if they're playing a team not as good as them. But when you have top class teams playing each other who both have top level athletes performing for them, the team that played less games or had the bigger rest will have the edge. And that is ******* obvious to me. If you have a strenuous calendar, yes, you can keep your players very fresh and close to cutting edge - but can you keep them 100% or as close to 100% as players playing less games then them? I have my doubts.

Oh, almost forgot - they're all overpaid, overhyped *****.

If when Andy Gray paused for breath Richard Keyes / some other **** on Sky didn't immediately take over the cock sucking wankathon that Sky are involved in with the big 4, then we wouldn't believe that players like Frank 'I'm Fat and get a load of goals against average opposition' Lampard is an absolute godsend.

John Terry maybe, not fat frank. Anyway, get Terry and Ledley fit again, tell Rio to [composite word including 'f*ck'] off, he's a ****. Then we'll have (along with Woodgate) 3 ******* crackers for CB, we might be able to head away straight forward crosses and can stop letting in sloppy goals from routine arbitrary punts into our box.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:43 am

couldmb't be arsed to watch it - i'm just glad woody didn't get injured.

Frank should be dropped like MJ's baby from a balcony. Hee hee.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:40 pm

I dont agree with Rio thing to be honest, At united he used in a different way, he carries the ball out of defence using his obvious ball skills - he only switchs off when the team is doing **** like last night.
anyhows, thats another debate.

Frank should move to the bench - its obvious now U cant have gerrard and Frank on the field at the same time in one of are basic 4-4-2's or 4-3-3 formations, u need to use somthing a bit clever then that.

Also, a question, why on earth can we not keep the ball, watch united or Arsenall they just string a 100 passes together and break in simple fashion. the other team is made to do the ball running.

When england play we run all over the pitch with 'english heart' get tired after 10 mins, then forget how to pass? how come if United and Co can do it, then why cant this translate to int games.

We seem to forget the basics and never looks like a proper team.

Speaking of team formations - chelski use Ballack and frank and essien in front of Makelelelelelele - why not use thier 4-1-1-2-12--1-1-1 thingy formation. that could get some balance.

saying that, chelski arent exactly flying this year...

Post by **snarl** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:06 pm

well, just reading your first sentance - Rio is ****. Vidic is better. Rio ****s up a load of times, too casual. Too busy thinking about world cup windups and Merking Gary Neville...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:10 pm

Vidic and Evra have become huge bonus for untied this year, last season they looked like ****, but Vidic looks brillant most games.
Rio does need to wake up, but hes still one of the best in the world.

Personally I dont rate J.Terry, i think hes to short, and Makelelele does all his defence work work for him. hes not exactly gifted on the ball...

Rio must being doing somthing right as United have the best defence in the premm... cant all be Vidic, then again Vidic even scores goals so mabe it is...

Post by **snarl** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:14 pm

Hang on, having class fullbacks, a class CB next to him and class keeper - means Rio can make all sorts of balls ups! he aint **** obviously, but he is not worthy of an England starting place IMO.

John Terry is, because the man is a ****** tower of strneght and Mr. Organisation. He's a ****** leader of men and Chelsea have floundered without him.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:36 pm

But the same can be said that JT has decent full backs, and holding mid man in front of him of amazing talent?

I dont think United miss Rio that much (even tho i dont know when hes ever out) because they have more defensive cover.

Anyhows - what about Frank and Gerrard, should we drop Frank or try a system like Chelski.

i think we should just get Scholes out of retirement, stick him and gerrard together in the middle with J.cole overlapping somehwere.

Hargreves behind them both

& finnaly Rooney in behind crouch/owen up front.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:55 pm

I think we need some really fresh faces. Most of the English players established in that team have been there for years with little competition for their places.

You need newer players like Joey Barton and Micah Richards who are hungry for success and eager to impress. They both did well in the short time they were on the pitch.

Lampard and Gerrard just doesnt work because they comprimise each others games.

We miss Owen. We do not have a proper goalscorer in his absence.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:44 pm

JT's got no right back. Carvelho < Vidic. A. Cole and Evra are both excellent.

He's miles better then Rio.

For England, I'd get rid of Steve M, he's a **** smarmy smiling ****.

After that, [composite word including 'f*ck'] knows. In some positions we have a wealth of talent, in others not enough. And also, players are coming from teams wher they play in a totally different system to what is wanted at England level.

I'd be inclined to try and do an Arsenal, whose real width comes from their fullbacks, and who have a defensive player that holds for a battery of 3 other pacey midfielders that get up and down, stuck in, beyond the forwards - everywhere - plus strikers that drift.

That seems to most naturally fit our available personell.

I'd play Carrick as the holding guy, but then who are your three other midfielders? Gerrard is one, but he dont really play a simple game often enough, he hits hollywood balls all the time - and that is key to the gooners, they retain possession. But [composite word including 'f*ck'] me, the manager must be able to instruct his players to retain the ball, and the players must be able to follow a simple instruction like that...

However, as obvious as that sounds, it doesn't always pan out that way.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:56 pm

Zombie Dave for England Manager.

"rrrrooo yvvvvvv brrrrrrnnn drppppppddd czzzz yrrr a crrrrrrnt"

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:00 pm

Brendocon wrote:I had a choice between staying in and watching the footie, or going to t'cinema to watch The Departed.

I feel I made the right choice.

I saw Pan's Labyrinth

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:00 pm

bring back scholes!

we should be sorted in the wing back area tho really - G nev does it perfectly, A,cole when fit is pretty amazing at it to - Carrick/Hargreves, Gerrard and (scholes) J Cole perhaps.

Post by **snarl** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:06 pm

I'd try Carrick, then in front of that, L to R:

J Cole/Dyer/Lennon, Gerrard, J Cole/Dyer/Lennon.

All real athletes, all technical, all pass and move type players, all goalscorers but with a high tempo to their game that means although they dont tackle like dogs of war, they put enough pressure on the opposition to force mistake and close off the space.

Way I see it, Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard are playing for the middle position... yes, I know it is ****** up that only one of them can play, but look at all international teams, it's a similar story. Quality players kept out of the team by quality players that play there position too.

Only ******* around I'd ever try is if Gerrard/dyer/J Cole or Lennon could play with Rooney as a mental completely unorthodox front two. Owen is a big game player but I think pound for pound the rest of them are technically better players.

Anyway, I'm starting to do what we do, and just try to fit all our ***** in.

"Go on, you stuff yourself into that slot."