Which is worse?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:21 pm

Considering two hornets' nests of controversial tastes have recently been stirred... I figured it was time to make them fight each other, deathmatch stylee.

Well?

Post by **snarl** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:29 pm

that was an easy vote...

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:25 pm

Yes. Easy vote.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:30 pm

Fascists! The lot of you!

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:42 pm

Though I kind of like Bon Jovi a bit too...I guess I'm guilty of both...

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:23 am

Considering I once knew all the words to the first two Spice Girls and first two Britney Spears CDs, I decided I'd best stick with Seinfeld. If you just watched the right episode, you'd gain the proper appreciation.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:09 am

I like Bon Jovi.

I hate Seinfeld.

And I'm not apologizing for either.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:07 pm

Yay! Long time no post, sadie! We missed ya.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:26 pm

Shanti418 wrote: We missed ya.

Yep.

angloconvoy · Post by **angloconvoy** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:41 pm

saysadie wrote:I like Bon Jovi.

I hate Seinfeld.

And I'm not apologizing for either.

What she said. Anyway, I`m in Japan and I think its actually against the law not to like Bon Jovi here, if any of the karaoke nights with my students are anything to go by.

Aaron Hong · Post by **Aaron Hong** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:27 pm

angloconvoy wrote: I`m in Japan and I think its actually against the law not to like Bon Jovi here, if any of the karaoke nights with my students are anything to go by.

Same thing with the 30something Malay community in Singapore.

Eline · Post by **Eline** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:03 am

I like Bon Jovi because I heard it a lot when I was yonger and it brings back good memories.

I used to hate Seinfeld without ever having watched it, but now I think it's okay.

I also like old-fashioned things such as cooking, sewing and ballet.

So there.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:20 am

Hating Seinfeld is not a crime, but a virtue.

'n them there Bon Jovi lads aint all that bad..

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:35 pm

Oh, you silly, silly people.

What would you have said 10 years ago, that the Cosby Show sucked ass but New Kids on the Block rocked?

What will you say 10 years from now, that you couldn't stand South Park, but Justin Timberlake's "Sexyback" was the bomb?

Point is:

Seinfeld : Quality American Television

Bon Jovi : Non substantive easily forgettable American pop rock.

I mean, how did YOU like it Brits, in the mid 90s, when America thought Absolutely Fabulous SUCKED but we were all buying Spice Gilrs CDs?

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:48 pm

Shanti418 wrote:
Seinfeld : Quality American Television

Yep.

Shanti418 wrote:Bon Jovi : Non substantive easily forgettable American pop rock.

Nooooo!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:58 pm

Shanti418 wrote:I mean, how did YOU like it Brits, in the mid 90s, when America thought Absolutely Fabulous SUCKED but we were all buying Spice Gilrs CDs?

Ab Fab got stale after a couple of series. Knowing when to stop = teh good thing.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:30 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Shanti418 wrote:
Seinfeld : Quality American Television
Yep.

Nope!

spiderfrommars wrote:
Shanti418 wrote:Bon Jovi : Non substantive easily forgettable American pop rock.

Nooooo!

Oh yes!

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:44 pm

Mostly in response to Shanti, numbered, for easy reference:

1. a) Ab Fab is about as forgettable as the rest of French & Saunders' "comedy" - see also Victoria Wood. It's watchable but I'd never expect it to make me laugh. However, b) I do maintain a little soft spot for the Spice Girls, probably because I once got off with Posh from a cover band

2. Seinfeld *is* quality American television. Having stayed in the US I can personally vouchsafe this to be true. By British comedy standards, however, it sucks like the proverbial ten dollar whore: Quick, signpost the funny situation well in advance! Highlight the funny situation in case they didn't quite get it yet! Pull a funny face (Kramer, Jerry), or do somethhing exaggerated (Kramer, George) to make sure they know this is the funny bit! Stick a load of slap bass over the punchline so they know when to laugh!

3. South Park is about the best television on the planet right now. I can't think of a (current) show that I like better, there's nothing else on TV (in the US or elsewhere) that even comes close. That last episode where the little boy died of cancer had me laughing so hard a bit of wee came out, and comparing South Park to Seinfeld is like comparing the Mona Lisa to the contents of my handkerchief, which - though entertaining for a minute or two - is ultimately disappointing.

4. I don't really remember the Cosby show, though I did watch it as a kid. I can't really offer an opinion on it. I'll try and get some episodes off of teh interweb and see how it plays.

5. New Kids can just **** off. My sister used to play that ****.

6. Bon Jovi (which, incidentally, I usually pronounce to rhyme with anchovy), though cheesy, did produce some great songs; as I'm having a karaoke themed party next week I fully expect to hear some of their tunes being butchered by my drunk friends. By contrast, I don't expect my drunk friends to be acting out the "funny" bits from Seinfeld. (2nd December, Sian's pub, for those London-based Transfans who fancy meeting up before I go to NZ for the winter)

7. For once in my life (and I hope this is the last time) I find myself agreeing with the boy Predabot.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:31 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:those London-based Transfans who fancy meeting up before I go to NZ for the winter

actually, i was just about to bump the london booze thread, what with xmas looming on the horizon and all...

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:37 pm

The 2nd is all I can make now, 2 weeks today I'll be on the other side of the world.

Come one, come all!

There may be karaoke

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:11 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:7. For once in my life (and I hope this is the last time) I find myself agreeing with the boy Predabot.

I can't believe it!!

I really MUST be on Bizzarro-world!!

PS: When are we gonna start work on the next transfest-mag..?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:28 pm

Predabot wrote:PS: When are we gonna start work on the next transfest-mag..?

I'm talking to the artist right now - I'll send over the art probably early January

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:13 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:
Predabot wrote:PS: When are we gonna start work on the next transfest-mag..?
I'm talking to the artist right now - I'll send over the art probably early January

You are the grandmaster-funk. Let's talk Impy into using red instead of blue as the overall colour-scheme for next issue. The UK-mag used to alternate a few colo'-schemes.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:09 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:Mostly in response to Shanti, numbered, for easy reference:

1. a) Ab Fab is about as forgettable as the rest of French & Saunders' "comedy" - see also Victoria Wood. It's watchable but I'd never expect it to make me laugh. However, b) I do maintain a little soft spot for the Spice Girls, probably because I once got off with Posh from a cover band

True enough. Still though, for every "The Office" (even though it's written differently for different audiences), there are plenty of "Neighbours" or "Fawlty Towers". Point is, we Americans have a long history of not appreciating fine British Comedy. You could ask a random American today, and if you made them talk about modern British comedy for a minute, Benny Hill would be almost guarenteed mention.

2. Seinfeld *is* quality American television. Having stayed in the US I can personally vouchsafe this to be true. By British comedy standards, however, it sucks like the proverbial ten dollar whore: Quick, signpost the funny situation well in advance! Highlight the funny situation in case they didn't quite get it yet! Pull a funny face (Kramer, Jerry), or do somethhing exaggerated (Kramer, George) to make sure they know this is the funny bit! Stick a load of slap bass over the punchline so they know when to laugh!

True enough once more. Yet at the same time "Friends" was gobbled up the world over.

3. South Park is about the best television on the planet right now. I can't think of a (current) show that I like better, there's nothing else on TV (in the US or elsewhere) that even comes close. That last episode where the little boy died of cancer had me laughing so hard a bit of wee came out, and comparing South Park to Seinfeld is like comparing the Mona Lisa to the contents of my handkerchief, which - though entertaining for a minute or two - is ultimately disappointing.

I don't think Seinfeld is deserving of SUCH contempt, especially when you say it's quality American television in the preceeding paragraph (or IS that what you're trying to say? hrmph. :P ) TBH, and I know I only brought this analogy on myself, but comedies and cartoons shouldn't even be compared. It's a lot easier to laugh at certain things (like a boy dying of cancer) when they're animated, plus you're not hemmed in by the logistics of things like casting and sets.

6. Bon Jovi (which, incidentally, I usually pronounce to rhyme with anchovy), though cheesy, did produce some great songs; as I'm having a karaoke themed party next week I fully expect to hear some of their tunes being butchered by my drunk friends. By contrast, I don't expect my drunk friends to be acting out the "funny" bits from Seinfeld. (2nd December, Sian's pub, for those London-based Transfans who fancy meeting up before I go to NZ for the winter)

Bon (joeh-vee) Jovi? Isn't it LIKE anchovy? Or is anchovy like aluminium? While sometimes sober when this occurs, my friends still make the occasional Seinfeld reference. A "yada, yada, yada," or perhaps something about shrinkage, or serenity now!, or a multitude of others.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:21 pm

I may have gone a little over the top in my dissing of Seinfeld, it's not the worst TV programme ever by a long shot, and I can see how it became popular, I just really never found anything about it amusing in the slightest, and I've had loads of people telling me how funny it is. Or was. Anyway, I'm probably just ranting, but that's what the internet is for, right?

Right?

...

Instead of bon-joe-vee I say bonjer-vee - it's not important, it just amuses me.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:32 pm

Bon Jovi = two words
Anchovy = one

Bon Jovi said like anchovy is more "bonj ovi"... it's all in the timbre...

Shanti418 wrote: True enough. Still though, for every "The Office" (even though it's written differently for different audiences), there are plenty of "Neighbours" or "Fawlty Towers".

... Neighbours?

Am I being really dim here?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:53 pm

Whoops, thought Eastenders, put down Neighbours, which was actually an australian TV show from whence sprung Kylie Minogue, Natalie Imbruglia, and Russell "Fightin' 'Round the World" Crowe. Even then, I suppose Eastenders is a drama.....

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:30 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Fascists! The lot of you!

It's like with Artie Ziff on Simpsons...

Marge: "You know why people hate you, Artie?"
Artie:" Anti-semitism?"
Marge: "No! It's because all you think about is yourself!"
Artie:"That's not true!" (thinks about lots of Arties dancing cancan and singing "Artie")

Back on topic... I once liked Bon Jovi, but then, I once liked the Gobots cartoon too. We live and learn. Seinfeld... never aired in Hungary, I'm afraid... or did I miss much?

Aaron Hong · Post by **Aaron Hong** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:13 am

BB Shockwave wrote: Marge: "No! It's because all you think about is yourself!"
Artie:"That's not true!" (thinks about lots of Arties dancing cancan and singing "Artie")

MALKOVICH MALKOVICH MALKOVICH!!

...sorry, couldn't resist.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:59 am

spiderfrommars wrote:
Shanti418 wrote: We missed ya.
Yep.

also yep.

If Preds thinks he has some editorial say in the next Transfans mag he has another thing coming

TransFans.co.uk

Which is worse?

Which is the bigger crime?