Riots/Revolution (?) in Hungary
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We even made it ito CNN-s breking news...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10 ... index.html
To sum up what happened shortly...
--The Socialist Party won the election in April by pretty much lying about the country's financial siuation, promising all sorts of benefits for the people...
-After they won, they immediatly revealed what an utter *** our financial situ. is, and started working on a serious new tax-package... this would include selling the hospitals and reducing the list of lowered-price medicament, reinstalling school fees, increasing common taxes, reducing health benefits, taxing common products, abolishing the 13. month pension, etc... (funnily most of the taxes will hurt the elderly people, who are the biggest supporter group of the Socialist Party (which is technicall the same old Communist Party with a namechange, almost all their politicans were in high positions in the Communist Party).
-Tensions rose. However, not much happened until a month ago... when the speech our current prime minister, Ferenc Gyurcsany held for his party members after the won the elections, was leaked.
In the speech Gyurcsany basically admits that they did nothing in the last 1,5 years (he seized his position with a coup against his socialist predecessor - and former patroniser - Peter Medgyessy). He used pretty vulgar words saying "We f*ck*d up. No goverment did such a boneheaded thing like we did" and "We lied day and night". For a full speech go here - be warned, it contains some pretty obscene words.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Gyu ... the_speech
-The opposition immediatly demanded the Gyurcsany step down, while the president of state said the speech was a serious blow to people believes in democracy ( yeah, like we do believe in that... ) and also demanded the PM steps down - however in Hungary the President of State is pretty much powerless. Only the majority of the parliament could dismiss Gyurcsany and as the majority are socialists, they'll never do that...
-Next day, huge protests were held against Gyurcsany everywhere in the country, including in front of the parliament. While peaceful at first, at night a smaller group went to the state TV station and demanded they aired their list of demands. When refused, they wanted to go in, and the police arrested some of them... this angered the protesters, naturally... soon enough people were throwing bricks at the cops and cars were set ablaze. Interestingly, the cops there were mostly new recruits and were left there without any reinforcements, almost as if the goverment wanted the mob to capture the building... They did, though nothing happened as the TV station was shut down.
-Many people were arrested afterwards, though thankfully no-one died or was injured badly. Next day the cops took revenge by assaulting the other peaceful protesters and beating them up...
-While the protests stayed and grew country-wise (no more riots were done, though) , the residential elections came at the end of the week. Not surprisingly, the Socialist and their LIberal partners lost everywhere major time (although in the capital city, Budapest, the liberal mayor (who runs the city since 1990) still won by 1,7%). The opposition party, the Fidesz (they are hard to describe... they started out as an ultra-liberal party and became a sort of national-conservative party while assimilating all the right and central parties on the way... but they still have many liberals among them) demanded the goverment step down, as the word of the people demanded it. They gave the president 72 hours to step down...
-Gyurcsany started a no-confidence provision against himself... well knowing that the socialists need him as they have no other well-known leaders. And he was right, he won the provision. The Fidesz got the people out on the streets but not much happened, as they sticked to make the president step down by democratic means... meaning they'll fail, as this would require majority in the parliament.
-And this brings us here, 2006.10.23. It is the 50th anniversary of our freedom fight against the Soviets, which was short lived though, but it was the first major rebellion against Soviet opression. (followed by the Chechs and Poland in 1968) The Western countries didn't intervene - it's well-known now that they agreed with the USSR that they will leave HUngary to them, but the Soviets will not intervene in the Suez Canal conflict.
-Being the 50th anniversary, country-wide rememberings are being held, with lots of people attending... and tensions are high, as the current regime are direct descendants of the Communists who quelled the freedom fight 50 years ago (executing and imprisoning thousands of people... while also thousands fled to the US and western Europe). The opposition held a separate meeting as they don't recognise Gyurcsany as PM anymore.
-Now as I write, things turned ugly again, the police used tear gas and rubber bullets against the people on the street ... whom as I heard, even manned the T-36 soviet tanks brought out for demonstrations (the Soviets used these tanks to attack us in 56). The Fidesz still sticks to the democratic ways and wants to start a referendum about the Goverment's tax package...
Whev. So that's how things are in Budapest now. I do hope no blood will be shed, but I agree that Gyurcsany has to go... however for the socialistsit'd be complete suicide for the party, so they won't let it happen... what happens now is anyone's guess..
As for me? I never go out to protests on principle, and I overslept the first big riot... Now I wanted to visit a friend today, but I'm glad I didn't as the place he lives was just overrun by angry policemen... Will see what happens and keep you briefed, if anyone is interested, at all.
Oh and I'll close my post with something a bit more lighhearted... Gyurcsany made it to Comedy Central a few weeks ago! It's a quite funny little clip. (But note - the guy shown is by NO MEANS wearing a traditional Hungarian garb... it's more like Romanian, methinks.) But it's true... it's all about the pie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X9wbsyGLgY
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10 ... index.html
To sum up what happened shortly...
--The Socialist Party won the election in April by pretty much lying about the country's financial siuation, promising all sorts of benefits for the people...
-After they won, they immediatly revealed what an utter *** our financial situ. is, and started working on a serious new tax-package... this would include selling the hospitals and reducing the list of lowered-price medicament, reinstalling school fees, increasing common taxes, reducing health benefits, taxing common products, abolishing the 13. month pension, etc... (funnily most of the taxes will hurt the elderly people, who are the biggest supporter group of the Socialist Party (which is technicall the same old Communist Party with a namechange, almost all their politicans were in high positions in the Communist Party).
-Tensions rose. However, not much happened until a month ago... when the speech our current prime minister, Ferenc Gyurcsany held for his party members after the won the elections, was leaked.
In the speech Gyurcsany basically admits that they did nothing in the last 1,5 years (he seized his position with a coup against his socialist predecessor - and former patroniser - Peter Medgyessy). He used pretty vulgar words saying "We f*ck*d up. No goverment did such a boneheaded thing like we did" and "We lied day and night". For a full speech go here - be warned, it contains some pretty obscene words.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Gyu ... the_speech
-The opposition immediatly demanded the Gyurcsany step down, while the president of state said the speech was a serious blow to people believes in democracy ( yeah, like we do believe in that... ) and also demanded the PM steps down - however in Hungary the President of State is pretty much powerless. Only the majority of the parliament could dismiss Gyurcsany and as the majority are socialists, they'll never do that...
-Next day, huge protests were held against Gyurcsany everywhere in the country, including in front of the parliament. While peaceful at first, at night a smaller group went to the state TV station and demanded they aired their list of demands. When refused, they wanted to go in, and the police arrested some of them... this angered the protesters, naturally... soon enough people were throwing bricks at the cops and cars were set ablaze. Interestingly, the cops there were mostly new recruits and were left there without any reinforcements, almost as if the goverment wanted the mob to capture the building... They did, though nothing happened as the TV station was shut down.
-Many people were arrested afterwards, though thankfully no-one died or was injured badly. Next day the cops took revenge by assaulting the other peaceful protesters and beating them up...
-While the protests stayed and grew country-wise (no more riots were done, though) , the residential elections came at the end of the week. Not surprisingly, the Socialist and their LIberal partners lost everywhere major time (although in the capital city, Budapest, the liberal mayor (who runs the city since 1990) still won by 1,7%). The opposition party, the Fidesz (they are hard to describe... they started out as an ultra-liberal party and became a sort of national-conservative party while assimilating all the right and central parties on the way... but they still have many liberals among them) demanded the goverment step down, as the word of the people demanded it. They gave the president 72 hours to step down...
-Gyurcsany started a no-confidence provision against himself... well knowing that the socialists need him as they have no other well-known leaders. And he was right, he won the provision. The Fidesz got the people out on the streets but not much happened, as they sticked to make the president step down by democratic means... meaning they'll fail, as this would require majority in the parliament.
-And this brings us here, 2006.10.23. It is the 50th anniversary of our freedom fight against the Soviets, which was short lived though, but it was the first major rebellion against Soviet opression. (followed by the Chechs and Poland in 1968) The Western countries didn't intervene - it's well-known now that they agreed with the USSR that they will leave HUngary to them, but the Soviets will not intervene in the Suez Canal conflict.
-Being the 50th anniversary, country-wide rememberings are being held, with lots of people attending... and tensions are high, as the current regime are direct descendants of the Communists who quelled the freedom fight 50 years ago (executing and imprisoning thousands of people... while also thousands fled to the US and western Europe). The opposition held a separate meeting as they don't recognise Gyurcsany as PM anymore.
-Now as I write, things turned ugly again, the police used tear gas and rubber bullets against the people on the street ... whom as I heard, even manned the T-36 soviet tanks brought out for demonstrations (the Soviets used these tanks to attack us in 56). The Fidesz still sticks to the democratic ways and wants to start a referendum about the Goverment's tax package...
Whev. So that's how things are in Budapest now. I do hope no blood will be shed, but I agree that Gyurcsany has to go... however for the socialistsit'd be complete suicide for the party, so they won't let it happen... what happens now is anyone's guess..
As for me? I never go out to protests on principle, and I overslept the first big riot... Now I wanted to visit a friend today, but I'm glad I didn't as the place he lives was just overrun by angry policemen... Will see what happens and keep you briefed, if anyone is interested, at all.
Oh and I'll close my post with something a bit more lighhearted... Gyurcsany made it to Comedy Central a few weeks ago! It's a quite funny little clip. (But note - the guy shown is by NO MEANS wearing a traditional Hungarian garb... it's more like Romanian, methinks.) But it's true... it's all about the pie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X9wbsyGLgY
"I've come to believe you are working for the enemy, Vervain. There is no other explanation... for your idiocy." (General Woundwort)
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Well apparently the police stopped the T-36 tank with a water cannon! So much about Soviet masterpieces of work! (maybe it's a T-34, I'm not sure. THings are a bit calmed down, many people went home, but the "night is young" so anything might happen.
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Thanks! Us Hungarians are like this... we are hard to anger, we can take the lies and badmouthing... but there is a point when people will say 'it's enough'. And I guess, this is it.
Still, around 30% of Hungary supports the socialists, so things will have come to a meeting of the minds, hopefully. Even the socialist party has some leaders who want to see Gyurcsany gone and want to negotiate.
At any rate, I certainly won't take my G1 Megs with me in the following days... If I had one that is.
Here you can see a video about the protestsers (below in the page):
http://index.hu/politika/belfold/elkurtuk2/?p=1
EDIT: The folks in the beginning are shouting "Elkurtad!" which refers to Gyurcsany's speech "We Screved up" (though actually 'elkurtuk' rather means the F-word).
Still, around 30% of Hungary supports the socialists, so things will have come to a meeting of the minds, hopefully. Even the socialist party has some leaders who want to see Gyurcsany gone and want to negotiate.
At any rate, I certainly won't take my G1 Megs with me in the following days... If I had one that is.
Here you can see a video about the protestsers (below in the page):
http://index.hu/politika/belfold/elkurtuk2/?p=1
EDIT: The folks in the beginning are shouting "Elkurtad!" which refers to Gyurcsany's speech "We Screved up" (though actually 'elkurtuk' rather means the F-word).
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Certainly are...Metal Vendetta wrote:Crikey, I just finished reading Tibor Fischer's Under The Frog about the revolution 50 years ago.
I hope things don't get out of hand. Looks like "interesting times" over there.
Hmm, I haven't read that book, might have to get it from the library. I would offer some good books about 56, but frankly I don't know which are translated to english... will check.
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It's a great book, I'm pretty sure most of it is pretty accurate and as there are characters called both Tibor and Fischer in it, I think it's probably semi-autobiographical. A very illuminating take on a period of history of which I knew very little. Also the Guardian ran a series of articles about the '56 revolution recently, and I found that the way events are depicted in the book was pretty much how it happened.
Just looking on the BBC news, it seems to be a lot about rubber bullets and water cannons atm.
Just looking on the BBC news, it seems to be a lot about rubber bullets and water cannons atm.
I would have waited a ******* eternity for this!!!!
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Just noticed... you were here last year, Besty? Too bad we haven't met...Best First wrote:yeah, i have been gfollowing this, strange - Budapest seemed a relaxed place when iw as theer last year.
then again, all i did was go to bars.
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About the situation, well at day things are calm. I'm sure there'll be more protests at night, though.
Gyurcsany did show up at the unravelling of the new 56 'memorablia statue' ... statue? Well, it's basically a triangle-shaped huge steel brush. So Gyurcsany did attend, but the masses were shouting so loud you couldn't even hear him ...
THis morning I heard Gyurcsany's radio interview, where he complained the mobs ruined the memory of 56... and that the people have no right to protest. Huh? I though protesting was a democratic right...
BBC did a great coverage of the riots... much better then our media, which only showed the protetsters from faar away. You must understand... while in the USA there is liberal and conservative media, here most of the communist -placed reporters/interviewers/journalists remained where they were. Thus, about 99% of the TV channels is socio-liberal (there is one conservative news channel) and about 70% of the newspapers/printed media is on their hands. Thus, they'll do everything to belittle what happened yesterday... commonly, they'll measure the amount of protesters about 75-50% less then the number of people who were actually there....
As a side thing - which I consider hardly a coincidence - I just managed to watch V for Vendetta today. What happened in that movie and what happens here... Well, at least Gyurcsany is very much like Sutler now, desperatly clinging to power. (I really liked how they updated the story with the US's war on terror and how it led to what happened in the UK... there were some serious changes to the comic version, but all in all it remained true to it. Hugo Weaving was brilliant as always... oh and I was a bit suprised to see Stephen Fry in it! )
Oh and so that you can see Gyurcsany is 'action' (he really acts like this, no kidding... always gesticulates a lot. I dunno who made this clip, but it'd be pretty funny except this nutjob is our president...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pAwXAnyR5M
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This is also pretty classic (edited CNN interview with him where he only says 'ummm' to every question...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrTn2bbF ... ed&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrTn2bbF ... ed&search=