Veronica Mars

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:12 pm

Just finished season 2. Fab, fab stuff.

It's Buffy, crossed with CSI. Less the monsters and forensic stuff.

So, not much like either, really.

Smart, witty, intelligent, drop dead fantastic. Teen school crimebusting mystery stuff. Really really good.

Will try to keep this spoiler free. Bloody shame it's not out on R2 and I had to import, but well worth it. Genuinely torn as to whether I should download season 3 as it airs or wait a year and watch it all in one go.

Would recommend it to anybody who enjoys intelligent postmoderny television and isn't pretentious enough to say "oh, it's set at a school and aimed mainly at teens, therefore it's kids stuff."

Logan Echolls is a legend.

I love Mac.

As great as season one was, I thought season 2 was even better. Least of all by managing to pull off a much more complex mystery. It's not as straight-forward a who-dunnit due to the number of possible targets. Also, balanced it with carrying on the storylines from the first season... unlike certain shows that essentially draw a line under the previous year's events. Actual continuation! Whoo.

Plus it had Charisma Carpenter skipping about with very few clothes on.

Yay.

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sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:01 am

This show kicks multiple ass. Unfortunately, I still haven't been able to finish Season 2.

Post by **Best First** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:59 am

Plus it had Charisma Carpenter skipping about with very few clothes on

sold.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:31 pm

I so knew you'd post that.

Seriously though mate, you'd likely love it. DL the first ep. Or I could... ahem... uhm... send you a CD of the first ep... ahem...

Post by **Best First** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:04 pm

Brendocon wrote:I so knew you'd post that.

yeah, it was too hard not to.

i will look into its availability - the fact Whedon likes it means i have been meaning get around to it for a while

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:17 pm

Best First wrote:
Brendocon wrote:I so knew you'd show me that that.
yeah, it was too hard not to.

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sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:43 am

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Obvious joke machine strikes again!

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:00 pm

*bump*

One of the best things about this place is that people point you towards good stuff.

And Veronica Mars is great.

I love how after 50 episodes it's still very strong character-wise and mystery-of-the-week-wise, but must confess that resolution of the second's season main arc let me down a bit as I found it too much a stretch. Whereas the solution of Lilly's murder was one of the best ideas I have seen.

THERE MAY BE SPOILERS DOWN HERE FOR CURRENT EPS.

Tomorrow the case of the Hearst's rapist is supposed to be solved. Any theories on the culprit's identity? Mercer? Moe? Piz? It's all a hoax? The feminists?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:12 pm

Yay for Veronica Mars! The writer's from my town.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:26 pm

... bizarre - I've just this minute watched last week's ep. Poor Logan - should've left her a voicemail. "Yeah... I'm stood right across from you..."

Resolution of season 1 was great... know what you mean about season 2... it sort of makes sense, but the series took too many wild turns to get there. Hard to actually sleuth it out before the last episode. Whereas Lilly's killer makes perfect sense from evidence as far back as a few episodes in.

The rapist's an odd one. It's got to be somebody we've already met, or it'll feel a let down. Not Mercer... Piz wasn't there last year... I'm inclined to say it's either the RA (the Galactica fan) or the psych professor.

My only gripe about season 3 is the almost complete lack of Mac. She's meant to be a regular, dammit.

[EDIT] Oh, and the fact that nobody's even commented on what happened to Aaron at the end of season 2... you'd think it would have been huge news, all things considered...

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:16 pm

Cassidy being behind it all was neatly explained, but I'm still surprised that 16-year old kid could arrange all that. Gotta give more credit to American youths.

Still, I wonder why Woody told his daughter not to get back to school on the bus. He couldn't have suspected anything, could he? I was quite sure he would be revealed behind it for motives which were still in the dark.

Piz might be the rapist cause I think he's the only one who wasn't suspected yet and judging by previous seasons that seems to be the way.

Mercer alibi's from Tijuana might be worthless if the rape that occured then (Nancy, the black feminist?) was a fake. BG Fan is the main suspect on VM site I read yesterday mostly because he admitted the prisoners-guards experiment was lifechanging for him.

Psych professor? The one who's banging the Dean's wife? I think they might do something with him later.

Gutted for Logan, too. And he really tries this time. Great moment when he pointed to Veronica that she wants him to change but she herself does not want to.

As for Aaron, I gather that during the summer everybody dealt with it and said "good riddance". Everybody hated him anyway.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:56 pm

Ozz wrote:Still, I wonder why Woody told his daughter not to get back to school on the bus. He couldn't have suspected anything, could he? I was quite sure he would be revealed behind it for motives which were still in the dark.

I figure it might be due to the fact that he was being blackmailed over molesting three of the students on the bus... and wanted Gia as far away from them as possible so they didn't spill the beans. Can't recall if the sound file with Beaver removed was sent before the bus crash or not... if it was, then Woody may have been trying to keep her away from the two who were threatening him.

Mercer alibi's from Tijuana might be worthless if the rape that occured then (Nancy, the black feminist?) was a fake.

But he was presenting a call-in radio show at the times of the other rapes... and was locked up when Shadowy Guy drugged Veronica.

BG Fan is the main suspect on VM site I read yesterday mostly because he admitted the prisoners-guards experiment was lifechanging for him.

There's that and the fact that he has keys to all the rooms.

Gutted for Logan, too. And he really tries this time. Great moment when he pointed to Veronica that she wants him to change but she herself does not want to.

Yeah. It's got the edge on Buffy for me in that regard - people let Summers get away with being a brat because she regularly saved their lives. On VM, people are more than willing to call her on it if she's being a self-righteous snot. See also Wallace running off in season 2. Quality stuff.

As for Aaron, I gather that during the summer everybody dealt with it and said "good riddance". Everybody hated him anyway.

Still... A List movie star is cleared of the murder of his son's girlfriend... then found shot dead in his hotel room. That's tabloid gossip gold.

I'd expected at the very least an overheard "hunt for killer still at large" news soundbyte. Still time, I guess.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:01 pm

Brendocon wrote:I figure it might be due to the fact that he was being blackmailed over molesting three of the students on the bus... and wanted Gia as far away from them as possible so they didn't spill the beans. Can't recall if the sound file with Beaver removed was sent before the bus crash or not... if it was, then Woody may have been trying to keep her away from the two who were threatening him.

Beaver sent e-mail after he found out his purchases would be of little worth after incorporation, so he wanted to force Woody to sabotage whole project.

I don't recall the other two boys trying to blackmail Woody before the crash.

Brendocon wrote:But he was presenting a call-in radio show at the times of the other rapes... and was locked up when Shadowy Guy drugged Veronica.

That one bugs me. You're a rapist who also shaves victims' heads. You don't start with shaving the girl's head in a parking lot when someone may interrupt you, you take her somewhere and then do the deed. Besides, all the other girls weren't cut during their shave (to my recall), while Veronica's shave was merely started and she bled already. Like it wasn't the same person. And Veronica wasn't drugged at the party, either.

And maybe it is possible to stage a call-in radio show. That would open a possibility for Mercer being the rapist.

I also wonder if those feminists aren't more involved in the whole case than we think, but that would really be a stretch.

Brendocon wrote:Still... A List movie star is cleared of the murder of his son's girlfriend... then found shot dead in his hotel room. That's tabloid gossip gold. I'd expected at the very least an overheard "hunt for killer still at large" news soundbyte. Still time, I guess.

Even gossip that huge might get old in three months.

Wasn't it implied that Logan refused to participate in several talk-shows?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:34 pm

There's also the fact that, upon thinking it through, the Frat Boys aren't actually in the clear. Veronica proved none of them raped Claire... but Claire made it up anyway. Doesn't prove they weren't involved in the others.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:32 pm

Double posty.

That made sense. That made lots of sense.

And top marks for the Alias-esque opening. And Mac! Oh, I've missed Mac.

Teh Good Stuff!1

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:23 am

Was away for weekend and had to wait until esterday to see it.

Resolution of the mystery was done really well.

Except they didn't outright tell why Mercer's Tijuana alibi was a hoax.

Was it mentioned at some point that Mercer too was participating in prisoner-guard experiment?
EDIT: The picture of them together in the outfits. Duh.

Logan is great, especially at the end.

But I liked the Dean, damn it.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:25 pm

Ozz wrote:Except they didn't outright tell why Mercer's Tijuana alibi was a hoax.

Yeah, that bugged me too. The Wiki entry for the ep seems to imply he was in Tijuana for rapes that the Lilith House chicks faked... not entirely sure where they got that from. I'd hope they expand on it a bit after the midseason break...

One thing that slightly worries me is that, as they normally actually leave a week plotwise between episodes, they'll leave a couple of months in the timeline. Hope not.

I genuinely hope the Lililth House girls get locked up for obstruction of justice. Taking advantage of Mercer's activities just to get the fratboys kicked out? Pretty sick.

Was it mentioned at some point that Mercer too was participating in prisoner-guard experiment?
EDIT: The picture of them together in the outfits. Duh.

I didn't actually get that they were in outfits. Damn my lo-res screen.

Guessed what it was about, though. Loved how Mor kept calling Mercer "sir"...

My sound was jumpy all the way through - did Mercer's show jump during the Chicks on Speed bit? I wasn't sure if that was Teh Clue or just dodgy encoding.

Logan is great, especially at the end.

Yeah. Not a word. So many other shows/characters would have made some speech... nah, he just stands there and it's obvious. Love it.

And the Dean was cool. Though hopefully a murder means more of Sheriff Lamb, who's always value for money.

Dammit. I have to wait far too long for this and Lost. Not fair!

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:31 pm

Brendocon wrote:Yeah, that bugged me too. The Wiki entry for the ep seems to imply he was in Tijuana for rapes that the Lilith House chicks faked... not entirely sure where they got that from.

Wiki is done by fans and that's a popular theory, so...

But it would be good if they outright said it on screen.

Brendocon wrote:One thing that slightly worries me is that, as they normally actually leave a week plotwise between episodes, they'll leave a couple of months in the timeline. Hope not.

Never noticed that. But they probably won't, cause too much would happen after Dean's death. Unless they'd go for retrospections, like in first episode of second season.

Brendocon wrote:I genuinely hope the Lililth House girls get locked up for obstruction of justice. Taking advantage of Mercer's activities just to get the fratboys kicked out? Pretty sick.

If not, they're basically on the warpath with Veronica, so I think they'll get theirs sooner or alter. They might even be responsible for killing the Dean, who knows.

Brendocon wrote:I didn't actually get that they were in outfits. Damn my lo-res screen.

I haven't noticed either, I read it later on the website.

Brendocon wrote:My sound was jumpy all the way through - did Mercer's show jump during the Chicks on Speed bit?

The tape warped, yes.

Brendocon wrote:Dammit. I have to wait far too long for this and Lost. Not fair!

Lucky for me, I don't watch Lost and have Scrubs again on. In the meantime, I might also catch up on Grey's Anatomy.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:12 am

Ozz wrote:
Brendocon wrote:One thing that slightly worries me is that, as they normally actually leave a week plotwise between episodes, they'll leave a couple of months in the timeline. Hope not.
Never noticed that. But they probably won't, cause too much would happen after Dean's death. Unless they'd go for retrospections, like in first episode of second season.

Six weeks later. Boo!

Glad they've acknowledged that the Dean shows up dead shortly after his lurve rival was given a stack of papers on how to commit the perfect murder.

And I wanted the monkey to be called Ampersand, dammit!

VM's back. BSG's back. Not long till Lost's back. Yayyyyyyyyyy.