Pedophylia Party launched in Netherlands

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:19 am

OK folks, to derive a tad from the usual religion-bashing topics, here's (as John Cleese would say), "something completely different":

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06053005.html

I'm really looking forward to how many votes they'll collect on the next election. it'll be a great evaluation about the number of perverts in the Netherlands.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:31 am

w00t!

Well, in theory, society and it's moral, ethical limits and values change, and as there seems to be some places like in Japan and Holland where there is some... drawn to this, it might just be the start of some kind of new change.

They may be perverted and weird, but I have this frightening chill that they might be more than the rest of us think...

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:04 am

Society is going don the drain...

Look back, same thing was everywhere in Rome before it's downfall. Total lack of decency...

Of course, where else would a party like that would appear then the Netherlands, where pretty much anything from prostitution to euthanasia is legal.

Wonder when they'll make murder legal.

Then I'll be moving there...

Eline · Post by **Eline** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:33 am

Everyone here is outraged about this party. I don't think they have any chance of doing a normal campaign, let alone get enough votes to get a seat in the parliament.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:10 am

If only there were some good way to justify throwing them all in jail. Isn't child porn illegal in the N-lands? If they could be connected, there'd be grounds for conviction right there.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:20 am

Yeah, the article says the majority of the nation wants to make the goverment ban this party.

I'm pretty sure child porn is illegal everywhere on the world.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:57 pm

sprunkner wrote:If only there were some good way to justify throwing them all in jail.

i'd have thought segregation and treatment was more appropriate.

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:07 pm

sprunkner wrote:If only there were some good way to justify throwing them all in jail. Isn't child porn illegal in the N-lands? If they could be connected, there'd be grounds for conviction right there.

It's illegal, most people here want to hunt those pervs down and torch 'em.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:59 pm

great attitude for dealing with the mentally ill.

for ****s sake.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:58 pm

Hey, I work with rapists and pedophiles. Mine are mentally retarded, but otherwise are capable of living normal lives, holding jobs, and having friends. It still doesn't mean I think they should be unsupervised. Most of them still perpetuate their problem behaviors, some kind of root action that fueled their offenses, ten or fifteen years after their last offense.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:53 am

For some reason, this seems like a good time to bring up Alan Moore's neweset graphic novel, Lost Girls. Thoughts from those who know about it?

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:07 am

sprunkner wrote:Hey, I work with rapists and pedophiles. Mine are mentally retarded, but otherwise are capable of living normal lives, holding jobs, and having friends. It still doesn't mean I think they should be unsupervised.

i never said anything about lack of supervision, indeed i sugegsted segragation. but that's not the same as prison as far as i most people define it.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:08 pm

Right. I should have said that I believe prison time, when it's suitably unpleasant, helps with the rehabilitation. Most of the people I work with have served prison time at one point for a serious crime, and it was a good form of negative reinforcement. The one guy with whom I work who seems most interested in truly reforming himself is the one who served the most prison time, and who will every once in a while say "I don't want to go back to prison." The one who keeps perpetuating problem behaviors to the greatest degree has never suffered any real punishment for what he has done.

I believe in segregation and treatment, surely, but there must be some initially strong negative reinforcement to initiate a change. People don't just stop being pedophiles because they're kept under supervision, given therapy and behavior plans, and have positive reinforcement used on them. There must be some strong impetus for change.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:22 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:For some reason, this seems like a good time to bring up Alan Moore's neweset graphic novel, Lost Girls. Thoughts from those who know about it?

I guess many would say I'm in the wrong if I call it bollocks, but meh.. It can be skipped. PASS.

I'll be reading Supreme instead, thank you.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:24 pm

sprunkner wrote:Right. I should have said that I believe prison time, when it's suitably unpleasant, helps with the rehabilitation. Most of the people I work with have served prison time at one point for a serious crime, and it was a good form of negative reinforcement. The one guy with whom I work who seems most interested in truly reforming himself is the one who served the most prison time, and who will every once in a while say "I don't want to go back to prison." The one who keeps perpetuating problem behaviors to the greatest degree has never suffered any real punishment for what he has done.

I believe in segregation and treatment, surely, but there must be some initially strong negative reinforcement to initiate a change. People don't just stop being pedophiles because they're kept under supervision, given therapy and behavior plans, and have positive reinforcement used on them. There must be some strong impetus for change.

ok, punishment as part of rehabilitation is something very differnt to the tabloid rhetoric that tends to fly around this topic. Which is what i was reminded of by your initial post - apologies.