Satanism

Post by **Best First** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:03 am

Yoga has some principles that are pretty hard to refute.

Whats Rumi chief?

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:34 pm

Professor Smooth wrote: I certainly can't find anything to contradict that thought. God hails Satan!

Errr, God HAILS SATAN!

But as Satan used to be God's right hand man does that mean all his idea's are just nicked from big G and in fact the Charlton Heston lookalike is the real head of satanism?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:07 am

inflatable dalek wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote: I certainly can't find anything to contradict that thought. God hails Satan!

Errr, God HAILS SATAN!
But as Satan used to be God's right hand man does that mean all his idea's are just nicked from big G and in fact the Charlton Heston lookalike is the real head of satanism?

Lucifer was God's right hand man. Depending on what "continuity" you're following, Satan may be the evolved form of Lucifer (like Galvatron) or a completely seperate being (similar to Overlord, for example).

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:56 am

Professor Smooth wrote: Satan may be the evolved form of Lucifer (like Galvatron) or a completely seperate being (similar to Overlord, for example).

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sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:36 am

Best First wrote:Yoga has some principles that are pretty hard to refute.

Whats Rumi chief?

The first "whirling dervish." Sufi (Muslim Shiite mystic) who was very close, possibly lovers, with a controversial teacher named Shams Tabriz. Shams claimed to be the reincarnation of Mohammed. Shams was killed, possibly by Rumi's son. So Rumi started spinning in circles and saying profound stuff to alleviate his grief and his wonder at the cruelty possible in the world.

man-with-the-dogs · Post by **man-with-the-dogs** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:42 am

If you want my opinion...[composite word including 'f*ck'] religion alltogether. Anybody who tells you they have all the ansewers is full of **** either way. Aethieism and Satanistism lead to the same dead-end roads as Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion you'd like to name. I'm not trying to bash anybody personally, but that's just my opinion. [composite word including 'f*ck'] religion. I've read about Anton Levey, and I can say he has given no better ansewers than anybody else. All religions make me want to throw up. All religions make me sick. They all think they have the ansewers. They don't even know what the question is.

man-with-the-dogs · Post by **man-with-the-dogs** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:42 am

Sorry for the double post.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:25 am

man-with-the-dogs wrote:If you want my opinion...**** religion alltogether. Anybody who tells you they have all the ansewers is full of **** either way. Aethieism and Satanistism lead to the same dead-end roads as Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion you'd like to name. I'm not trying to bash anybody personally, but that's just my opinion. **** religion. I've read about Anton Levey, and I can say he has given no better ansewers than anybody else. All religions make me want to throw up. All religions make me sick. They all think they have the ansewers. They don't even know what the question is.

2 things spring to mind;

1) i think the question is generally accepted as being 'why are we here'
2) Athisem doesn't claim to have answers does it? Not that i am aware of.

what lead you to that chap Sprunk, if you don't mind me asking?

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:38 am

Best First wrote: 2) Athisem doesn't claim to have answers does it? Not that i am aware of.

Same, and I've been such for at least 3 years...

I don't hate religion. I hate idiot wankers who do ****** up things in the name of religion, though.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:04 pm

So, why is this all called satanism? Way I see, it has very little to do with ol' Lucifer. Egoism, should be a better way to describe it. Or , "live the way you want".

I bet the 'real' satanists are not really in the stuff for these 9 commandments but rather for the black mass and the sacrifices.

Personally I follow the doctrines of Primus. May he save us from the fiery maws of Unicron (thrice-accursed be the name of the Chaosbringer).

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:36 pm

I worship Sutekh.

Stormwolf · Post by **Stormwolf** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:07 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
inflatable dalek wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote: I certainly can't find anything to contradict that thought. God hails Satan!

Errr, God HAILS SATAN!
But as Satan used to be God's right hand man does that mean all his idea's are just nicked from big G and in fact the Charlton Heston lookalike is the real head of satanism?
Lucifer was God's right hand man. Depending on what "continuity" you're following, Satan may be the evolved form of Lucifer (like Galvatron) or a completely seperate being (similar to Overlord, for example).

The bible continuities are all sorts of messed up, one of the worst is where they tried to retcon dinosaurs into Noah's Ark.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:11 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:So, why is this all called satanism? Way I see, it has very little to do with ol' Lucifer. Egoism, should be a better way to describe it. Or , "live the way you want".

I bet the 'real' satanists are not really in the stuff for these 9 commandments but rather for the black mass and the sacrifices.

Personally I follow the doctrines of Primus. May he save us from the fiery maws of Unicron (thrice-accursed be the name of the Chaosbringer).

There are no sacrifices made in Satanism. LaVey suggests tha sacrifice can be replaced by something else entirely.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:28 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
BB Shockwave wrote:So, why is this all called satanism? Way I see, it has very little to do with ol' Lucifer. Egoism, should be a better way to describe it. Or , "live the way you want".

I bet the 'real' satanists are not really in the stuff for these 9 commandments but rather for the black mass and the sacrifices.

Personally I follow the doctrines of Primus. May he save us from the fiery maws of Unicron (thrice-accursed be the name of the Chaosbringer).
There are no sacrifices made in Satanism. LaVey suggests tha sacrifice can be replaced by something else entirely.

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man-with-the-dogs · Post by **man-with-the-dogs** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:24 am

Best First wrote:
man-with-the-dogs wrote:If you want my opinion...**** religion alltogether. Anybody who tells you they have all the ansewers is full of **** either way. Aethieism and Satanistism lead to the same dead-end roads as Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion you'd like to name. I'm not trying to bash anybody personally, but that's just my opinion. **** religion. I've read about Anton Levey, and I can say he has given no better ansewers than anybody else. All religions make me want to throw up. All religions make me sick. They all think they have the ansewers. They don't even know what the question is.
2 things spring to mind;

1) i think the question is generally accepted as being 'why are we here'
2) Athisem doesn't claim to have answers does it? Not that i am aware of.

what lead you to that chap Sprunk, if you don't mind me asking?

Uh-huh. Atheism claims that there is no God. Therefore, it is claiming to know more than I can imagine any human knowing for sure. Do you think telling people how to run thier lives helps ansewer the question of our existance? I'm not sure what "chap sprunk" means, but I still think I am entitled to an opinion.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:54 am

Karl Lynch wrote:
An Amazon.com book token?

Wanking.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:26 am

man-with-the-dogs wrote:
Uh-huh. Atheism claims that there is no God. Therefore, it is claiming to know more than I can imagine any human knowing for sure. Do you think telling people how to run thier lives helps ansewer the question of our existance? I'm not sure what "chap sprunk" means, but I still think I am entitled to an opinion.

i'm not sure how someone disgreeing with you or questioning what you say robs you of the right to an opinion?

I agree that Athiesm is, in some ways, an equally arrogant position in that it assumes knowledge it cannot have, however i guess that depends on how broadly you define it, whther you are athiest in terms of established religions (for which iw ould say there are quite a lot of rationl lines of thouh that discredit them) or just in terms of anything beyond humanity (which obvioulsy, as you state, we are unable to gauge). regardless athiesm doesn't tell people how to live, which was your original statement.

As for telling people how to run their lives and how it relates to understanding existence, again i don't think it is that simple, for example if you have empathy for other human beings, which i guess you do, then you can see where the commandment 'though shalt not kill' has an application which can relate to a respect for life which, perhaps especially for the non religious, may be where people do find some sort of meaning. Conversely of coure there is judgemental nonsense about what consenting adults do that clearly has less benevolent origins, although it may still help people fidn purpose, even if its in what i would consider a fairly halthy way.

But at the end of the day you can't really come to any conclusions about existence without also coming to conclusions about what might be some good ways to conduct yourself can you? Of course suggestions for living and trying to beat your morality into others are two different things.

oh,. and "chap Sprunk" means, i am asking Sprunker how he came to find out as that Rumi chap.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:35 am

Professor Smooth wrote:
Karl Lynch wrote:
An Amazon.com book token?
Wanking.

I liked my answer better

Snakeguru · Post by **Snakeguru** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:43 pm

I read about Satanism out of curiosity a while back and was surprised at how different it was from what some people had told me. I've also been curious about WICCAN teachings and it still has a bad rep in many circles as well.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:12 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:I worship Sutekh.

"Do you like him? I call him Niel. Niel before Sutekh!!!".

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:56 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:I worship Sutekh.
"Do you like him? I call him Niel. Niel before Sutekh!!!".

He's always doing that...

Not sure where else to put this, so I'll put it here. Saw a great episode of The West Wing the other day, with a simply blistering scene:

BARTLET: Forgive me, Dr. Jacobs. Are you an M.D.?
JACOBS: A Ph.D.
BARTLET: A Ph.D.
JACOBS: Yes, sir.
BARTLET: In psychology?
JACOBS: No, sir.
BARTLET: Theology?
JACOBS: No.
BARTLET: Social work?
JACOBS: I have a Ph.D. in English Literature.
BARTLET: I’m asking ‘cause on your show people call in for advice – and you go by the name Dr. Jacobs on your show – and I didn’t know if maybe your listeners were confused by that and assumed you had advanced training in psychology, theology or health care.
JACOBS: I don’t believe they are confused, no, sir.
BARTLET: I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an “abomination!”
JACOBS: I don’t say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does.
BARTLET: Yes it does. Leviticus!
JACOBS: 18:22.
BARTLET: Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I wanted to sell my youngest daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown Sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?
(Bartlet only waits a second for a response, then plunges on.)
BARTLET: While thinking about that, can I ask another? My chief of staff, Leo McGary, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? Or is it okay to call the police?
(Bartlet barely pauses to take a breath.)
BARTLET: Here’s one that’s really important, because we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you?
(The camera pushes in on the president.)
One last thing. While you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building when the president stands, nobody sits.
(Jacobs sees that, in fact, the president is standing and she is the only one in the room sitting. After a moment, she rises, holding her tiny plate of appetizers. After the president exits, Sam Seaborn sternly approaches a thoroughly belittled Jacobs.)
SAM: I’m just … going to take that crab puff.
(Sam snatches Dr. Jacob’s crab puff, then hurries after the president.)

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:09 pm

outstanding.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:27 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
inflatable dalek wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:I worship Sutekh.
"Do you like him? I call him Niel. Niel before Sutekh!!!".
He's always doing that...

Not sure where else to put this, so I'll put it here. Saw a great episode of The West Wing the other day, with a simply blistering scene:

BARTLET: Forgive me, Dr. Jacobs. Are you an M.D.?
JACOBS: A Ph.D.
BARTLET: A Ph.D.
JACOBS: Yes, sir.
BARTLET: In psychology?
JACOBS: No, sir.
BARTLET: Theology?
JACOBS: No.
BARTLET: Social work?
JACOBS: I have a Ph.D. in English Literature.
BARTLET: I’m asking ‘cause on your show people call in for advice – and you go by the name Dr. Jacobs on your show – and I didn’t know if maybe your listeners were confused by that and assumed you had advanced training in psychology, theology or health care.
JACOBS: I don’t believe they are confused, no, sir.
BARTLET: I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an “abomination!”
JACOBS: I don’t say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does.
BARTLET: Yes it does. Leviticus!
JACOBS: 18:22.
BARTLET: Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I wanted to sell my youngest daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown Sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?
(Bartlet only waits a second for a response, then plunges on.)
BARTLET: While thinking about that, can I ask another? My chief of staff, Leo McGary, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? Or is it okay to call the police?
(Bartlet barely pauses to take a breath.)
BARTLET: Here’s one that’s really important, because we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you?
(The camera pushes in on the president.)
One last thing. While you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building when the president stands, nobody sits.
(Jacobs sees that, in fact, the president is standing and she is the only one in the room sitting. After a moment, she rises, holding her tiny plate of appetizers. After the president exits, Sam Seaborn sternly approaches a thoroughly belittled Jacobs.)
SAM: I’m just … going to take that crab puff.
(Sam snatches Dr. Jacob’s crab puff, then hurries after the president.)

Like the 10th time I read the same situation but with different people.

Being a satanist now might be more a fad than anything else or a way to be noticed, just like the 8 or so books that came after the Davinci code wanting to draw attention of the success of that book.

Its also more "against the establishment" a religion with Satan (as an idea, person or metaconstruction) than simply adressing the issues as a personal doctrine (like Impactor does) because it sells more. If not look as how many of us keep posting in these topics time and time again.

Ill start a religion called Hitlerianism, this one will only speak about tolerance and freedom for everyone no matter the gender, creed or race. Oh! and it doesnt have anything to do with Hitler, thats another guy! this is just an idea.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:10 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:
Ill start a religion called Hitlerianism, this one will only speak about tolerance and freedom for everyone no matter the gender, creed or race. Oh! and it doesnt have anything to do with Hitler, thats another guy! this is just an idea.

Same basic concept. Though Hitler was a real person who was responsible for really horrific acts. Satan is a fictional character (despite what believers of a certain monotheistic religion and right-wing government might have you believe). You might be more apt to call a religion Kruegerism or Whoism instead.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:15 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
The Last Autobot wrote:
Ill start a religion called Hitlerianism, this one will only speak about tolerance and freedom for everyone no matter the gender, creed or race. Oh! and it doesnt have anything to do with Hitler, thats another guy! this is just an idea.
Same basic concept. Though Hitler was a real person who was responsible for really horrific acts. Satan is a fictional character (despite what believers of a certain monotheistic religion and right-wing government might have you believe). You might be more apt to call a religion Kruegerism or Whoism instead.

Real or fictional, Satan and Hitler bring to us a set of ideas, feelings and attributions about something or a way of being or living a life. So if you call yourself a "satanist" you carry with you all the assumptions that people have about the "character" (like the Uncle Sam example). So if you use a name you end related to all the things behind.

If you are certain of the fictional status of Satan, I dont get why this topic exists unless is just another joke or self imposed trick.

Maybe you should call your religion Smoothisism.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:45 pm

The Last Autobot wrote: Real or fictional, Satan and Hitler bring to us a set of ideas, feelings and attributions about something or a way of being or living a life. So if you call yourself a "satanist" you carry with you all the assumptions that people have about the "character" (like the Uncle Sam example).

If you are certain of the fictional status of Satan, I dont get why this topic exists unless is just another joke or self imposed trick.

Maybe you should call your religion Smoothisism.

You're right. I would have to be an idiot to think that I could tell people I'm a Satanist without certain questions immediately coming up. Most often those questions are "Do you worship the devil?" "Are you evil?" and "Do you sacrifice animals?" Those questions are natural considering the Christian definition of Satan (which is more evil and well known than the Jewish character or even the Catholic version). Satanists, like myself, do not believe that Satan is anything more than a fictional character who represents traits that we find to help us in our everyday lives.

Smoothisism...I kind of like that...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:11 pm

Surely the correct spelling, for a religion, would be Smootheism?

Less of a mouthful, at any rate.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:27 pm

Rebis wrote:Surely the correct spelling, for a religion, would be Smootheism?

Less of a mouthful, at any rate.

Brilliant!!!

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:36 am

Professor Smooth wrote:
You're right. I would have to be an idiot to think that I could tell people I'm a Satanist without certain questions immediately coming up. Most often those questions are "Do you worship the devil?" "Are you evil?" and "Do you sacrifice animals?" Those questions are natural considering the Christian definition of Satan (which is more evil and well known than the Jewish character or even the Catholic version). Satanists, like myself, do not believe that Satan is anything more than a fictional character who represents traits that we find to help us in our everyday lives.

Smoothisism...I kind of like that...

Well if you follow the jewish traditions Satan or Samael is just an angel. Who, as all the others, is a servant of Javeh . In his case he has the task of tempting people in choosing, so humans have free will and right to pick the wrong path (Ietzer HaRá) or remain in the right one (Ietzer HaTov).

So If you are a Satanist in a "jew sense" you ultimately worship Javeh.

The catholics have somewhat increased Satan rank in a way that could equal politheism.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:24 am

The Last Autobot wrote:
So If you are a Satanist in a "jew sense" you ultimately worship Javeh.

I'm a Satanist in the Satanic sense. I worship nobody except myself.

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