Cyber-Man!

Post by **Best First** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:42 pm

Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:Doesn't Torchwood get mentioned at every available opportunity?
True, but on a parallel Earth?

Did a certain Time Manager prevent the Emperor of Great Britain from falling foul to a Vampire a hundred odd years earlier, or something, then?

i don't see why not.

Scraplet · Post by **Scraplet** » Sun May 14, 2006 9:39 pm

Best First wrote:
Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:Doesn't Torchwood get mentioned at every available opportunity?
True, but on a parallel Earth?

Did a certain Time Manager prevent the Emperor of Great Britain from falling foul to a Vampire a hundred odd years earlier, or something, then?

i don't see why not.

A parallel universe that is quite similar must have had, mainly, the same experiences. So its more than likely that he did - or a virtually exact parallel Doctor did!

This could end up like one of those Galvatron discussions, couldn't it? They always make my brain hurt

Post by **Kaylee** » Sun May 14, 2006 10:10 pm

Am I the only person praying to all major religions simultaneously that Rose's 'muvva' gets converted in the most gruesome way possible? Rose can be added to that list if I have to endure another minute of her family on screen... I wouldn't mind if I felt it were going anywhere new, but I do get tired of Jackie's endless (and repetitive...) appearances. Next to Cassandra she has to be one of the most single dimensional characters in the series, yet is given massively over-generous screen time which I'd rather see devoted to other characters {cough}MICKEY!!{cough}

Honestly, it's taken about 15x 45 minutes episodes to give the guy anything beyond 'cowardly boyfriend who sometimes tags along on Earth-bound adventures'.

Speaking of which, any chance of that time-and-space ship actually going to another planet anytime soon? Space stations and a carbon-copy of the Earth don't really cut the mustard... it's not the same unless it's in a quarry...

Anyway, Jackie-hating aside, very enjoyable episode. John Lumic, whilst being a bit of a two dimensional megalomaniac/God wannabe, was fiercedly watchable. Mainly because he looked like Trigger but sounded like Christopher Lee. The Cybermen were excellent, although their hob-nailed boots did look a bit Viz/Beano.

What's the betting though that the cliffhanger will be resolved in true Doctor Who fashion with something like "Oh, change in orders..." / "This is John Lumic: I want them ALIVE!" / "Go to your room!" etc.?

The cliffhangers have always seemed to be set up to be resolved in the most suprisingly trivial ways possible... i.e. episode ends with the Doctor hanging over a cliff! Ah, noes!! Next episode starts with... him clambering back up again.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sun May 14, 2006 11:40 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:The cliffhangers have always seemed to be set up to be resolved in the most suprisingly trivial ways possible... i.e. episode ends with the Doctor hanging over a cliff! Ah, noes!! Next episode starts with... him clambering back up again.

I don't see the reason to break a tradition that has worked for 30 odd years or so!

Do you??

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:54 am

Predabot wrote:
Karl Lynch wrote:The cliffhangers have always seemed to be set up to be resolved in the most suprisingly trivial ways possible... i.e. episode ends with the Doctor hanging over a cliff! Ah, noes!! Next episode starts with... him clambering back up again.
I don't see the reason to break a tradition that has worked for 30 odd years or so! Do you??

...Didn't really add much to what I said, did you?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:22 am

To add my 2p's worth:

If this is a parallel universe, but one where Rose is never born, wouldn't that suggest that this universe's Doctor falied to defeat the reconstituted Daleks in the future? And since the Queen Victoria thing wouldn't happen because chronologically (from the Doctor's POV) it happens after he faces off against the Daleks (and presumably loses, with no super-powered Rose to help him) then Torchwood wouldn't exist. Or maybe it's one of those parallel universe thingies, like Torchwood has a different origin but is still essentially the same institution...

...bah, head beginning to hurt now...

...but the point remains that without Rose, the Doctor would be dead and this universe should be knee-deep in Daleks, right?

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Karl Lynch wrote:Am I the only person praying to all major religions simultaneously that Rose's 'muvva' gets converted in the most gruesome way possible?

No, you're not. I'd happily feed her into the Cybermachine myself.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:58 am

I would've thought there wouldn't be a parallel Doctor as he is a Time Lord.

Torchwood didn't get mentioned in The Girl In The Fireplace (my fave season 2 episode so far).

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Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:53 am

spiderfrommars wrote:I would've thought there wouldn't be a parallel Doctor as he is a Time Lord.

He moves in time, sure, but he doesn't cross dimensions...his Tardis is definitely from *our* universe, and if this is a proper parallel universe I would have thought that there would be a Doctor there too. If there wasn't, wouldn't the Sontarans or someone have taken over the Earth by now?

Post by **Best First** » Mon May 15, 2006 12:28 pm

anyway, far more importantly than this stuf, who would win in a fight between Daleks and Cybermen, eh?

Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!

Delete! Delete! Delete! Delete!

so far i think the Daleks are winning on catchphrases...

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon May 15, 2006 12:48 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:Or maybe it's one of those parallel universe thingies, like Torchwood has a different origin but is still essentially the same institution...

"The story changes but the end remains the same"
--an apparent motto of the (now former) Celestial Intervention Agency...

Metal Vendetta wrote: He moves in time, sure, but he doesn't cross dimensions...his Tardis is definitely from *our* universe

Judging by the lack of a time Vortex in this parallel universe, it is possible that either the Rasillon never created the Eye of Harmony and therefore the web of time or he did and there was a TimeWar in that universe that was even more disasterous than in ours, resulting in the destruction of said vortex...

Best First wrote: so far i think the Daleks are winning on catchphrases...

poor old Cybes... there never were strong in the catchphrase department... what with "You will be like us","resistance is futile","we will survive" (pretty much all ripped off by the Borg in more recent years) and "excellent!" (:() they were in a weak position to start off with...

Post by **Best First** » Mon May 15, 2006 1:15 pm

resistence is futile is alreet, but its def Borg.

what are the best Cybermen stories? I watch confidential and most look pretty good although i may just hav ebeen overwhelmed by the power of montage.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 15, 2006 1:44 pm

Legion wrote: "You will be like us"

Thought they could have made more of that instead of "Delete" mainly cause its a blimin' scary thing to say!

Best First wrote:
what are the best Cybermen stories? I watch confidential and most look pretty good although i may just hav ebeen overwhelmed by the power of montage.

'Tomb of the Cybermen'
'Earthshock'
And there's a fun appearance in 'The Five Doctors'

Sadly a lot of 60s Cybermen episodes are lost.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:22 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:
Legion wrote: "You will be like us"
Thought they could have made more of that instead of "Delete" mainly cause its a blimin' scary thing to say!

definitely!

spiderfrommars wrote:
Best First wrote:
what are the best Cybermen stories? I watch confidential and most look pretty good although i may just hav ebeen overwhelmed by the power of montage.
'Tomb of the Cybermen'
'Earthshock'
And there's a fun appearance in 'The Five Doctors'

Yeah, i'd say those are probably the best Cyber stories.
I never saw "Attack" first time round, and when i got around to watching it on UKGold, i was so hoping it was going to kick arse (what with Lytton returning, Mondas and the events of Tenth Planet, not to mention Cybermen in the sewers like Invasion)... unfortunately a piss poor script let it down miserably. It's only saving grace is Peri bouncing down the road in that pink leotard...
Silver Nemesis, fairly good basic concept, crap everything else really...
Revenge of the Cybermen... ouch, that was real budget saving story wasn't it?

spiderfrommars wrote:Sadly a lot of 60s Cybermen episodes are lost.

Yeah, i wish Tenth Planet and Moonbase were complete!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:31 pm

Best First wrote:resistence is futile is alreet, but its def Borg.

Wasn't the Cybermen's phrase "resistance is useless"?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:48 pm

Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:resistence is futile is alreet, but its def Borg.
Wasn't the Cybermen's phrase "resistance is useless"?

yes, you're absolutely right!

see what i mean, even people like me get it arse about tit, imagine the non/new Who fans reaction to it

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon May 15, 2006 3:09 pm

Galvy used to say "Resistance is futile!" back in the glory days.

Post by **Best First** » Mon May 15, 2006 4:04 pm

I think Galvy gets the credit on the basis he could quite happily wipe the Daleks and the Cybermen from the face of the universe.

"I beat them all"

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon May 15, 2006 4:06 pm

Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:resistence is futile is alreet, but its def Borg.
Wasn't the Cybermen's phrase "resistance is useless"?

I thought that was the Vogons

"Resistance is futile" is a great catchphrase as long as it's done in an English accent - meaning it should be pronounced "PHEW-TILE" and not the Americanised "footle" you get on Star Trek from those Borg who weren't Shakespearian actors in a former life.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon May 15, 2006 5:02 pm

Best First wrote:I think Galvy gets the credit on the basis he could quite happily wipe the Daleks and the Cybermen from the face of the universe.

"I beat them all"

Ahhh, but what if the Cybermen deployed their "Megatron" bombs against him, hmmm?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:22 pm

Legion wrote:
Best First wrote:I think Galvy gets the credit on the basis he could quite happily wipe the Daleks and the Cybermen from the face of the universe.

"I beat them all"

Ahhh, but what if the Cybermen deployed their "Megatron" bombs against him, hmmm?

Wouldn't he be the only thing in the universe that was 100% guaranteed immune to such a weapon?

John Lumic: "Skin of metal, and a body that will never age!"

Emirate Xaaron: "Let me hear you say that when you get to my age!"

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:05 pm

The Cybermen hace lots of great catchphrases:

Maximun Power! [Best done with a clenched fist for full effect]
A-HA! I have found the ones from the Tardis!
Excellent!
Stupid Earth brains!
So Doctor, you have regenerated!
Promises to Aliens have no validity!

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:51 am

Rebis wrote:
John Lumic: "Skin of metal, and a body that will never age!"

i thought metal was hottiply fragile and splintered and cracked at all times anyway? thats what Dreamwave taught me.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:35 pm

Lumic: "FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!"

Sorry, couldn't help it, been lurking at OG...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:45 pm

Legion wrote:Lumic: "FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!"

Terribly OTT wasn't it?

Was I the only one that thought the split second 'horned demon' on the console in the latest ep was a bit comical?

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:14 pm

i missed the second Cyberman ep and most of the last one.

Watched caves of Androzani (or whatever) to make up for it. Cheers Dave.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:19 pm

Didya like it?

Androzani and the new Cybermen episodes are by the same director.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:55 pm

I really liked the Impossible planet, though it seems very Event Horizon/Aliens inspired - the preview of next ep with all the crawling around in vent shafts even more so...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:59 pm

The thing with sci-fi stuff like Event Horizon, Sphere, Mission to Mars.... there's all this early promise and the ending NEVER delivers when they meet the all powerful thingeymajig.

For some reason I think next week's episode will really deliver tho.

The CGI in that cave was blimin' fantastic.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:20 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Didya like it?

Androzani and the new Cybermen episodes are by the same director.

yeah - it was intereesting to watch Davison and compare notes to the more modern Doctors, plus i liked how layered the plot was, although it seems a bit cheap in some ways that

SPOILERS

everyone dies at the end, in some ways the tone would have been darker if someone had profitted or been left to pick up the pieces. The Lava beast was a big waste of time as well. On the other hand the regeneration was excellent (nice Master cameo) as was the dark edge they applied to it with Baker essentially seeming to reject his former incarnation with his opening lines and the ominous 'feels different this time' comment from Davison as he passed. Made me want to watch the next one.

Just got Pyramids of mars to go now.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:02 pm

Coolio.

Tennant reminds me of Davison a bit, must be his boyish enthusiasm!

The Magma beast was cack.

The Pyramids vid I sent you is unfortunately in omnibus format, so without the cliffhanger/tea breaks you might find the pacing a bit off.