Quit smoking again... it's odd, though.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:16 pm

Then smokers are better people than not smokers?

Go figure!

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:59 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:Then smokers are better people than not smokers?

I don't recall anyone saying that...

I caved yesterday, anyway. And I was so ******* pissed off at myself.

But I'm going to try agaaaain... try, try again, all that.

I've gone cold turkey every time I quit [har-took a vacation from, more like I guess], actually. I just don't remember it ever being this difficult.

And Preds, I really don't need a story on how you're a shining bastion of morality.

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:08 pm

saysadie wrote:
And Preds, I really don't need a story on how you're a shining bastion of morality.

Considering that this is the guy who recently admitted he hadn't showered in 3 weeks, I very much doubt there's anything shiny about him. Well, his hair may have that lovely oily sheen to it, but that's pushing it a bit.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:15 pm

saysadie wrote:
The Last Autobot wrote:Then smokers are better people than not smokers?
I don't recall anyone saying that...

The best people I know smoke
I caved yesterday, anyway. And I was so ******* pissed off at myself. But I'm going to try agaaaain... try, try again, all that.

I've gone cold turkey every time I quit [har-took a vacation from, more like I guess], actually. I just don't remember it ever being this difficult.

And Preds, I really don't need a story on how you're a shining bastion of morality.

And speaking of your problem, usually these kind of addictions are linked to certain behaviour patterns o can be increased by them. So as stated before try other places and if you cant -or is not the case- tell the people you hang on with what you are experiencing so there wont be cigarette temptation, so to speak. The rest is mainly how strong willed you are.

Considering that this is the guy who recently admitted he hadn't showered in 3 weeks, I very much doubt there's anything shiny about him. Well, his hair may have that lovely oily sheen to it, but that's pushing it a bit.

Mmm. I wonder if that was necessary?

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:20 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:tell the people you hang on with what you are experiencing so there wont be cigarette temptation.

Haaa ha ha ha ha.

I've already told the apartment [my "roomies"] I was thinking about quitting, and their reaction was like "Riiiiight. Sure."

Yesterday my brother offered me a cigarette as a joke. He'd just laugh if he knew I caved unless I bit his head off for it... not that I think it's overly horrible or anything, I just happen to know a lot of assholes.

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:29 am

The Last Autobot wrote:Then smokers are better people than not smokers?

As a general statement applying to the world in general? Haven't a clue. It's rather hard to get to know that many billions of people on a close personal level.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:27 am

On a side note I'd just like to thank you guys for being supportive, giving advice and whatnot. It's what I was hoping for as, well... I think I've mentioned my lack of any real supportage 'round here. [Which isn't a whinge as I don't see it as a bad thing... it's just the way things are, we're more comfortable with sarcasm.]

Haven't caved again, don't really feel the urge to. All's well and good, here's hoping I can make it through tomorrow evening.

Eline · Post by **Eline** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:24 am

That's really good!

I hope it will get easier after a few non-smoking days.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:23 am

Glad to hear that, sadie, and all the best for this for the weekend.
You're doing something I'm not sure I could do at the moment!

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:02 am

Denyer wrote:As a general statement applying to the world in general? Haven't a clue. It's rather hard to get to know that many billions of people on a close personal level.

tsk... some people just don't try...

saysadie wrote:Haven't caved again, don't really feel the urge to. All's well and good, here's hoping I can make it through tomorrow evening.

come on sadie, if anyone can do it you can, i'm sure!

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:23 pm

Well, best of luck Sadie.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:48 pm

stay out of pubs! - they are the hardest thing to conqure IMO if you like a smoke with your beer.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:58 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:stay out of pubs! - they are the hardest thing to conqure IMO if you like a smoke with your beer.

not for much longer!

Post by **Best First** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:26 pm

thank god.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:04 pm

Yeah, I heard that there is a legislation-proposal to ban all smoking in most clubs, bars and various enclosed public areas.

And if I'm not entirely crazy, according to this there's not going to be any private clubs exempted anymore even.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News ... 43,00.html

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:49 pm

which, in my opinion, is something of an infringement of my rights. it's not like cigarettes are illegal... i reckon they should also ban people using mobile phones when sitting next to someone else, because of the microwave radiation danger...

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:28 pm

In a situation where pub owners are the only ones tending bars, that's fair enough -- but employers can't require staff to work in an environment hazardous to their health simply by presence, without recognised protection. Whilst it would be fun to see bar staff in gas masks, I doubt many pubs would go for it.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:14 pm

heheh... true!
however some of the bar staff out my way have to wear far more than just gas masks for protection!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:19 pm

Would we be talking about NBC or EVA suits, here?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:24 pm

I think it should be illegal - its a highly adictive substance, more addictive then Heroin and it kills you or ruins your quality of life.

You only argue about your human rights because your an addict.

If say Heroin were Legal, and you were an addict im sure you would argue a similar case. really it shouldnt have been made available to you in the first place.

"please pay me £5 a week for cance, lower quality of life smelly clothes, bad breath, yellow skin" - ? **** deal.

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:35 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I think it should be illegal - its a highly adictive substance, more addictive then Heroin and it kills you or ruins your quality of life.

You only argue about your human rights because your an addict.

If say Heroin were Legal, and you were an addict im sure you would argue a similar case. really it shouldnt have been made available to you in the first place.

"please pay me £5 a week for cance, lower quality of life smelly clothes, bad breath, yellow skin" - ? **** deal.

Are you for making alcohol illegal as well, then? Just curious.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:51 pm

Pissin' Poonani wrote:Are you for making alcohol illegal as well, then? Just curious.

There's a slight difference between a chemical that may cause physiological damge if ever ingested, and a chemical that will cause physiological damage if ingested in extreme amounts.

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:22 pm

Rebis wrote:
Pissin' Poonani wrote:Are you for making alcohol illegal as well, then? Just curious.
There's a slight difference between a chemical that may cause physiological damge if ever ingested, and a chemical that will cause physiological damage if ingested in extreme amounts.

Sorry mate-you've lost me (come on-we've had enough conversations for you to know that I basically need to be sat down and talked. to. slowly.

)

Are you saying that one could potentially hurt you, and the other will if you take loads of it?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:56 pm

Pissin' Poonani wrote:
Rebis wrote:
Pissin' Poonani wrote:Are you for making alcohol illegal as well, then? Just curious.
There's a slight difference between a chemical that may cause physiological damge if ever ingested, and a chemical that will cause physiological damage if ingested in extreme amounts.
Sorry mate-you've lost me (come on-we've had enough conversations for you to know that I basically need to be sat down and talked. to. slowly. )

Are you saying that one could potentially hurt you, and the other will if you take loads of it?

Yes.

Nicotine lines the lungs and that interferes with their effectiveness at processing air, causing such problems as shortness of breath, and the presenece can also cause cancerous activity within the lung's cells with the option of spreading.

Alcohol is a natural chemical produced within the body, and processed by the body. Ingesting alcohol causes the body's natural processing to increase, but there is a limit to that increase, so ingesting excessive amounts can cause a build up of alcohol within the body, where it can interfere with other bodily processes that it would otherwise not reach, and can cause unnatural chemical reactions resulting in cellular damage.

In brief, inhaling nicotine has the potential to cause harm, while drinking excessive amounts of alcohol will damage organs and even cause them to fail.

Hence why terms such as "in moderation" and "abuse" are linked to drinking, while "can kill" is linked to smoking.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:57 pm

Theres no comparison to be honest.

if I give u a pack of a beer are you addicted to the point where not drinking would be a nightmare?

Also, drinking in soicable ammounts will probably never harm you, where as smoking will.

They really bare no comparison.

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:10 pm

I wasn't trying to suggest that alcohol is more addictive than tobacco-more that both are addictive, and both ruin health and take lives-just because the numbers for alcohol are less than for those for tobacco doesn't mean they aren't significant, just as that just because alcohol addiction may be a slower process doesn't make it any less of a problem.

Just my opinion-as always, I'm open to correction/education/torture via electrodes.

EDIT: Thanks for clarifying, Rebis.

Post by **Denyer** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:13 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:if I give u a pack of a beer are you addicted to the point where not drinking would be a nightmare?

You could do the same with a case of cigarettes -- except two years later I'd still be on the first packet...

Mind you, if it were a pack of Boddingtons, Carling or most other lagers there'd be a hundred percent of it left.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:11 am

There are three cases being brought against the smoking ban being brought up here - where the full ban kicks in in 2 weeks - a hotel chain, a pub chain and an individual. They're all claiming breach of human rights.

I don't have a problem with the ban, personally. Some of the advertising and almost hysterical behaviour from pro-ban campaigners kinda got on my goat a little, but I'm actually looking forward to it.

Saying that about the over-the-top pro-banners, there are all sorts of dire and 'oh noes' predictions for pubs etc....anyone here who smokes not going to be heading to the pub as much now?

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:30 am

I can't possibly speak for what will happen in Britain in two weeks, but we never had any problems, any significant loss of sales in the clubs and pubs here in sweden when our bann went into effect.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:31 am

I don't think Ireland had hailstorms and hurricanoes of pubs going out of business either. It seems to be a bit of an exagerated claim.