Exiles (spoilers)

Post by **Best First** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:27 pm

Did anyone else think Mimic's death has just been totally underplayed?

its like, "yep, he's dead, lets have our next adventure"

not a worthy death either IMO...

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:02 am

You think that's bad? Just wait till ol Chrissy-Boy takes over the writing on it... Meaningless deaths and half-assed returns at least once an issue.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:29 am

Best First wrote:Did anyone else think Mimic's death has just been totally underplayed?
its like, "yep, he's dead, lets have our next adventure"

Yeah. Mishandled, that. The shocking, cheap death approach could have worked if everyone else wasn't all 'whatever'.

Poss SPOILERS for future cast member.

Is it really 'proper' 616 Psylocke Claremont is bringing with him?

He seriously has a...thing...about telepathic T+A faux-lesbian mind-control superhawt overpowered female characters.

Expect Blink and Psylocke to 'make...an emotional connection...so pure and strong...beyond the ordinary conception of love as homo superior is beyond homo sapiens...gor'blimey guv'nor apples and pears...oh noes my clothes have all mysteriously vanished or been replaced with an even more skank-tastic ouftit...again...arg bad guy is making me act like dominatrix...again...and I think I like it...and I just can't fight it...I know I know I know...I want to, want tooo.' 'soon.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:36 am

Well said.

I'm not much for complaining about comics or creators. I read what I like. I stop reading what I don't like. With guys like Claremont or Byrne I so rarely like any of their stuff that I just have no comment on 'em. It's always a shame when I hear that one of them has screwed up a series that people like, though.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:02 am

That's normally my approach also, but Claremont's style makes me squirm now. Saying that, I've only read 4 issues of his X-Men comics in the last 2+ years, so perhaps I'm somewhat off-base.

TBH, I think it's a sensible move on Marvel's part to stick him on the title.
He's proven his ability to pull in a flat, what, 70K readers or something on pretty much any X-Men book. He can't give Marvel the kind of top-selling X-book they want anymore, but he can provide pretty stable readership figures.
Leaving aside the fact that it sucked, giving him X-Treme X-Men seemed a good move in the business sense, and this seems to be a repeat of that, but better, as Exiles shouldn't impact on anything else and he can go do whatever. Keeps Claremont sweet, keeps his fans sweet. I feel sorry for the Exiles fans who don't like his stuff tho.
But tbh, I stopped regularly picking that book up some time ago, I just read the odd issue here and there now, so it doesn't really bother me.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:56 am

KingMob wrote: I feel sorry for the Exiles fans who don't like his stuff tho.

Hi.

i didn't know about this. Utter balls.

Then again the title has been going downhill for a while now. The Hyperion arc was quite good but i think the change in the status quo may also have involved a bit of shark jumping.

World Tour has been novelty and little else, espcialy with Mimics crap death and the increasingly annoying Proteous. The book used to be very character driven but now its just fights and cameos.

Psylocke & Clairmont - is there a worse combination in comics? ugh.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:53 am

Agree on the Mimic thing. Glad it's not just me. Thought it was a nice way to idea for how to kill him off, but they completely gutted all the dramatic impact out of it.

When the writer did his bit in the letters page a while back about "just wait till we visit the new universe and 2099" I thought he was taking the piss. I genuinely thought it was a joke.

And, oh look, it is a joke.

Didn't know Claremont was coming to the title. Quite ******* angry about that right now...

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:13 am

Brendocon wrote:Agree on the Mimic thing. Glad it's not just me.

yet the letters page has been full of praise - how intriguing... pfft.

New Universe was very self indulgent - i get he impression about 7 people remember it, it had bugger all resonance for me. At least with 2099 you can relate the future incarnations with the originals, but even then it was very novelty. The best thing about it was the 2 part cover, but that also seemed out of place given most of teh people on it didn't show up.

What next - Power pack?

I suppose its good that Calvin isn't aropund to fall in love with bloody Psylocke.

Man i used to love this book.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:26 am

The New Universe arc was about on a par with one of the worse "custom designed" dimensions on the book, as far as I cared.

Actually missed the first issue of the 2099 story... got the second but haven't bothered reading it yet.

No way in hell I'm buying it anymore if Claremont comes on board. It's been treading water for a while now, threatening to get really good again but never actually managing it. They can [composite word including 'f*ck'] off if they think I'm buying it under Claremont.

When's #13 of Astonishing out?

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:07 pm

Brendocon wrote: When's #13 of Astonishing out?

Last Wednesday, mate.

Sorry you guys are so disappointed with Claremont on the title, but I think you're on the money with your crits - the book hadn't been doing anything for me since the early Hyperion stuff. I picked up a couple of issues of the Timebreaker arc, but the cast wasn't really my thing so never made it a regular pick-up again.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:19 pm

KingMob wrote:
Brendocon wrote: When's #13 of Astonishing out?
Last Wednesday, mate.

Tops. Thought it would have been, but didn't make it to the shops at the weekend - busy setting up lighting rigs for a charity bash.

Sorry you guys are so disappointed with Claremont on the title, but I think you're on the money with your crits - the book hadn't been doing anything for me since the early Hyperion stuff. I picked up a couple of issues of the Timebreaker arc, but the cast wasn't really my thing so never made it a regular pick-up again.

The "Weapon X vs. Exiles" Hyperion stuff was cracking. Sort of plodded for a while after that... thought the Timebreakers stuff was great - fab and logical twist and a decent resolution. They've struggled to find any real form since then, though. It's a case of "good ideas, lousy execution" in my eyes.

I think mediocrity is often worse than outright crap... it tends to give things false promise and reeks of "this could be so much better"ness. Whereas if it were just awful I could write it off without any guilt. Much like I'll be doing when CC gets the reigns.

I forsee many though panels containing "I, Uberc00lclaremontmadecharacternobodyelsecaresabout, being an Exile, wish I could return home to my world where I liked it and stuff, but nay - I must roam time righting wrongs and fighting this monster who has me by the neck and is nanoseconds away from pulversing me with his killer laser eyebeams that he got from [insert drawn out origin story here]... fortunately for me, I'm invulnerable when ah'm blastin'!"

Every. Damn. Page.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:19 pm

Aw, i like Cannonball.

at least, like so many other X-chaps, when he is not being written by CC.

Thing is, its not just the over wordy crap - i can cope with that in isolation, its the fact that he has totally run out of ideas and just recycles crap.

oh well, that's an extra £1.60 in my back pocket a week.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:49 pm

Most of the Claremont post-Hosue of M stuff was rather good (or maybe that was just me). Maybe Exiles won't suffer that much.

And you could always go back to reading core X-titles, especially that they get new creative teams on July (meaning no Claremont). And the team that's gonna be starring in X-Men is rather mental.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:52 pm

who are the creators?

i'm not sure i can be arsed anymore, there are just too many titles these days.

who is the core team though?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:57 pm

Best First wrote:who are the creators?

i'm not sure i can be arsed anymore, there are just too many titles these days.

who is the core team though?

Brubaker's write Uncanny (I think). That should be money!

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:00 pm

ah, could prove tempting in that case.

but i might just grab the trades.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:01 pm

Best First wrote:ah, could prove tempting in that case.

but i might just grab the trades.

Have you given Deadly Genesis a read? Spiffy!

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:08 pm

CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR FUTURE X-MEN STORIES, SO FEEL WARNED

Uncanny will be written by Ed Brubaker and drawn by Billy Tan. It will be continuation of threads started in X-Men: Deadly Genesis which is being released now. The cast are: Charlie X, Havok, Polaris, Nightcrawler, Rachel Summers, Jim Proudstar and one other, but they didn't reveal who yet. First 12-issue arc will take the team onto journey through space.

X-Men will be written by Mike Carey and drawn by Chris Bachalo. The team that will feature in it are: Iceman, Rogue, Cannonball, Cable, Mystqiue and Sabretooth.

Best First wrote:i'm not sure i can be arsed anymore, there are just too many titles these days.

I read only titles with X-Teams and that is enough for me. I haven't read Wolverine since they relaunched it around 2003 and don't feel like I'm missing something.

Oh, and I read Peter David's x-Factor which is ace.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:15 pm

Wolvie has been quite good actually. Mark Miller's stuff was bom diggy.

i got the first issue of X-Factor and... didn't feel massively compelled to keep going.

Post by **Denyer** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:57 pm

Brendocon wrote:threatening to get really good again

I may have asked this before, but when does it get really good? I've read about the first dozen issues.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:06 pm

how much you enjoy probaqbly depends on some extent as to how familiar you are with the marvel universe and, especially, x-lore.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:20 pm

Denyer wrote:
Brendocon wrote:threatening to get really good again
I may have asked this before, but when does it get really good? I've read about the first dozen issues.

The Weapon X stuff kicked booty.

Hyperion was the shizzle.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:40 pm

The new XFactor series is fracking great.

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:34 am

Brendocon wrote:
Denyer wrote:
Brendocon wrote:threatening to get really good again
I may have asked this before, but when does it get really good? I've read about the first dozen issues.
The Weapon X stuff kicked booty.

Hyperion was the shizzle.

The Weapon X team was always more interesting to me than the primary cast, unfortunately.
I particularly liked their 3-parter on the world where Iron Man was US President, and the first one where Hyperion joins their squad.

edit: X-Factor I like, but am considering dropping it. The only reasons I still have it on my list were (until yesterday) that the Madrox mini-series was so awesome and that my gf likes it. When it was announced Sook was leaving I had almost decided on 'dropping it' after his last issue, but yesterday I found out apparently both Quicksilver and Deadpool will be joing the book's cast in upcoming issues, which is flipping me to giving it a bit longer.

Also...it's trying something different, and apart from Son of M, is the only Decimation-related book that's actually tackling the event and the implications in an interesting and well-written way, for me.
I'm still iffy tho. It's not really a good comic - it's a good X-comic. There's a difference.

Post by **Denyer** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:01 pm

Yeah, such ever seems the way with series fiction.

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