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Post by Ozz » Tue May 01, 2007 9:51 am

Best First wrote:The one thing that i do think has been pretty much a washout is the fallout of the House of M - getting rid of all the Mutants hasn't had mch of an impact that i can tell.
It's supposed to be a catalyst for this year's event in the X-books. So, better late than never?

I'll probably be into WWH more than I was into CW.

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Post by Yaya » Tue May 01, 2007 2:37 pm

Best First wrote:i like how serious Marvel is now, there's still plenty of room for fun though, the thought balloons in MA being an obvious example.

I don't buy this notion of geting back to being Marvel, which Marvel? The slightly camp adventures of the 60s? The oh look its another x-title crushingh the main stream marvel universe to death of the 90s?

Change is not implicitly a bad thing, and the status quo isn't always worth returning to.
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Post by Best First » Tue May 01, 2007 3:28 pm

woo-hoo! ;)

so anyone know the scoop on the x-event?

Loce Cable being in the X-men again by the way.
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Post by Ozz » Tue May 01, 2007 4:35 pm

Best First wrote:so anyone know the scoop on the x-event?
I think this covers most of what is known now. The one-shot is out in the middle of June, first back-up should be one week later, and then one every week till the end of October.
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Me too, though it makes Cable & Deadpool bit redundant. Taking recent events in that book into accout I'd change the title to Agency X and go from there.
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Post by Hound » Tue May 01, 2007 4:40 pm

Best First wrote:woo-hoo! ;)

so anyone know the scoop on the x-event?

Loce Cable being in the X-men again by the way.
Without giving too much away, I believe the event involves Maruaders, Sinister, Jubilee, Gambit and lots of death. They are calling it 'endangered species' i believe...
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Post by Best First » Wed May 02, 2007 7:43 am

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I think this covers most of what is known now. The one-shot is out in the middle of June, first back-up should be one week later, and then one every week till the end of October.
Thanks. :)

Good stuff, i am liking getting back into X-men again. I used to buy every damn x book out there but after they bought C back the books just seemed to hobble from one writer to the next, Morrison rescued things for a good while but then it all went awful again and to my own suprise i quit x-men bar Wolverine and Exiles (oh, look, history repeating)

(naturally i utterly exclue Astoishing from this statement).

Also i love that half way down that article i was thinking "hmm, good global warming analogy" and they mentioned it at the end - i like the x-men as an allogorical force, be it racism, homophobia or just humanity failing to confront the fact its ****ing itself in the ass.

I know i said there is no definitive Marvel a few posts back but for me a Marvel strength has always been that real world taint, from the trails of being a teenager to family relationships, even if its layered over guys in spandex with big claws that come out of their hands.

That said i hope we don't see too much killing, there have been quite a few, imo, decent, b league x'ers killed off or depowered in the last 2-3 years. Conversely though if someone could kill off Gambit...

Hmm. Enthused comics post - excellent.
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Post by KingMob » Thu May 03, 2007 12:16 pm

Read my comics over lunch and they were all great! Well, maybe not Omega Flight.

TF was the tits! So good it had to be mentioned in here.

Joss Whedon totally stole today. Runaways had about 4 out-loud laughs on every page and yet the pace didn't let up for a moment. Sooooo good. Astonishing popped off the page and crackled with bolts to the brainium like that electric Gremlin from the New Batch. Perfect storytelling. And a cool twist!

But the actual winnah was the Sensational Spider-Man Annual. Spidey-fans, you need this comic. Exciting, romantic, funny, action, quiet bits, art you just keep staring at...okay, it's still just a Spidey comic, but it's a damn good one.

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Post by Brendocon » Thu May 03, 2007 3:12 pm

KingMob wrote:Joss Whedon totally stole today. Runaways had about 4 out-loud laughs on every page and yet the pace didn't let up for a moment. Sooooo good. Astonishing popped off the page and crackled with bolts to the brainium like that electric Gremlin from the New Batch. Perfect storytelling. And a cool twist!
FP Cambs didn't have Astonishing, so I had to make do with Runaways (which I'm about to go read) and Buffy #3. Which is wonderful as ever, but very Pirates in the ending.

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Post by sprunkner » Fri May 04, 2007 3:49 am

Astonishing was good. I also got Runaways manga vol. 7. For all that I love Joss Whedon, I will really miss Brian Vaughn. But I'm miffed that I need to read Civil War: YA & Runaways to get the next arc.
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Post by Shanti418 » Fri May 04, 2007 4:39 am

WWH/IH - Good little buildup. This is going to be a sweet ass event. I didn't like how they ruined next month's She Hulk, however. And STILL Iron Man/Reed Richards are dicks.

TF #6 - It was good. Not Kup Spotlight good, but good.

Avengers Initiative - Aiiight. I don't even remember what really happened. Some sort of fighting Hydra at the end. It was worth it to see that Emo guy make Pym hallucinate and see a beat up Janet giving him a guilt trip. Oh YEAH, and for some reason Slott portrayed Dubya as a competant and brave leader. Ah, the joys of fiction.

52 #52 - This kicked ass. The issue was good, wrapped everything up, set on the table the new exciting status quo. Overall, I really can't say enough about this series. I think the IC/52 journey was MUCH cooler than CW, and that's with me not reading any of the DCU outside of 52 and The Brave and The Bold

Friendly Neighbordhood SM - At last the Arrow reveal. Sets up a fight next ish. Not much else past that, except a scene with Betty Brant's reaction to Peter about his unmasking. I was waiting for the reviews on the Sensation Annual - Looks like I'm going to have to blow another 4 bucks tomorrow.

Buffy #3 - Pretty good. Buffy fans will probably have a "referencegasm", much like BF as the beginning of the Escalation thread, what with all the male characters I couldn't tell apart and the Buffy/Angel/Spike threesome.

TFTM #4 - Well, THAT'S over with, at least. Once we got to the status quo of Shia Lebauf in a comic and Bumblebee communicating through Chumbawumba songs, I was finished anyway. It even seemed like Don was disinterested.

Walking Dead TPB #6 - Hells yeah. If you're not reading this, you should be. If Marvel Zombies is the summer popcorn movie, Walking Dead is that star packed drama that sweeps the Oscars
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Post by Ozz » Fri May 04, 2007 7:34 am

sprunkner wrote:Astonishing was good. I also got Runaways manga vol. 7. For all that I love Joss Whedon, I will really miss Brian Vaughn. But I'm miffed that I need to read Civil War: YA & Runaways to get the next arc.
No, you don't. You need to read Runaways Saga. Or, to save you four $s, you need to read this little bit I copied from Wikipedia:

[spoiler]After an off-panel escape from Iron Man (related in the text of Molly's journal as seen in the Runaways Saga recap comic), Chase and the others are seen flying across the country in the Leapfrog, vandalizing five "Welcome to (state)" signs along the way. Reading Molly's journal, the team regains their emotional bond and resolves to continue their running.[/spoiler]
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Post by Yaya » Sun May 06, 2007 5:37 pm

My vote for best title at the moment: Star Wars:Knights of the Old Republic. Great art, fantastic cast, and superb writing. If you guys haven't picked this up, recommend you do, starting with #1.

Avengers Initiative=crap. Think I'll be dropping this.

Omega Flight #2-jack **** happens, but will stick it out as I like Sasquatch and want to see where this goes.

Caught up on the Hulk story just by reading the World War Hulk Prologue. Good book if you haven't been keeping up, like me.

So yeah, my favs at the moment are Knights of the Old Republic and Transformers.
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Post by Best First » Mon May 07, 2007 9:52 am

is it in any way tied to the old x-box game?

i've lost a lot of love for SW to be honest, but that game is brilliant.
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Post by Shanti418 » Mon May 07, 2007 1:39 pm

I started reading Star Wars: Legacy, simply because I like post ROTJ stories better than anything else, but my LCS didn't always have the new issue, and I dropped it along the way somewhere.
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Post by Yaya » Mon May 07, 2007 5:15 pm

Best First wrote:is it in any way tied to the old x-box game?

i've lost a lot of love for SW to be honest, but that game is brilliant.
Never played that game, but it likely occurs in the same time period.

I can understand your love loss for SW, but Knights is definitely worth the read. I think it's on issue #16, and I just caught up with this series a month ago. My bro recommended it, and I'm loving it. Great, great characters.
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Post by Obfleur » Tue May 08, 2007 11:22 am

I've been reading Planet Hulk (and long for World War Hulk) - but there's one thing I don't understand: why did they plant a big ass bomb on Hulks ship?
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Post by Ozz » Tue May 08, 2007 12:36 pm

I thought it was ship's engine that exploded. That's what I heard anyway, I haven't read it.

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Post by Obfleur » Tue May 08, 2007 1:08 pm

Ozz wrote:I thought it was ship's engine that exploded. That's what I heard anyway, I haven't read it.
I might not be remembering it correctly - but it blew up like, a whole city. Maybe it was a nuclear powered ship or something.

Anyways, I have another question. I'm not used to reading comics, but wikipedia says "A prologue will be written by Peter David in May.[6] Incredible Hulk #106-110 and World War Hulk: Frontline #1-6[7] is a parallel story that follows the impact of the Hulk's return on various characters, such as She-Hulk, Namor the Sub-Mariner, and Hercules. There is also World War Hulk: X-Men #1-3, World War Hulk: Gamma Corps #1-4, Iron-Man #19-20, Heroes For Hire #11–14, Ghost Rider 12–13, and a Young Avengers one-shot,[8] as well as Irredeemable Ant-Man #10 and Avengers: The Initiative #4-#5. All of these stories will begin in June and the event will end in October of 2007."

I'm guessing that you have to read all of that to get the most out of the story-line? Is it always that complicated to read comics? :oops:

EDIT: I found this. Holy **** that's a lot of comics.
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Post by Shanti418 » Tue May 08, 2007 2:38 pm

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Ozz wrote:I thought it was ship's engine that exploded. That's what I heard anyway, I haven't read it.
I might not be remembering it correctly - but it blew up like, a whole city. Maybe it was a nuclear powered ship or something.

Anyways, I have another question. I'm not used to reading comics, but wikipedia says "A prologue will be written by Peter David in May.[6] Incredible Hulk #106-110 and World War Hulk: Frontline #1-6[7] is a parallel story that follows the impact of the Hulk's return on various characters, such as She-Hulk, Namor the Sub-Mariner, and Hercules. There is also World War Hulk: X-Men #1-3, World War Hulk: Gamma Corps #1-4, Iron-Man #19-20, Heroes For Hire #11–14, Ghost Rider 12–13, and a Young Avengers one-shot,[8] as well as Irredeemable Ant-Man #10 and Avengers: The Initiative #4-#5. All of these stories will begin in June and the event will end in October of 2007."

I'm guessing that you have to read all of that to get the most out of the story-line? Is it always that complicated to read comics? :oops:

EDIT: I found this. Holy **** that's a lot of comics.
Re: The Bomb - It was the engine of Hulk's ship. I imagine it was nuclear powered. Of course Hulk thinks that the Illuminati RIGGED the ship to blow up, which I'm not sure of. It could have spontanesouly blew up, or worse yet, someone who was fooling around in it (like Miek) might have set off the explosive either accidentally or intentionally, thereby saving the Illuminati from the blame of killing the planet. But if that happens, it'll probably be in the last ish of WWH. The scene after will show Hulk with a tear in his eye surrendering to Iron Man.

Re: The Issues - Marvel says WWH is a standalone story, but they said the same thing about Civil War, too. I'm going to buy WWH, Incredible Hulk, and possibliy Frontline.




EDIT: Ooh! Another theory! While Hulk was asleep, Banner came out and set the ship to explode because he didn't want to spend the rest of his life on an alien world, thereby setting up a seriously antagonistic Banner/Hulk relationship post WWH. Then BANNER, with a tear in his eyes, surrenders to Iron Man. :P
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Post by Ozz » Tue May 08, 2007 4:05 pm

Obfleur wrote:I'm guessing that you have to read all of that to get the most out of the story-line? Is it always that complicated to read comics? :oops:
Yeah, but you can safely read only the core titles and it should be OK. I don't think it will be necessary for anyone who doesn't already read Irredeemable Ant-Man to read that one issue. I think Heroes for Hire is supposed to pitch the team against some of Hulk's buddies, so I imagine that one not particularly essential, either. I'd risk and say the same for Ghost Rider.
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Post by Shanti418 » Wed May 09, 2007 5:08 pm

New Avengers Spoilers, Amazing Spider Man Spoilers, and the 500th Topic Post!


Clint Barton is Ronin and these New Avengers are fighting to uncover the REAL story behind SHIELD and Civil War, May is still in a coma, Pete beats up the sniper, sniffs out the Kingpin as the mastermind, and is seriously pissed
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Post by Best First » Wed May 09, 2007 9:49 pm

Man i wish i hadn't read that Ronin Spoiler.

and man am i happy with who it is.

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Post by Obfleur » Thu May 10, 2007 6:53 pm

I have a question about Civil War. I've found a check list for that as well, and it's like a mile long.
Is it okay to only read the "core comics"(?) here as well (all of the ones that start with Civil War [and then there's like CW; X-Men, Frontline, etc]) - or do you recommend me to read the Spider-man, and Fantastic Four and etc, comics that are on the check list?
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Post by Shanti418 » Thu May 10, 2007 8:16 pm

Essential: CW Proper, Spider Man, Frontline

Important: Wolverine, She Hulk

Kinda Important, Depending on if you like the Character/Team: Fantastic Four, New Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America, Punisher

Not Important: YA/Runaways, X-Men, Ms. Marvel, Thunderbolts, X-Factor, Cable/Deadpool, Heroes for Hire



As far as Road to Civil War, Illuminati is really all you need, as FF is actually not CW related at all.
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Post by Yaya » Fri May 11, 2007 1:37 am

Just read that Dr. Strange five-issue limited series from last year The Oath written by Vaughn, who now writes for Lost.

Excellent writer. He took a pretty boring character, and made me love the guy.

Recommend it for those who didn't catch it. This Vaughn guy can write, can't he?
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Post by Professor Smooth » Fri May 11, 2007 2:00 am

I think Civil War is a much better read if you ignore Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four. I like JMS, but his characterization of Tony in those books goes completely against how he portrayed in the main series. In some cases, JMS has Tony saying something that is completely opposite of what he is saying (at the same time, to the same person) in Civil War.

JMS is the biggest cause for the current hating of Iron Man, imo.
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Post by KingMob » Fri May 11, 2007 7:23 am

Professor Smooth wrote:I think Civil War is a much better read if you ignore Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four. I like JMS, but his characterization of Tony in those books goes completely against how he portrayed in the main series. In some cases, JMS has Tony saying something that is completely opposite of what he is saying (at the same time, to the same person) in Civil War.

JMS is the biggest cause for the current hating of Iron Man, imo.
Completely agree. Certain parts of Front Line (esp #11) are similar. The Tony appearances in JMS books make him look like a conniving bastard, while the Front Line ones basically make him a villain. IMHO Front Line #11 is both an abysmal comic and an abysmal contribution to the Civil War storyline. The writer is also responsible for the leading contender for worst comic of the year, Civil War: the Return. Avoid that comic at all costs.

You really can just read the main CW series and ignore the rest, although some plot points you might question or want to see more of are expanded on in other comics, as mentioned above. However, for strict narrative line purposes I think the only title that contributes something major to the main plot thread is Punisher War Journal. The others are mostly asides. I would recommend adding Illuminati, Cap #25 and Civil War: the Confession to that to get the most complete reading experience for the smallest amount of issues.

Dr Strange the Oath is indeed awesome, I hope the Night Nurse turns up in New Avengers. Very glad that Ronin turned out to be that person!

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Post by Best First » Fri May 11, 2007 7:35 am

in fairness, if you ignore all the JMS stuff - the Confession also pretty much makes Iron man out to be a dick.

Agree Front Line was naff - nowhere near as clever as it thinks it is.

And The Return was without a shadow of a doubt the most pointless and stupid thing i have read in a very long time.
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Post by Brendocon » Fri May 11, 2007 7:51 am

Yaya wrote:This Vaughn guy can write, can't he?
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Post by Shanti418 » Fri May 11, 2007 4:35 pm

Brendocon wrote:
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Yes, yes he is.



I can see where you guys are coming from on ASM, and I'll agree that JMS portrays Iron Man like a dick, but he's not the only one. I'm going to go back through all of them to find out, though.

I think because of the CW Unmasking, ASM is an essential read, regardless.

Frontline also sucked, but the "revelation" in #11 is a big part of the story, assinine or not. The fate of the surviving New Warrior is also important, only slightly more so than Damage Control (Wolverine) and the completly wasted Atlantean story line (Frontline)


I guess I was thinking less in terms of quantity and more in the terms of, "If you want Marvel's version of the COMPLETE CW storyline...." The other titles are basically just character reactions or realities due to CW, and not related to CW proper.






Seriously though? 52 was the best event series of 2006.
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