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Post by Yaya » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:16 pm

So read the wrap up issues of Seige.

Lame. Just lame.

All this build up about the Sentry, and they take him out by crashing a helicarrier into him? Seriously, Bendis is a hack. He can't end a story.

Actually, most of the big Marvel stories have had lame endings. The Skrull invasion ends in a lame fashion with Osborne shooting the skrull queen with a hand pistol?

I can't take anymore of Bendis' dialogue.
"You can't?"
"Can't."
"Really?"
"Really."
"So what you're saying is.."
"Can't. Really."
"Wow."
"Big time wow".
"So no more buying Bendis books?"
"Can't."
"Damn shame"
"Shame. You said it." :roll:


Lame. Seriously, it pisses me off that they make us invest all the time and money into these major storylines that last a year and can't wrap it up. It's like AHM Marvel style.

I would have had the Void kill Osborne. I would have had Doom play a bigger role. I mean, give us something that doesn't let it end all nice and tidy.

Anyway, I'm done with Bendis. Going to buy the stuff from Diggle, Hickman, and Brubaker. Maybe some of the Deadpool stuff. But that's pretty much it for me for now.
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Post by bumblemusprime » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:42 pm

What truly pissed me off about Siege was the way that this Thor/Sentry fight has been building ever since Thor came back. But we get no clue about what exactly helped Thor win. What makes a god stronger than a million exploding stars?
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Post by Yaya » Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:33 pm

bumblemusprime wrote: What makes a god stronger than a million exploding stars?
Apparently, a helicarrier to the midsection.


"The midsection?"
"Midsection."
"You mean the abd.."
"Midsection"
"But a thousand exploding su..."
"Midsection. Hellicarrier."
Sigh. "Helicarrier."


Hey, I can write as good as Bendis!
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Post by Best First » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:48 pm

not so much.

i like most of Bendis's stuff - bt i agree the end of Seige was a cop, and that where he seems to falter is the ending of anything big. He's sublime at buildup which obviosulsy makes it all the worse.

Seige peaked at issue 2. My biggest dislike about the series was the fact the X-men and the FF didn't pitch in.
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Post by Yaya » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:49 pm

Read Secret Warriors and the new Secret Avengers by Brubaker. Good stuff. Strong writing.

Thunderbolts was okay, but come on! "Let's see, who can we pick to be on the new Thunderbolts? Gotta be someone safe. Aha! We'll take Moonstone. She was only a sadistic member of the Dark Avengers working closely with Osborn a week ago. Oh, and Crossbones! Slayer of Captain America himself. The obvious choice. And finally, let's wrap it up with someone, uh, unstoppable. Yeah. Someone that, if he got out of line, we just couldn't do anything about. Juggernaut! Thanks for the tip, Professor X." :roll:

I'll say this. The choices are ridiculous, but you've got a very fun team to read about, especially throwing Ghost in there. The premise is ****, but I'm going to go with it.


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Post by Yaya » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:52 pm

Best First wrote: bt i agree the end of Seige was a cop, and that where he seems to falter is the ending of anything big. He's sublime at buildup which obviosulsy makes it all the worse.
Yeah. Funny thing is, we attack McCarthy for ending an entire war by having some human shoot Megatron in the head....and Bendis does the same thing during Secret Invasion by having Osborn shoot the Queen in the head with a hand pistol. War over. The parallels....so lame.
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Post by Best First » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:58 am

Yaya wrote:Read Secret Warriors and the new Secret Avengers by Brubaker. Good stuff. Strong writing.
i already am thanks - lay off the patronising pills.

Assuming they don't constitue your entire diet! Ah-ha-haa! Boom ;)

Comparing Secret War to AHM is grossley unfar i think - the fact that someone is shot ends something isn't what is wrong with AHM, its the fact it shat on everything that went before it, it wasn't remotely fun to read and that the conclusion in no way makes sense in terms of what comes after (all this war is over crap). While i am sure some people would level teh second accusation at SW, the first and the third don't stand - it was a clever way to manouver Osborn into the position he needed to be in kick of Dark Reighn.

You might as well compare them on the basis that they both have some characters in doing stuff.

I thought T-bolts was pretty good. Great to see you know who back at the end, but agree Moonstone and Crossbones don't make much sense. Juggy i have no issues with because i love a bit of 'naut.

Deadeto - is good, but i am not sure he is the best - i don't think he has the same story telling chops as, say, Ron Garney on Weapon X.

Anyway - enough of all these seppo comics, its time for something English. This weekend i picked up 6 collected editions of 2000 ADs Nikolai Dante - its phenominal stuff - a theif and rogue with an occassional heart of gold (but only in contrast to his peers) caught up in the Dynastic intrigue of a 26th century Russian empire. It has heart, humour, action and fantastic art. Buckles are swashed in ways you can only imagine. Buy it.
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Post by Yaya » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:50 pm

Best First wrote: Comparing Secret War to AHM is grossley unfar i think - the fact that someone is shot ends something isn't what is wrong with AHM, its the fact it shat on everything that went before it, it wasn't remotely fun to read and that the conclusion in no way makes sense in terms of what comes after (all this war is over crap). While i am sure some people would level teh second accusation at SW, the first and the third don't stand - it was a clever way to manouver Osborn into the position he needed to be in kick of Dark Reighn.

You might as well compare them on the basis that they both have some characters in doing stuff.
Yeah. The differences end there, but they are both lame. AHM far lamer, I agree.
Juggy i have no issues with because i love a bit of 'naut.
Your phrasology is awesome. "A bit of 'naut". :) I think I'm going to steal this.
Deadeto - is good, but i am not sure he is the best - i don't think he has the same story telling chops as, say, Ron Garney on Weapon X.
Not reading the X stuff, so can't say. But there was this one guy doing X-factor (forgot his name) who might actually be the best.
Anyway - enough of all these seppo comics, its time for something English. This weekend i picked up 6 collected editions of 2000 ADs Nikolai Dante - its phenominal stuff - a theif and rogue with an occassional heart of gold (but only in contrast to his peers) caught up in the Dynastic intrigue of a 26th century Russian empire. It has heart, humour, action and fantastic art. Buckles are swashed in ways you can only imagine. Buy it.
This actually sounds intriguing. Wonder if I could find it at Books a Million in the US.
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Post by Professor Smooth » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:42 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPh8aId ... r_embedded

I don't want to over-sell it, but... wow.

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Post by Optimus Prime Rib » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:55 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPh8aId ... r_embedded

I don't want to over-sell it, but... wow.
I was thoroughly enjoying this until I saw deadpool.. then I shot soda out of my nose and couldnt stop laughing.
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Post by bumblemusprime » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:57 pm

Best First wrote:I didn't like it. They don't have mums, or dads, or children. And they turn into stuff. And they don't eat Monster Munch or watch Xena: Warrior Princess. Or do one big poo in the morning and another one in the afternoon. I bet they weren't even excited by and then subsequently disappointed by Star Wars Prequels. Or have a glass full of spare change near their beds. That they don't have.

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Post by Yaya » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:15 am

Holding off on RASL till its all done. I just can't wait around a year for each issue, not even for Jeff Smith.
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Post by Best First » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:24 am

Professor Smooth wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPh8aId ... r_embedded

I don't want to over-sell it, but... wow.
That was super, man.
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Post by bumblemusprime » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:18 pm

Best First wrote:I didn't like it. They don't have mums, or dads, or children. And they turn into stuff. And they don't eat Monster Munch or watch Xena: Warrior Princess. Or do one big poo in the morning and another one in the afternoon. I bet they weren't even excited by and then subsequently disappointed by Star Wars Prequels. Or have a glass full of spare change near their beds. That they don't have.

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Post by Best First » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:02 am

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Post by Best First » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:09 pm

Bought a load of grafficy Novely things at the weekend.

Managed to fill the final gap in My Nikolai Dante collection with Volume 3P The Courtship of Jena Markov. Will other people please go out and buy this stuff it is amazing.

One thing of note - they have a rule of thumb (sensibly applied and not applied) 7 panels per page (as revealed in the extra bits) to try and accelerate the pace of the story - especially relevant as it was originally served up in 7 page weekly doses in 2000 AD - Mr Costa could pay heed.

picked up Nova vols 3-5. Really liking the cosmic stuff. i remember when Nova was relaunched by Larrson many years back and he seemed a bit of a knob but this version is really likeable and the explicit desire of the writers to take him from a b-lister to a heavy hitter is very enjoyable. It's nice when characters actually go through meaningful change - Marvel one's no less.

Also working my way throgh Morrison's final run on Punisher Max. Not mad on the art but in story terms its about 30% less good than Preacher, which is good enough to pass time on.

Oh and Infinity Gauntlet for some old school 80s cross over business. Enjoyable so far - i assume there is a reset coming as the impact on earth and it's heroes is pretty brutal so far. Plus old school Perez is always worth ir.
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Post by bumblemusprime » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:37 pm

Infinity Gauntlet, despite the final retcon, is bliss. It still has the problem of every marvel crossover in that it doesn't so much end as force you to buy a new book.
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Post by Best First » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:06 pm

It's almost as if that's their... waitaminute!

i think what i like about it is that - while you know its gonna get the magic undo - the trick is to actually showcase character moments when they are at the point of death - in this case notably Cap when he knows he is screwed and just becomes more Cappier than ever. And half of it's in the art, just the expression on his face - which is what i love about good comics.

When it's handled like that the whole thing is justifiable.

Less so when it's What If type stuff where writers just basically start killing people who have survived worse because they know there is no continuity impact or a reset but the only reason its done is to emphasise how bad things are - not to allow the characters to shine in their (not) last moments.

Oh, got vol 1 of Scott Pilgrim as well - as i figured i should read it before i see the film. It was suh-weet and made me giggle.

Not really feeling the heroic age so far though - in general.
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Post by Yaya » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:16 am

Best First wrote: Not really feeling the heroic age so far though - in general.
That makes two of us. I took a look at some of the Avengers stuff and really not impressed. Avengers:Academy is okay but when all is said and done, seems like yet another New Warriors gig. How many times is Marvel going to shove the ole 'wet behind the ears' crew at us and hope we bite? Secret Avengers is probably the only Avengers title I'm willing to go with.

Shadowland, on the other hand, I'm enjoying. I really enjoyed Brubaker's run on Daredevil and, in particular, enjoyed the gritty art. Glad the whole thing didn't play as heavily into the Osborn thing. Think I'll be sticking with this.

Sticking with Fantastic Four too. But Hickman's kind of dragging his feet now with Secret Warriors and his S.H.I.E.L.D. title is a total [composite word including 'f*ck']. Anybody know what the hell is going on in that story? Cause I have no clue what that's all about.

Anybody read the new X-men title and is there anything in it that would make it worth reading?

Sticking with Thunderbolts cause I like the new crew, but so far the writing has been blah.

Deadpool is always good for a laugh. The guy who writes Merc With a Mouth, I like him. I'll read his Deadpool stuff, but pass on anyone else's take on the mercenary.

And that's it for Marvel.

Onto other things, is anyone reading Millar's Nemesis? Actually enjoying this. Over the top violence with a rather cliche good guy/bad guy plot, but I'm still digging it.

Star Wars. Geez. You thought Transformers was going to pot, SW is utter crap. Legacy. Invasion. The Old Republic. All garbage. Dropping all the SW stuff. Sad, because Knights of the Old Republic was so damn good two years ago. Oh yeah, watch Clone Wars. ZING!

Read Naoki Urasawa's Pluto, which was up for an Eisner. Once again, he doesn't disappoint and his work is head and shoulders above 99% of the stuff out there. Still, not as good a read as Monster, IMO. Will be reading 20th Century Boys next.

Naruto still kicks ass.
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Post by Best First » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:09 pm

Yaya wrote: Anybody read the new X-men title and is there anything in it that would make it worth reading?



Yaya wrote:Deadpool is always good for a laugh. The guy who writes Merc With a Mouth, I like him. I'll read his Deadpool stuff, but pass on anyone else's take on the mercenary.


Same bloke on X-Men.

Although i thouh Merc with a Mouth was termianally sh*t and find myself deeply saddened to see someone talk about Deadpool By Numbers With A Mouth is a positive manner.

X-Men seems pretty by the numbers so far as well based on, hmm, 1 issue.

Daniel's Ways DP in the other hand is strong - despite Wolverine origin's being geneally rather dull and it's ending being especially whatever cuz.

On a Wolvie note the Deathlok arc in Weapon X was sublime. Partially the art, but the story was pretty damn good as well.

Secret Avengers, Academy and New are all good for me. Thunderbolts too, but the central Avenegers title, despite having all the right ingredients, isn't really doing it for me. i think this team existing alongside Luke Cage's team kind of waters the whole thing dow.
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Post by Yaya » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:14 pm

So, is anyone reading S.h.i.e.l.d.?

Seriously, what the [composite word including 'f*ck'] is going on? Isaac Newton having sex with an alien creature?

Newton can't say this, can he: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJPcYfOfog


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Post by Professor Smooth » Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:15 pm

Ex Machina just wrapped. Sorry to see it go, but that last issue was unbelievable.

Darkwing Duck has become the book I most look forward to. EVERYTHING about this book is perfect. Even though it was supposed to be a six issue mini-series (it's now an ongoing), each issue reads like a one episode of a multi-part cartoon episodes. It does not seem to be "decompressed" at all.

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Post by Yaya » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:55 am

Did you say "Darkwing Duck"?
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Post by Professor Smooth » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:12 am

Yaya wrote:Did you say "Darkwing Duck"?
Daring duck of mystery? Champion of right? Sweeps out of the shadows? Ring any bells?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=375ENQbru8s

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Post by Yaya » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:01 pm

I know Darkwing. Just didn't know he had a comic.
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Post by Professor Smooth » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:55 pm

Yaya wrote:I know Darkwing. Just didn't know he had a comic.
He does. And it's AWESOME!

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Post by Shanti418 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:45 pm

Is it "wow, this is kiddy, but soooo damn good," a la Tiny Titans, or is it like "wow, this is suprisingly gritty," a la Eastman & Laird's TMNT?

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Post by bumblemusprime » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:36 pm

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Post by Optimus Prime Rib » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:29 pm

Just reread Messiah Complex. I really enjoy the new Xmen and I wonder if it would be worth picking up any books with them. I especially enjoy seeing X-23 flesh out as a character via her constant bickering and browbeating of Logan.

Makes me with I was an overpowered badass so my daughters could be even better versions of me being an overpowered badass.
Except with my luck, KaeLynn's "trigger scent" would probably be something like taco seasoning and shed go into a murderous rampage every tuesday on taco night.

Anyway, back on track. I would love any feedback on the books, if anyone has them. The only real negative I see to it is the art. I HATE the "teen titans" feel of the art. I understand that they are supposed to be new and edgy, but their uniforms are pretty lame. Whats with all of them wearing giant bracers and shin guards?
I am sure its petty compared against new characters that I seem to have found a nice connection to.

At least they aren't Gambit.

*authors note: Playing as Gambit in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 is perfectly acceptable if you unlock his alternate costume - Death. Even that makes Gambit a badass)
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Post by Brendocon » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:13 pm

I appear to have accidentally dropped season 8 of Buffy. Like, months ago. Without even trying.

Ah well. When you can do something like that without noticing, it isn't a good sign.

I have just ordered Ocean and the complete run of Scott Pilgrim books. Yay?

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