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Post by Best First » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:37 am

jboyler wrote: It's about Denmark and most of Europe which has been targetted by terrorists for years but have chosen to play their games instead of ending it.
:eyebrow: meaning?
I just wish people would notice the hypocrisy and selfishness of being mad about a cartoon when there are so many more horrible things in the world.


yeah, because no one's clocked that.

you may find that its the suggestion that its a somehow unique and more reprensible form of hypocrisy and selfishness than all the other forms of hypocrisy and selfishness that are regularly perpetrated that refelcts rather poorly on whatever point it is you are trying to make.

still you don't care. way to go.
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Post by Brendocon » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:44 am

I think all these militants give Terrorism a bad name. I mean what about the harmless Terrorists? They just go about their business, happily worshipping Amber Benson without lifting a finger against anyone....
Grrr. Argh.

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Post by Yaya » Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:12 pm

jboyler wrote:Now I believe that regardless of whether our war was right or wrong we still need to finish it,
Really? You in one breath codemn the death and destruction of innocent lives by terrorists, and then in another say you have to finish killing people even though you know its for the wrong reasons? Does the word "hypocricy" mean anything to you? You let national pride and that superiority complex cloud your judgement, so that you can't even discern right from wrong.

You tranfer your anger and blame to the Iraqis and terrorists for fear of the lives of yourself and your wife. Your anger is misplaced. You're not truly angry at the Iraqis or terrorist. I think you're really angry at your Commander-in-Chief, but see, you can't admit that to yourself because it goes against the very code you ascribed to when you signed your life away to the military. Can't blame the Commander, can't blame the U.S., therefore if I or my wife die, it must be someone elses fault.

The military code is not the highest code. Sadly, you like many soldiers all over the world, have forgotten that.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:31 pm

I belive he means regardless of if the war was right or not, they should now stay to finnish the job because pulling out would make a ***** storm.
Any half witted dolt knows that.
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Post by Yaya » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:37 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I belive he means regardless of if the war was right or not, they should now stay to finnish the job because pulling out would make a ***** storm.
Any half witted dolt knows that.
I think you have to be a half witted dolt to believe that staying there and killing people doesn't result in a shitstorm.

That's just a ******** excuse that you and others have been forced to believe so that the powers that be can acquire their oil stash.

I can't believe you fell for that **** too.

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Yaya wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I belive he means regardless of if the war was right or not, they should now stay to finnish the job because pulling out would make a ***** storm.
Any half witted dolt knows that.
I think you have to be a half witted dolt to believe that staying there and killing people doesn't result in a shitstorm.

That's just a ******** excuse that you and others have been forced to believe so that the powers that be can acquire their oil stash.

I can't believe you fell for that **** too.
So you think the best plan of action, having ****** up the place, is to leave it for someone else to clean up?

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:36 pm

Yaya wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I belive he means regardless of if the war was right or not, they should now stay to finnish the job because pulling out would make a ***** storm.
Any half witted dolt knows that.
I think you have to be a half witted dolt to believe that staying there and killing people doesn't result in a shitstorm.

That's just a ******** excuse that you and others have been forced to believe so that the powers that be can acquire their oil stash.

I can't believe you fell for that **** too.
So we should leave them to a **** storm we created?
Are you that stupid?
Actually, end of conversation your just thick as [composite word including 'f*ck'] cant be bothered its just to damm obvious to point out 100000000 of ppl would die if we left em to it now because there is no security you, you, oh god think with your lil mind would u, you go on about death but if theres no securty there would be more death, screw it your to dumb to think 2 steps forward.
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Post by Yaya » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:19 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: screw it your to dumb to think 2 steps forward.
Then do the smart thing. Shut the [composite word including 'f*ck'] up and don't respond to my comments if you can't grasp them.

People were asking about what happened to the Neanderthals. Guess I have my answer. I'm responding to one right now.

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Post by Yaya » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:24 pm

Rebis wrote:
So you think the best plan of action, having ****** up the place, is to leave it for someone else to clean up?
Clean up? This is not a freakin soccer stadium, for ****s sake. This is an attempt to secure numerous oil wells, not help Iraqis. Hell, I can name other countries much worse off right now than Iraq, I don't see us going to 'clean up' their mess, do you?

Pull out and let the Iraqis decide their fate. They see the U.S. as invaders, not maintainers of peace.

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So you think the best plan of action, having ****** up the place, is to leave it for someone else to clean up?
Clean up? This is not a freakin soccer stadium, for ****s sake.
Never said it was.

It's just common sesnse: you make a mess, you clean it up.

Maybe that sentence is too simplistic an analogy for your liking, but the point is unambiguous.

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Post by Yaya » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:00 pm

Rebis wrote: It's just common sesnse: you make a mess, you clean it up.
I agree. But what if they are the mess. They should clean up by ending their invasion and removing themselves from the premises. The U.S. army is not a universal mop, there to clean up 'messes' all over the world. That's why Bush has fallen so far out of favor. He makes messes, not fixes them.[/quote]

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Post by Professor Smooth » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:16 pm

It gets even worse. If you can read this article and not feel utter contempt for Iran, then you're probably a better and happier person than me. Here's the link.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060211/ap_ ... MlJVRPUCUl

Iran: U.S., Europe Should Pay for Drawings

By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer 54 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran -
Iran's hard-line president on Saturday accused the United States and Europe of being "hostages of Zionism" and said they should pay a heavy price for the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that have triggered worldwide protests.

Now, for those who've lost perspective of what's really happening. A cartoon was published in a newspaper in Denmark 3 months ago that joked that Islam is violent. The picture in question is relatively tame. Muhammed with a turban shaped like a cartoon bomb.


Denmark — where the drawings were first published four months ago — warned Danes to leave Indonesia, saying they faced a "significant and imminent danger" from an extremist group and announced it had withdrawn embassy staff from Jakarta, Iran and
Syria.

Saudi Arabia's top cleric said in a Friday sermon that it was too late for apologies and those responsible for the drawings should be put on trial and punished.

"...put on trial and punished." Put on trial? They aren't accused of breaking any law! Here's the thing. This guy's a VERY high ranking government official and he's saying that a foreigner should be put on trial and punished for breaking no law. That's not "a difference of beliefs," that's just really stupid!

Muslims in several European and Asian countries, meanwhile, kept up their protests against the caricatures, with thousands taking to the streets in London's biggest protest over the issue so far.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is deeply at odds with much of the international community over Iran's disputed nuclear program, launched an anti-Israeli campaign last fall when he said the Holocaust was a "myth" and that Israeli should be "wiped off the map."

Aside from being a complete git who states that despite the undisputable evidence to the contrary about the holocaust, this guy is openly trying to get nuclear weapons to commit genocide. How has nobody done anything about him yet? Does the phrase "clear and present danger" mean anything to anybody? His policy is Kill Them Because They're Jews! This guy couldn't BE any more dangerous!

Last week, demonstrators in the tightly controlled country attacked the Danish, French and Austrian embassies with stones and firebombs and hit the British mission with rocks.

A newspaper cartoon in Denmark said that Islam is violent so, in protest, followers of Islam are FIREBOMBING THE EMBASSY! The irony is so thick you could CHEW ON IT!

In a speech marking the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution Saturday, Ahmadinejad linked his public rage with
Israel and the cartoons satirizing Islam's most revered figure.

Linked it with Israel...IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. AT ALL. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I don't understand this. Are muslims in this part of the world incredibly stupid or is this a case of the incredibly vocal minority making the silent majority look bad?

"I ask everybody in the world not to let a group of Zionists who failed in Palestine (referring to the recent Hamas victory in Palestinian elections) to insult the prophet," he said.

"Now in the West insulting the prophet is allowed, but questioning the Holocaust is considered a crime," he said. "We ask, why do you insult the prophet? The response is that it is a matter of freedom, while in fact they (who insult the founder of Islam) are hostages of the Zionists. And the people of the U.S. and Europe should pay a heavy price for becoming hostages to Zionists."

Questioning the Holocaust is NOT considered a crime (in the US, at least. I believe that it is illegal to say that it never happened in Germany, though). Also, the US had EVEN LESS TO DO WITH THESE PICTURES THAN ISRAEL DID. To the best of my knowlege, they've never even been republished in the US (out of abject terror). Also, how the hell are you going to say that someone should pay a heavy price for becoming a hostage? That sentence is just silly.

The drawings — including one that depicts the prophet with a turban shaped like a bomb with a burning fuse — were first published in a Danish newspaper in September and recently reprinted in other European publications that said it was an issue of freedom of speech.

It IS an issue of freedom of speech. It's about the most obvious case of freedom of speech in this history of modern civilization.

Islam widely holds that representations of the prophet are banned for fear they could lead to idolatry.

Is idolatry worse than widespread rioting that has left several people dead? My personal thoughts = no!

Iran, a predominantly Shiite Muslim country, has seized on the caricatures as a means of rallying its people behind a government that is increasingly under fire from the West over its nuclear program that Tehran says is peaceful but the U.S. and others say is aimed at developing atomic weapons.

If the US says that a muslim country is trying to get atomic weapons then I believe them...oh wait, no I don't. Anybody else find the irony of how "Shiite" is pronounced phonetically, btw?

Shiite Muslims do not impose a blanket ban on representations of the prophet and some in Iran's provincial towns and villages even carry drawings said to be of Muhammad. But Tehran said the newspaper caricatures were insulting to all Muslims.

Yes. That makes sense...

Austrian Foreign Minister Ursula Plassnik said on behalf of the
European Union that Ahmadinejad's remarks were shocking and should not be silently accepted.

"These remarks stand in complete contradiction to the efforts of numerous political and religious leaders who after the events of the past few days are campaigning for a dialogue between cultures that is marked by mutual respect," Plassnik said.

Do you honestly believe that this particular culture is WORTH respecting? Honestly.

Plassnik was referring to appeals for calm made in recent days by Arab governments, Muslim clerics and newspaper columnists who fear the sometimes deadly violence has only increased anti-Islamic sentiment in the West.

Yes, deadly violence will do that...

Denmark, which has been stunned by the wave of protests over the caricatures that first appeared in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September, urged its citizens on Saturday to leave Indonesia as soon as possible, saying they were facing "a significant and imminent danger" from an unnamed extremist group.

Hey! These guys are affiliated with the country where the guy who drew that cartoon lives! KILL THEM! What? How does that make sense to ANYBODY?

The warning came hours after the ministry said it withdrew all Danish staff from Indonesia and Iran after they had received threats. It said diplomats also were pulled from Syria because they were not getting enough protection from authorities.

The Danish ambassador to Lebanon left last week after the embassy building in Beirut was burned by protesters.

AFTER?!?

Jyllands-Posten has apologized for offending Muslims but stood by its decision to print the drawings, citing the freedom of speech.

The newspaper's culture editor, Flemming Rose, who was in charge of the drawings, went on indefinite leave Thursday, but many Muslims said that would do little to quell the uproar.

The paper has denied that Rose was ordered to go leave because he suggested reprinting Holocaust drawings solicited by an Iranian newspaper, setting off a dispute earlier this week with Jyllands-Posten's editor-in-chief.

"He was not forced out," the paper's spokesman Tage Clausen told The Associated Press in Copenhagen. "He's on vacation, that's all."

Saudi Sheik Abdul Rahman al-Seedes, the imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, called on Muslims to reject apologies for the "slanderous" caricatures.

"Is there only freedom of expression when it involves insults to Muslims? With one voice ... we will reject the apology and demand a trial," he said in his sermon, which was published Saturday in the Al Riyad daily.

Uh, no... Pretty sure we rip on our own stuff too. I see stuff for and against Bush and Jesus fairly often.

Noisy but peaceful rallies also were held in Turkey, Indonesia, the Netherlands, Germany, France, Switzerland and elsewhere, although the Middle East was largely calm.

You know, the newspaper that published the cartoon as a mailing address. You really don't need to stage protests all over the whole of Europe.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono urged calm but said the caricatures were damaging attempts to blend the Muslim faith with democracy.

"Reprinting the cartoons in order to make a point about free speech is an act of senseless brinkmanship," the U.S.-educated leader wrote in a commentary that appeared Saturday in the International Herald Tribune.

"It sends a conflicting message to the Muslim community: that in a democracy it is permissible to offend Islam. This message damages efforts to prove that democracy and Islam go together."

I think this may lead to World War III. This stupid cartoon. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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Post by Professor Smooth » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:18 pm

Yaya wrote:
Rebis wrote: It's just common sesnse: you make a mess, you clean it up.
I agree. But what if they are the mess. They should clean up by ending their invasion and removing themselves from the premises. The U.S. army is not a universal mop, there to clean up 'messes' all over the world. That's why Bush has fallen so far out of favor. He makes messes, not fixes them.
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I think there's been some miscommunication. We're not cleaning up the mess that Saddam made. We're cleaning up the mess that WE made after we tried to clean up the mess Saddam made.

Current mess = USA's fault.
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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:29 pm

Yaya wrote:
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So you think the best plan of action, having ****** up the place, is to leave it for someone else to clean up?
Clean up? This is not a freakin soccer stadium, for ****s sake. This is an attempt to secure numerous oil wells, not help Iraqis. Hell, I can name other countries much worse off right now than Iraq, I don't see us going to 'clean up' their mess, do you?

Pull out and let the Iraqis decide their fate. They see the U.S. as invaders, not maintainers of peace.
Ill do what I want thanks.

Let me make this very plain and simple for you as you cant understand anything.

Do you think there will be a bigger problem or a smaller problem if we pull out now?
come on bigger or smaller, wasnt hard that one.

Why are we trainning security forces? come on, this isnt hard, work it out.

Your stupid, but then your religous so that explains it.
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Post by Yaya » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:39 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Your stupid, but then your religous so that explains it.
And you're not worth a response. Its a wonder why anyone would want to put up with you continuous insults.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:43 pm

keep on walking then.

Simple question, one word answer.

Do you think Iraq will be in less turmoil if we pull out.

If you think it will be, then explain why we are trainning security forces.

On your way out, collect a brain.
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Post by Bouncelot » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:11 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:
Yaya wrote:
Rebis wrote: It's just common sesnse: you make a mess, you clean it up.
I agree. But what if they are the mess. They should clean up by ending their invasion and removing themselves from the premises. The U.S. army is not a universal mop, there to clean up 'messes' all over the world. That's why Bush has fallen so far out of favor. He makes messes, not fixes them.
I think there's been some miscommunication. We're not cleaning up the mess that Saddam made. We're cleaning up the mess that WE made after we tried to clean up the mess Saddam made.

Current mess = USA's fault.
Hey, Saddam being in power in the first place is at least partly the USA's fault anyhow.
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Post by BB Shockwave » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:14 pm

Professor Smooth wrote: Muslims in several European and Asian countries, meanwhile, kept up their protests against the caricatures, with thousands taking to the streets in London's biggest protest over the issue so far.
Sorry to say, but that's the price of cheap asian labor... I mean, didn't any country learn from what happened (and happens now) in Germany with the Turks? Muslims will simply never integrate into western society.

And you're right, this might leads to WWIII. If it does, well, humanity indeed is stupid enough to become extinct. Hope the dolphins build a better society then we did... ;)

Btw... Yaya, Impy - Tone down a bit. Insulting each other won't lead anywhere.

-Yaya, did you ever heard/seen what's going on in Afghanistan now that US/UN forces are minimal there? Clan wars, drug trade, all the stuff that was going on before the Taliban came. Now, ask yourself what'll be in Iraq between the Siites and the Sunnites (and the Kurds thrown in for good measure) if the US forces leave? I'm not saying they are right to be there... it's just that they leave would result in an even greater carnage.

-Impy, please don't attack people based on their religion. If we learned anything from this silly cartoon histery, it's that we better leave these dogs lie... ;)
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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:15 pm

and that doesnt actually mean anything or change the current situation - it doesnt matter if pink puppies put him in power the FACT is theres a big poo'y mess in Iraq right now and if we were to leave it would be an even bigger poo'y mess.

According to just about anyone its bloody obvious there is a security problem in Iraq, and if were to leave there would be a bigger one. its not hard to understand that.

Simply, if we leave its going to get worse not better, its simple ******* logic.
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Post by Yaya » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:18 am

BB Shockwave wrote: -Yaya, did you ever heard/seen what's going on in Afghanistan now that US/UN forces are minimal there? Clan wars, drug trade, all the stuff that was going on before the Taliban came. Now, ask yourself what'll be in Iraq between the Siites and the Sunnites (and the Kurds thrown in for good measure) if the US forces leave? I'm not saying they are right to be there... it's just that they leave would result in an even greater carnage.
BB, if we really, truly were there to bring peace, I would be with you all the way on this. But by now, it should be clear to us, that we are there to secure the oil wells of Iraq, not to play policemen. Texas tea has now become the price for American and Iraqi shed blood. We must stop falling victim to the patriotic speel of propoganda that we are continuously being fed.

I appreciate what you are saying, and I too agree that helping a people in need is a noble intention. But unfortunately, no matter how noble the intentions of our military, it is not mirrored in the White House or in Halliburton. We are being played like fiddles. The Iraqis know it, and that's a major cause for dissent and death. It is not peacekeeping to them, it is invasion. How can we blame a people for seeing it this way when before their very eyes, the oil wells being are heavily secured with military forces and army bases?

Btw... Yaya, Impy - Tone down a bit. Insulting each other won't lead anywhere.
Consider me toned. I have no further intention of engaging him in any further discussion.

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Post by Dead Head » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:42 am

I've little respect for religion and virtually zero time for Islam.

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Post by Professor Smooth » Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:49 am

Dead Head wrote:I've little respect for religion and virtually zero time for Islam.
Islam, going by what's written in the book, really IS non-violent. Many of the people who follow it in many Muslim countries, however, can't read what it says so they go by what these fanatical maniacs tell them.

Religion isn't the problem. People are the problem. Religious people.

Just to reiterate this: I hate religion.
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Post by Dead Head » Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:19 am

Narrowing the discussion down to their holy book for a moment...
Professor Smooth wrote: Islam, going by what's written in the book, really IS non-violent.
It is a violent document, just like the Old Testament is a violent document.

Obviously such holy books have some good stuff like "respect your parents"-type stuff, but the Quran's also got a sh1tload of fear, violence, intolerance, sexism, contradictions and absurdities in it. Straight from Allah's infallible righteous gob, too.

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Post by Professor Smooth » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:55 pm

Something needs to be done.
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Post by Best First » Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:59 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:According to just about anyone its bloody obvious there is a security problem in Iraq, and if were to leave there would be a bigger one. its not hard to understand that.
its not difficult to state that without being a cock either. Stop addressing people in the manner you have in this topic. Consider this an official warning.

And if you are one of the people that he does address in this manner be smart enough not to respond in kind.

good thing we are hear to point out how everyone else around the world is over reacting to opinions and creeds isn't it?

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Post by Professor Smooth » Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:55 pm

As an American, there is only one thing that I have a moral and social obligation to do in this case.

Take advantage of the situation in a way that stands to benefit myself!

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Post by BB Shockwave » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:20 am

Priceless... :D

Yaya, you seem to have missed the end of my sentence. I too say and think the USA has no right to play peacekeeper in Iraq. But, they are already there. That's the current situation. They need to pull out, but not in a blink of an eye, they should clean up the mess they started and leave a stable goverment there.

Which, I know, is kind of impossible. It's no surprise most arabian countries have dictators or kings in command and only have a semi-democratic system. The region is so full of people of different races, religions and beliefs that it's neigh-impossible to rule them in a democratic way.

The irony is, soon, whether an US puppet or a rebel, but there'll be a new dictator in Iraq, as only a such person can quell this turmoil. so, they will end up having a new Saddam, of course he'll propably be an US lapdog.
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Post by Legion » Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:12 am

can't we all just get along?

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Post by Obfleur » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:04 pm

Legion wrote:can't we all just get along?
Not as long as we don't live in the Demolition Man future.

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Post by Professor Smooth » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:28 am

The culture gap is widening.
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