You ever think that maybe the problem's not with God...

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:47 am

...but with the people he was speaking to? Now, I'm a confirmed atheist. I'm sure just about everyone on this board knows this. But, I've spent a lot of time looking at my own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others. Up until recently, I'd been thinking that The Bible was nothing more than a bunch of stories put together by people over 2,000 years removed from modernity who inserted a bunch of superstitious nonsense into their lives to explain away what they couldn't do scientifically.

Make no mistake, I still believe this.

However, all this thinking on religion got me to thinking. The people that God spoke to were not very advanced in their thinking. Examples of this include believing they could build a tower to heaven, that Hell was buried underground, that it was possible to collect two of every animal (and get them all together on a boat), etc. Now, how in the blazes would these people have been equipped to deal with, much less explain, a supreme being? Perhaps the problem is that He made Himself known to people who were in no way, shape, or form equipped to deal with the the morals and principals of the Divine.

If you gave these people a desktop computer, their interpretation and uses of it would be completely different from what we, in 2006, have.

Just a random thought at two AM.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:44 am

not a bad train of thought either there smooth. for once I can follow your statements without any trepidation.

Aaron Hong · Post by **Aaron Hong** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:36 am

If God waited till today to talk to us, the Pentagon would probably probe him up the ass or something...

Post by **Denyer** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:34 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:how in the blazes would these people have been equipped to deal with, much less explain, a supreme being?

If something omnipotent wanted to communicate, it would.

That would rule out language -- communication would be lossless, not abstracted. You'd know what people thought, rather than what they said, and relay the actuality rather than interpretation.

It'd require whole other laws of physics, mind. Observation would need to be possible without affecting the thing observed.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:46 pm

Aaron Hong wrote:If God waited till today to talk to us, the Pentagon would probably probe him up the ass or something...

Maybe in Area 51 with Mulder and Scully

Yaya · Post by **Yaya** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:59 pm

Denyer wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote:how in the blazes would these people have been equipped to deal with, much less explain, a supreme being?
If something omnipotent wanted to communicate, it would.

Yes, if one believes God to be omnipotent, He would have been able to get His point across crystal clear without even spoken words.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:14 pm

Denyer wrote:It'd require whole other laws of physics, mind. Observation would need to be possible without affecting the thing observed.

I quite like the implication here; that maybe an omnipotent being did try and communicate with the Israelites or whoever, but because their mind couldn't comprehend it, this being was reshaped into a petty and vengeful god to fit their expectations. Over the years as public opinion of God has changed it has affected its existence so now God is conflicted and rather vague in definition.

Of course, it could be that God doesn't exist outside of people's heads and so takes whatever form they want it to.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:21 pm

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product ... ductid=577
pretty much says it all right there.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:41 pm

Yaya wrote:
Denyer wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote:how in the blazes would these people have been equipped to deal with, much less explain, a supreme being?
If something omnipotent wanted to communicate, it would.
Yes, if one believes God to be omnipotent, He would have been able to get His point across crystal clear without even spoken words.

Like Giles in Hush.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:44 pm

If I belived in god, I wouldnt belive in religon. they are two different things. one is a being, one is what he supposedly said,
and at that point we introduce human twats.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:18 pm

But that's just the point, every person who thought he was sent by God or heard his message even unvillingly gathers followers who will start a religion as soon as the prophet dies. Or even as he lives.

Mohammed was the most clever one as he started his own religion while he lived and profited from it (he had, what, 400 wives?

)

So if God exists and he speaks to you or anyone, chances are high there'll be soon another religion coming. Because, people would only belive in God if he would speak to everyone at the same time... it'd be prime time he did that, though.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:41 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:Mohammed was the most clever one as he started his own religion while he lived and profited from it (he had, what, 400 wives? )

Actually, it was only about 15, though Islam caps it for everyone else at four wives.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:46 pm

god isnt the problem its the religon that perverts it in thier favour. religon is the evil.
Not hard to work out really.

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