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Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:41 pm

The only place u can read what a cross section of supporters think are on the forums (like 606 and the united forum), and you will find a huge majority like the current players.

If there was a pop on the most disliked player I expect it would be Rio due to his contract negotiations.
Personnaly, I dont have a problem with Ronaldo, sure he acts like a child some days, but then hes 20, so im not to fussed and hes had hard season what with dad dying and being acused of rape.
Apart from them two I like the rest - But in all honesty I can go round every premm team picking out ppl I dont like, im only human.

As United are going to 'buy' the title back, is it safe to say Chelski bought the title?

Good old United bashing, i guess thats what they are there for

Post by **Best First** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:40 pm

i thought that was what their oversensetive fans were there for?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:42 pm

Nah were here for life's jelous types

Post by **Best First** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:45 pm

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:30 am

Impactor returns 2.0
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:41:pm Post subject:

As United are going to 'buy' the title back, is it safe to say Chelski bought the title?

Thats exactly what i'm saying. Rio however is a brilliant player, on his day, but he has been so lazy of late, pay all footballers £100 a week and give them a bonus of £50,000 everytime they win and then see how much more passion the game is played with!

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:53 am

hes been widely cited as back to his best recently tho, his goal line clearence and winner against Liverpool? - cant ask more really.

Rios problem is he lacks concentration, it might not happen for 10 games but usually does at some point.

Personaly id like to see him more forward as hes got good feet and then let new boy Vidic controll the line.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:03 pm

Good game today, well taken goal from Crouch. For such a big fella he doesn't score many with his head!

Felt a bit sorry for Alan Smith though. At least this means we can take a proper midfielder to the World Cup in his place. I nominate Scott Parker but I expect some less deserving player will go.

Post by **snarl** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:14 am

tbh, the game was ***** as far as the neautral went. utter *****. Utd's ploy of punting it onto Hyppia's head was always asking for trouble, they should have maybe tried to play football...

Didn't really take much notice of Smith's injury att he mtime. looking at it now, he's ******. It;s bloody harsh, already people are saying he'll never play again, and that is rough for the guy. I dont really rate him as a player, but he was passionate about the game. Shame for him.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:40 pm

snarl wrote:tbh, the game was ***** as far as the neautral went.

i totally disagree, i really enjoyed it. Pool played well in midfield but never looked entirely safe so it mainatined my interest all the way through.

Shame about Smith - good crfowd reaction when he went off mind.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:37 pm

good crowd reaction?

Liverpool suporters should be ashamed of themselves, they goaded smith as he went off and took the piss out of him. - for me that was worse then losing.

Put into perspective there are more Utd - pool games to come every year, but Smith might not play again, and thats horrible.

Plus side, I thought the Pool players and Pool coaching staff should be comeneded, they all tried to help.

Overall, Pool were better in midfield, but then I know our mid is lacking untill we get our two new mids, so Pool deserved the win as they bossed us in midfield and we couldnt penetrate in the first half at all.
2nd half we looked better but were still lacking and never really gave our strikers the chance to do somthing.

thought the match was exciting.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:57 pm

all i saw (and heard) on TV was the majority of the crowd aplauding once it was apparent how serious it was.

given Gary Neville's recent behaviour i don't think Man U can have many complaints about the Liverpool fans either.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:19 pm

I see, so thats makes it ok then.gotcha

A: "im cheering because we scored"

B: "im cheering because hes in pain!"

A: common action at football games.

B: common action at gladitorial areans.

still 2 wrongs make a right I guess.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:09 pm

All I ever heard was Alan Smith being applauded off the pitch.

This is a message posted by the Administrator of the official LFC message board.

'Alan Smith has today spoken to liverpoolfc.tv and asked us to pass on a message of thanks to the club doctor, players - in particular Djibril Cisse - and the SUPPORTERS - for the kind gesture of clapping him off the pitch as he was stretchered off.

If you would like to leave a message for him, post it here and a print out of this thread will be passed on to Alan in hospital.'

I guarantee if it was Gerrard being stretchered off at Old Trafford, then he would not have had the same good reaction from the Man U supporters that Smith did from the Liverpool fans.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:33 pm

How so, I thought Utd fans were glory supporters and thus dont care?

Logically thinking about it and all?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:43 pm

edit -

I understand Smith said thank you.

But even the BBC in the post match Interview asked Gary N what he thought of the pool fans who boooed, it did happened.

Smith was polite.

I didnt think it was a nice thing to do my self - I know a large majority of fans did appluad, but the was quite a few who mocked. and to be honest. I dont care whos playing. Its stupid.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:56 pm

Not disgareeing with you at all, it was, however, a minority of people that did mock Smith.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:02 pm

Yes that for me was worse then loosing, and haven spoken to a few pool supporters, all I did speak to were also distressed for Smith. I thought Raffa was class after the game for what he said.

Not taken anything away from Pools win, they outclassed united in the midfield, they were just too strong for giggs and fletch, Sissko I felt had a blinder of a game alongside Gerrard.

Continues to highlight our lack of midfield strength, and smith shows our lack of numbers.

roll on next year.

hope you beat Chelski.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:11 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I see

apparently not.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:32 pm

Best First wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I see
apparently not.

Likewise

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:19 am

Although it was disgusting behaviour, you must commend the fact liverpool supporters came up with such a good song on the spot,

(to the tune of Hey Baby)

Jo.....................hn arne riise (oo ah)

I wanna kno.........w how you broke smiths leg!

Should work for stock, aitkin and waterman!
Seriously, V. disapointting tho, because perhaps he's not the best player ever, but he is one of the most passionate footballers I've ever seen play. (good news though is that apparently not as bad as first feared, and will just need good recovery time)

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:35 am

Totti broke his foot.
I laughed and felt all warm inside.
Mmmm...

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:55 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Best First wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I see
apparently not.
Likewise

you seem to suggest they were cheering in a bad way - it was an ovation, see?

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:33 am

Impactor returns 2.0
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:02:pm Post subject:
Yes that for me was worse then loosing, and haven spoken to a few pool supporters, all I did speak to were also distressed for Smith. I thought Raffa was class after the game for what he said.

Not taken anything away from Pools win, they outclassed united in the midfield, they were just too strong for giggs and fletch, Sissko I felt had a blinder of a game alongside Gerrard.

Continues to highlight our lack of midfield strength, and smith shows our lack of numbers.

roll on next year.

Not wanting to sound argumentative, but Impy are you sure that next year will be utd's? Even if they bought 2 new midfielders, I think that it will probably take another season before man utd are firing on all cylinders again, if they ever do. Liverpool had a fluke season last season, new players etc, but it's this season where the quality is starting to come to fruition.

From past experiences as well, would manchester utd be able to attract the top, top players like they used to? Ronaldinho being a good example. He knew Barcelona were better than Man Utd at the time and had more prospects of futrue success. Robben should be at Man Utd, but chelseas money came along, and whereas in the past Man Utd would have done anything to bring the quality players in it just didn't happen. Say what you want about Robben, but if he was playing for Man utd they would have wrapped up a couple more titles.

In fact the best thing to happen to Man Utd in years is Glazers takeover, with him in charge there is more chance mn utd can go buy big, because I don't think the PLC would have sanctioned the money that fergie needs to spend to get back into pole position. £30 m wasted on Veron, over the odds paid for Rio, reports suggested they could have beaten down the price from leeds but didn't, over the odds on Rooney, which I think may have been good business, but they could have got him for less because there was nowhere else he was gonna move to. He wanted Man U. Plus all the cash wasted on kleberson, bellion, forlan, Djemb-Djemba, the cost and compensation for the new roy keane Liam Miller (now on loan to leeds). Mant utd need to splash big and quick.

The only problem is, if they buy a good spanish player, will he transfer over to the prem well? Luque, and Reyes prove not always a success. Year after year shows that eastern europeans don't really settle in the prem. Italians don't like the pace of the prem (or bolton roughing them up!) The thing is wo could fergie buy to get Man u out of the hole they are currently digging themselves into?

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:40 am

Fergie needs to make way for someone else IMO.

even if he starst to rebuild effectively he is unliley to be there for more than 2 years which emans any restructuring will be interupted, they should get a new man in to start fixing things their own way.

Maclaren for example...

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:50 am

Best First
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:40:am Post subject:
Fergie needs to make way for someone else IMO.

even if he starst to rebuild effectively he is unliley to be there for more than 2 years which emans any restructuring will be interupted, they should get a new man in to start fixing things their own way.

Maclaren for example...

Well besty I nominate, a joint managership of maclaren, o'leary, then gareth southgate could fulfil his dream of playing for utd, take DJemba-djemba back, sign erik Bakke, take baros of our hands, and there you go Man utd rebuilt in under 30 secs.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:54 am

divebomb wrote:The thing is wo could fergie buy to get Man u out of the hole they are currently digging themselves into?

One of the midfielders I think United are after is Michael Ballack, who will leave Bayern Munich for free this summer. Maybe I don't know that much about international football, but as far as I am concerned that guy is gold, one of the best there currently is on his position. If he keeps his current form (which he basically never loses) and if he ends up in United, they will get serious reinforcement. And I don't think somebody from Bundesliga will have hard time to adjust to Premierleague.

divebomb · Post by **divebomb** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:58 am

Ozz
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:54:am Post subject:
divebomb wrote:
The thing is wo could fergie buy to get Man u out of the hole they are currently digging themselves into?

One of the midfielders I think United are after is Michael Ballack, who will leave Bayern Munich for free this summer. Maybe I don't know that much about international football, but as far as I am concerned that guy is gold, one of the best there currently is on his position. If he keeps his current form (which he basically never loses) and if he ends up in United, they will get serious reinforcement. And I don't think somebody from Bundesliga will have hard time to adjust to Premierleague.

But then again, Real Madrid have expressed interest, and Ballacks agent has said he would favour a move to spain. But if he does end up playing for man utd, it would be the best thing to happen to the club in years. But then again at 30, would it really be a long term solution?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:23 am

Dexter Blackstock should go to the World Cup as the #2 goalie.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:43 pm

divebomb wrote:
Ozz
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:54:am Post subject:
divebomb wrote:
The thing is wo could fergie buy to get Man u out of the hole they are currently digging themselves into?

One of the midfielders I think United are after is Michael Ballack, who will leave Bayern Munich for free this summer. Maybe I don't know that much about international football, but as far as I am concerned that guy is gold, one of the best there currently is on his position. If he keeps his current form (which he basically never loses) and if he ends up in United, they will get serious reinforcement. And I don't think somebody from Bundesliga will have hard time to adjust to Premierleague.
But then again, Real Madrid have expressed interest, and Ballacks agent has said he would favour a move to spain. But if he does end up playing for man utd, it would be the best thing to happen to the club in years. But then again at 30, would it really be a long term solution?

yeah, i think general udnerstnding is that he is not Utd bound anymore, there was a kerfuffle over this before xmas.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:48 pm

Best First wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Best First wrote: apparently not.
Likewise
you seem to suggest they were cheering in a bad way - it was an ovation, see?

No.

Back to united.

United need a couple of decent mids, thats it. its be the same story this season and last, the rest of the squad is overflowing with tallent.
Tallent which is good enough, even with huge injury list for most of the season to keep us in 2nd place.
the squad is fine it just needs two bed-rocks in the engine room.
job done.

From past experiences as well, would manchester utd be able to attract the top, top players like they used to? Ronaldinho being a good example. He knew Barcelona were better than Man Utd at the time and had more prospects of futrue success.

Not at all.
Actually, Peter Kenyon didnt release the extra 1mill required. 2 months later Kenyon was at Chelski, its widely known he scuppered the deal.
United recovered buy buying Rooney, who is younger.

Robben should be at Man Utd, but chelseas money came along, and whereas in the past Man Utd would have done anything to bring the quality players in it just didn't happen. Say what you want about Robben, but if he was playing for Man utd they would have wrapped up a couple more titles.

Ill say that he was injured all last season, so thats makes no sense, how could have he helped united to a title when he wasnt playing?
United recovered by buying Ronaldo, who is younger.

trend....

In fact the best thing to happen to Man Utd in years is Glazers takeover, with him in charge there is more chance mn utd can go buy big, because I don't think the PLC would have sanctioned the money that fergie needs to spend to get back into pole position.

But sanctioned 30 mill for Rooney, as you go on tostate in a few lines
Doesnt add up does it?

£30 m wasted on Veron

25 actually But sold for 18mill so you do the maths.
He just didnt work after season 1, no big loss.

over the odds paid for Rio, reports suggested they could have beaten down the price from leeds but didn't

No they didnt. Rio is a good player.

over the odds on Rooney, which I think may have been good business, but they could have got him for less because there was nowhere else he was gonna move to. He wanted Man U.

That would be cool, but its Everton who sold Rooney, not Rooney.
And id pay 40 mill for him anyhows. so its irrelvant.

Plus all the cash wasted on kleberson, bellion, forlan, Djemb-Djemba, the cost and compensation for the new roy keane Liam Miller (now on loan to leeds).

Every teams buys players that dont work all the time. look at Arsenal.
for every player United didnt have a success with they have had huge success with others.
ill continue this later

But then again, Real Madrid have expressed interest, and Ballacks agent has said he would favour a move to spain. But if he does end up playing for man utd, it would be the best thing to happen to the club in years.

im not fussed about Ballack, the players in interest have already been selected, and are on thier way to OT, they had to wait a few season to get them supposedly.

as for it being the best thing, to happen. id argue that Rooney is the best thing in recent years.

Its a bad season for United sure, thats life, but we will be great again soon, we have the firepower to sink the best, createive young talent in midfield, great defenders when fit and young talent there too.

all we lack is to midfielders who apparently are on there way. so im not fussed. I think thats the generall feeling in football to be honest.

As for Fergie, I still want him there, so do many other supporters. for every duff player u might list that he bought in ill name great players.
For every Dejmba Dejmba, or some other player that didnt make the grade we have van, or Rooney, or ronaldo, or Rio, or Henzie, rossi, pique, etc...

im not going to justify United any more, I always seem to have to, I guess united are just more interesting then other clubs...