If he's here, who's running hell?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:19 pm

if im god I could be here 100% of the time and everywhere else aswell at the same time, acording to the bible and all...

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:45 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:if im god I could be here 100% of the time and everywhere else aswell at the same time, acording to the bible and all...

Oh!

You are that god?

I thought you were Primus

Well in the other case you are very ambituous God and Satan at the same time?

You must decide one!

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:52 pm

why, why not all?

why couldn't they be the same being?

how is that any more or less believeable a concept?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:40 pm

Best First wrote:why, why not all?

why couldn't they be the same being?

how is that any more or less believeable a concept?

I would like to take this opportunity to wish all Hindus a very prosperous Shivaratri, the festival in honour of Shiva, the god who is both creator and destroyer, ultimate good and ultimate evil, on the 26th Feb.

Post by **Denyer** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:20 pm

Best First wrote:how is that any more or less believeable a concept?

People like to sidestep the notion of their god having created all evil.

Thankfully we have Monty Python...

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:59 pm

Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:why, why not all?

why couldn't they be the same being?

how is that any more or less believeable a concept?
I would like to take this opportunity to wish all Hindus a very prosperous Shivaratri, the festival in honour of Shiva, the god who is both creator and destroyer, ultimate good and ultimate evil, on the 26th Feb.

Although Shiva is destroyer (and creator in a much less amount). Vishnu is the ultimate good. He is the one who enters in the universe as the fountain of all existance. The god of perdurance. He balances good by defeating the evil with "his mace". His 10 reencarnations as avatars are the guardians of good who will impede evil triumph.

Shiva is the god of destruction opposed to Vishnu. Counterbalances the universe and who is in favor of the asuras. Lives in Kailash. His female side is Parvati

But note that "evil" and "good" in ancient cultures are not like our western conceptualizations.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:28 pm

Denyer wrote:
Best First wrote:how is that any more or less believeable a concept?
People like to sidestep the notion of their god having created all evil.

no kidding.

I am all powerfull.

I have created you and know you from the inside out.

Oh how suprising, you ate the apple.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:10 pm

How do believers reconcile the idea of God with, say, the reality of something like conjoined twins? Does God stick them together for a laugh, or what?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:27 pm

The Last Autobot wrote:
Rebis wrote:
Best First wrote:why, why not all?

why couldn't they be the same being?

how is that any more or less believeable a concept?
I would like to take this opportunity to wish all Hindus a very prosperous Shivaratri, the festival in honour of Shiva, the god who is both creator and destroyer, ultimate good and ultimate evil, on the 26th Feb.
Although Shiva is destroyer (and creator in a much less amount). Vishnu is the ultimate good. He is the one who enters in the universe as the fountain of all existance. The god of perdurance. He balances good by defeating the evil with "his mace". His 10 reencarnations as avatars are the guardians of good who will impede evil triumph.

Shiva is the god of destruction opposed to Vishnu. Counterbalances the universe and who is in favor of the asuras. Lives in Kailash. His female side is Parvati

But note that "evil" and "good" in ancient cultures are not like our western conceptualizations.

On the contrary, Hindu deities represent various perceptions of one God. Shiva and Vishnu are, in the end, aspects of the supreme god, Brahma. Shiva being the guise for the Destroyer, Vishnu the guise of Preserver, with Saguna Brahman being the Creator.

The Last Autobot · Post by **The Last Autobot** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:15 am

Rebis wrote:
The Last Autobot wrote:
Rebis wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to wish all Hindus a very prosperous Shivaratri, the festival in honour of Shiva, the god who is both creator and destroyer, ultimate good and ultimate evil, on the 26th Feb.
Although Shiva is destroyer (and creator in a much less amount). Vishnu is the ultimate good. He is the one who enters in the universe as the fountain of all existance. The god of perdurance. He balances good by defeating the evil with "his mace". His 10 reencarnations as avatars are the guardians of good who will impede evil triumph.

Shiva is the god of destruction opposed to Vishnu. Counterbalances the universe and who is in favor of the asuras. Lives in Kailash. His female side is Parvati

But note that "evil" and "good" in ancient cultures are not like our western conceptualizations.
On the contrary, Hindu deities represent various perceptions of one God. Shiva and Vishnu are, in the end, aspects of the supreme god, Brahma. Shiva being the guise for the Destroyer, Vishnu the guise of Preserver, with Saguna Brahman being the Creator.

Hindu gods proceed from Brahman not Brahma. Brahman is the Supreme Cosmic Spirit who is eternal, genderless, omnipotent and omniscient. Is the universe.

The Trimurti are Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in that order of importance. Each hindu god has a lot of names and different abbilities and deeds. Although they allegedly proceed from the universal egg (according to one of the myths) they are different indivuduals so to speak. At the end they form part of Brahman but act independently.